Genetta RIP ???
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FredericRobinson said:
No point them throwing good money after bad the way they've treated by the ACO
Getting shafted by the FIA/ACO does seem to be a common reward for small people involved in endurance racing. Strakka with their Dome, Rebellion and Ginetta all with years of commitment to the sport and as soon as they spend the big money left with nowhere to race.Mean time if you're big and loud like A-M they will bend over backwards to write the rule book you want...only for you to turn around and go "Actually, we've changed our minds and aren't coming out to play", leaving us with a 2021 grid of what, 2 Toyotas, 2 Glickenhaus, and maybe a ByKolles - so I predict at least one LMP2 on the overall podium next year.
FredericRobinson said:
No point them throwing good money after bad the way they've treated by the ACO
I think the ACO have been very accommodating to the WEC entry when you look back at the potential the team had for fines due to missed races etc. Saying that, they were taken 'dry and with vigour' over the LMP3 chassis allocations, so I'd agree that they were poorly treated there. They learnt the hard way that it never pays to publically bad mouth a favoured French supplier.
Red Firecracker said:
I think the ACO have been very accommodating to the WEC entry when you look back at the potential the team had for fines due to missed races etc.
Saying that, they were taken 'dry and with vigour' over the LMP3 chassis allocations, so I'd agree that they were poorly treated there. They learnt the hard way that it never pays to publically bad mouth a favoured French supplier.
Their LMP 3's were not a stunning success.... incl a major falling out with Oreca which produces the engines for the class.... was there not something that they wouldn't supply engines for the P3 or was it the other way around???Saying that, they were taken 'dry and with vigour' over the LMP3 chassis allocations, so I'd agree that they were poorly treated there. They learnt the hard way that it never pays to publically bad mouth a favoured French supplier.
Great Dane said:
Their LMP 3's were not a stunning success.... incl a major falling out with Oreca which produces the engines for the class.... was there not something that they wouldn't supply engines for the P3 or was it the other way around???
I'd say their LMP3s were a stunning success that first season, they were the only manufacturer to get them to the grid. That Ligier took the the time to look at the Ginetta and then improve on it is just business, they decided their business model would work better by waiting and assessing.Ginetta and Oreca had a falling out over the powertrain and then that falling out became public with criticism of the favoured French supplier. Never a good move.
And a deal was done with the ACO over the fines Manor accrued so that they could run again. I'd also contend that the ACO have been very very fair over the team entry being LNT, meaning that they do not need to run Hybrid as a true factory entrant. Although what is happening to any fines accrued by LNT for no shows is unknown.
All this is aside the point though, it is very sad that yet another entry (or two) departs the WEC, no matter what the category. I truly worry for it.
I must say though, if I was contemplating the utterly suicidal move of a privateer LMP1 programme for 2021, I'd be on the phone to BR Engineering. That is an utterly glorious chassis, beautifully finished.
All this is aside the point though, it is very sad that yet another entry (or two) departs the WEC, no matter what the category. I truly worry for it.
I must say though, if I was contemplating the utterly suicidal move of a privateer LMP1 programme for 2021, I'd be on the phone to BR Engineering. That is an utterly glorious chassis, beautifully finished.
Edited by Red Firecracker on Tuesday 21st July 19:05
There were two BR01s out in the Masters Endurance Legends at Donington last weekend, (the P2s, not the P1s), an odd race given that there were 15 classes between age and car type and 8 cars in the 1st race and 7 in the 2nd.
Where Ginetta (and anyone else who might have been interested) have been treated really badly is in the awarding of P2 rights being made without tender for the next 10 years
Where Ginetta (and anyone else who might have been interested) have been treated really badly is in the awarding of P2 rights being made without tender for the next 10 years
//j17 said:
Mean time if you're big and loud like A-M they will bend over backwards to write the rule book you want...only for you to turn around and go "Actually, we've changed our minds and aren't coming out to play", leaving us with a 2021 grid of what, 2 Toyotas, 2 Glickenhaus, and maybe a ByKolles - so I predict at least one LMP2 on the overall podium next year.
That's one way of looking at it... Another way to look at it is that AM made it clear that if they invested in bringing the Valkyrie on-track that it would have to be to compete for overall honours. Then the FIA/ACO decided to allow cut-price prototypes alongside them...
Or another way to look at it is that AM simply ran out of cash.
DMN said:
He does seem to like moving onto his next toy.
And there was a major falling out with Bill Gibson over Zytek but I don't really know who was the baddie there... money were shifted around, I heardAnd LT business interests - nursing homes in the UK have also been in the spotlight over Covid... not his specifically but the whole sector....as well as funding from councils being squeezed for care homes with demands and costs on the up....
Great Dane said:
DMN said:
He does seem to like moving onto his next toy.
And there was a major falling out with Bill Gibson over Zytek but I don't really know who was the baddie there... money were shifted around, I heardAnd LT business interests - nursing homes in the UK have also been in the spotlight over Covid... not his specifically but the whole sector....as well as funding from councils being squeezed for care homes with demands and costs on the up....
It’s a real tough one, it must cost a fortune to run in the series and WEC has never really been Ginettas playing field for customer cars. To stretch into that arena you need to be winning and have a really good funding to so that it show cares your brand as a manufacturer. All the adverse press hasn’t been good so you can understand why he reverts to the companies sweet spot
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