For people with a problem with LM & alleged Pikeys

[Horse_Apple]

Page & Moy has been responsible for opening up Le Mans to the wide British audience and it is early days in this new area.

What you will see over time is financial and class based Apartheid, it is a natural effect which happens in every aspect of life.

You only have to look at our booze culture to see that we have drinking establishements to satisfy and keep every single type of Briton happy. Praise the Lord, for He is great.

A Kings Road 'Geoff' wouldn't drink in a Kilburn 'Navvies' pub and vice versa. As a result both parties are happy.

I am sure that a formal and mass request by PistonHeaders for a select campsite, costing more, with better facilities and for sports cars and guests only would solve all problems.

It is something that will happen over time but why not, if you feel so strongly about it, start the ball rolling early.

I'm sure every single one of you would love the idea of having your own campsite for your own type of people.

You already have that to a little extent with the difference between Blue and say Houx Annexe but there would be no harm in exagerating the difference by creating an 'enthusiasts' site for club members only.

Do it for the sake of Le Mans.

I stopped going due to monkies shouting 'Spin it' and people razzing cars dangerously around pedestrians and campers and have found a better event where only Europeans who are true enthusiasts turn up. But offer me a campsite for car club members only and all the amicable banter and jokes that would be played between the clubs, along with that competitive spirit and I'd be back like a shot.

Speak to the owner's clubs and then speak in voice to Page & Moy and it will be done.

[furtive]

These campsites exist already. The municipal campsites away from the circuit have all the things you are asking for.

I stayed at Ecommoy and it was great. Quiet, large plots, good facilities, nice people, etc, etc.

[mattsankey]

Very true!

us at Larry Le Mans can get a wee bit drunk, but our camp site is well away from the riff raff. we have fully plumbed Bathroom facilities and a full on Kitchen team cooking us Breakfast and Dinner - a bit more pricey but no Burberry to be seen for miles!!!!

[Bobo W]

Pray tell - what is the difference between Blue and say Houx Annexe ?

[DustyC]

Bobo W said:

Pray tell - what is the difference between Blue and say Houx Annexe ?

I was wondering the same myself!

There is also the Marque Park that only admits certain cars (at a price).

[Horse_Apple]

Bobo W said:

Pray tell - what is the difference between Blue and say Houx Annexe ?

Possibly nothing nowadays but going back a few years it was the road alongside Bleu that attracted the skinheads shouting at cars and chucking beer into them and Bleu had no proper ablutions. Used to be a horrible little van that filled with 1's & 2's by Friday evening and wasn't emptied or cleaned at all.

The one excellent thing about Bleu used to be the Caterham Car Club's big marquee and very generous hospitality.

Meanwhile, at Haux, it seemed to be all interesting cars and more chilled people.

Possibly that has all changed.

Times a-change and there isn't any point complaining. Either change it for the better or take the easy way out like me and find a different event for the summer raz.

Does sound like the Marque Park is the answer. Wonder if that is the large cordoned off area with Annexe that appeared about 3/4 yrs ago?

As for P&M, without them selling the blocks of tickets we wouldn't have had the campsites upgraded to have lighting, running water, proper ablutions, bins, proper roads. But other than that: 'What have the Romans ever done for us?'


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>> Edited by Horse_Apple on Wednesday 16th June 13:51

[DustyC]

Horse_Apple said:

Does sound like the Marque Park is the answer. Wonder if that is the large cordoned off area with Annexe that appeared about 3/4 yrs ago?

All your answers are HERE

[Horse_Apple]

Thanks Dusty.

Amusing reading some of the exclusions.

I have a feeling that everyone in that park would be 'Considerably richer than thow'.

Not my idea of fun at all.

Same idea for all car club members would be much much better. Just normal players from all walks of life with a love and respect for interesting cars and if lucky ownership to boot.

I suspect you get all of that at the classic Le Mans so maybee that is the answer.

[ehasler]

furtive said:

These campsites exist already. The municipal campsites away from the circuit have all the things you are asking for. I stayed at Ecommoy and it was great. Quiet, large plots, good facilities, nice people, etc, etc.

How do you find out about these campsites? Are they all booked through tour organisers, or do you go direct to the campsite owners?

[DustyC]

Ed, you have mail.

[GCerbera]

Horse_Apple said:

Page & Moy has been responsible for opening up Le Mans to the wide British audience and it is early days in this new area.

Am I missing something here?
I travelled with Page & Moy back in the 80's, so it's hardly new?


I also used them as they drove a coach through the night Friday, got me to the race
rested (as much as a coach allows) and left right after the event ready to be at
my desk Monday morning to keep the boss happy...back when I had a boss!

Nothing wrong in that?

[MikeE]

I've got to say I stayed on Houx Annex and didn't see any Chav on there at all - in fact a fun time seemed to be had by all

[ian d]

horse apple: i thought that this years LM was pretty low on older classic cars. i think it is due to the classic race being only next month. which i think is too close to the main race. in future i will probably start going to LM & classic LM alternate years.

one thing i did notice this year was people washing their cars before setting off home. previously i thought it was an "unwritten rule" to turn up at LM with a beautiful machine, sports or classic, then take it home covered in dust and crap that and LOOKING like it had DONE Le Mans.

ps, mine is now proudly sitting in the garage with 1" of LM dust all over it having done 2000 miles.

[plasticman]

I had tickets for blue and houx . I ended up staying at blue , it had very clean toilets and did not turn into a dustbowl as houx did . The lotus seven bunch laid on some great entertainment for a small fee that went to charity , Dave

[DustyC]

ian d said:

one thing i did notice this year was people washing their cars before setting off home. previously i thought it was an "unwritten rule" to turn up at LM with a beautiful machine, sports or classic, then take it home covered in dust and crap that and LOOKING like it had DONE Le Mans.

I like that rule and still comply to it what ever car i take

(it looks a bit buck toothed with that number plate hiding though!)

[Horse_Apple]

GCerbera said:

Horse_Apple said: Page & Moy has been responsible for opening up Le Mans to the wide British audience and it is early days in this new area. Am I missing something here? I travelled with Page & Moy back in the 80's, so it's hardly new? I also used them as they drove a coach through the night Friday, got me to the race rested (as much as a coach allows) and left right after the event ready to be at my desk Monday morning to keep the boss happy...back when I had a boss! Nothing wrong in that?

Hi,

True, but you used to book Le Mans by phoning the circuit and getting your campsite and entrance that way. Then about 4/5 yrs ago that stopped as everything had been pre-bought by tour operators of which P&M were the largest. These operators then started marketing in earnest in all the car mags including some which you wouldn't want to be associated with if you are a PH or LM snob ()

Washing car a definate no. Shocking behaviour.

[raceboy]

Horse_Apple said:

Washing car a definate no. Shocking behaviour.

I've always washed mine after the 1st year we went, the beemer got peppered with dead bugs on the way down, they cooked on over the weekend, and were joined by a few more on the way home, when I tried washing them off when I got home they wouldn't budge, they ended up taking the top layer of laquer off the paint work with them
didn't matter in the end as shortly afterwards I bounced the car off Castle Combe tyre wall and it needed a complete respray

[furtive]

ehasler said:

furtive said: These campsites exist already. The municipal campsites away from the circuit have all the things you are asking for. I stayed at Ecommoy and it was great. Quiet, large plots, good facilities, nice people, etc, etc. How do you find out about these campsites? Are they all booked through tour organisers, or do you go direct to the campsite owners?

I booked through JustTickets this year, but will be booking direct with the campsite next year. The JustTickets website has them listed and if you call them they will tell you all about them. You can then either book through them or go direct (a google search should find the contact numbers for the sites)

[DanH]

If someone wants to know a supplier of nicer camp sites without a chav element, a croiscant type breakfast included and nicer cars then pm me and I'll give you a url. Don't want to post it here in case it gets too popular and suffers as a result

There was an F40 at one of these sites this year

[marc]

If you were referring to the F40 on Camping Bleu, he just came up to visit and later went back to the villa!

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