2024 Le Mans race thread

2024 Le Mans race thread

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egomeister

6,781 posts

266 months

Saturday 15th June
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732NM said:
freedman said:
Great job from Jota

Car seemingly ran well in warm up to

Dumb error from De Vries, really poor mistake
The Lexus driver was the dumbest there. 80% Lexus 20% Toyota IMHO
Not quite sure I'd put the blame that extreme, maybe 60/40 for me. I have no idea what the Lexus was up to - braking on the apex of a corner is just asking for trouble.

airbusA346

1,135 posts

156 months

Saturday 15th June
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egomeister said:
Not quite sure I'd put the blame that extreme, maybe 60/40 for me. I have no idea what the Lexus was up to - braking on the apex of a corner is just asking for trouble.
Don't forget it is the reasonability of the higher class car drivers to pass safely.

Sandpit Steve

10,787 posts

77 months

Saturday 15th June
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airbusA346 said:
egomeister said:
Not quite sure I'd put the blame that extreme, maybe 60/40 for me. I have no idea what the Lexus was up to - braking on the apex of a corner is just asking for trouble.
Don't forget it is the reasonability of the higher class car drivers to pass safely.
Indeed, he’s about to be spending several hours looking at cars that appear to be going unreasonably slowly, and working out how to get past them safely. It’s one of the key skills of events where multiple classes of car compete on the same track. If he can’t do that, he really shouldn’t be there.

732NM

5,432 posts

18 months

Saturday 15th June
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airbusA346 said:
Don't forget it is the reasonability of the higher class car drivers to pass safely.
When someone hits the brakes in a place that never happens, it's a stupid thing to do without first checking the mirrors to see no one is behind you.
Racing relies on people driving in a predictable way, even Ant Davidson said he would likely have been caught out by that.

Nick looking down to make a change was just an unlucky coincidence, he was doing that in a place where you would never expect the driver in front to hit the brakes.

You guys are being very harsh on Nick there, many drivers would have hit the Lexus in the same circumstances.

VladD

7,953 posts

268 months

Saturday 15th June
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TCEvo said:
VladD said:
It has really clouded over and I've just felt a couple of rain drops.
Whereabouts at the circuit are you?

Track declared wet.
Grandstand 17, almost opposite the big screen at the end of the pit lane.

airbusA346

1,135 posts

156 months

Saturday 15th June
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732NM said:
When someone hits the brakes in a place that never happens, it's a stupid thing to do without first checking the mirrors to see no one is behind you.
Racing relies on people driving in a predictable way, even Ant Davidson said he would likely have been caught out by that.

Nick looking down to make a change was just an unlucky coincidence, he was doing that in a place where you would never expect the driver in front to hit the brakes.

You guys are being very harsh on Nick there, many drivers would have hit the Lexus in the same circumstances.
We'll see what the stewards say, but in my opinion that is mainly De Vries fault.

moffspeed

2,785 posts

210 months

Saturday 15th June
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732NM said:
When someone hits the brakes in a place that never happens, it's a stupid thing to do without first checking the mirrors to see no one is behind you.
Racing relies on people driving in a predictable way, even Ant Davidson said he would likely have been caught out by that.

Nick looking down to make a change was just an unlucky coincidence, he was doing that in a place where you would never expect the driver in front to hit the brakes.

You guys are being very harsh on Nick there, many drivers would have hit the Lexus in the same circumstances.
Yes, Ant does know about being caught out like that…





VladD

7,953 posts

268 months

Saturday 15th June
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airbusA346 said:
732NM said:
When someone hits the brakes in a place that never happens, it's a stupid thing to do without first checking the mirrors to see no one is behind you.
Racing relies on people driving in a predictable way, even Ant Davidson said he would likely have been caught out by that.

Nick looking down to make a change was just an unlucky coincidence, he was doing that in a place where you would never expect the driver in front to hit the brakes.

You guys are being very harsh on Nick there, many drivers would have hit the Lexus in the same circumstances.
We'll see what the stewards say, but in my opinion that is mainly De Vries fault.
Mostly Lexus for me. If you're going to back off to leave a gap, do it on a straight, not in a corner.

732NM

5,432 posts

18 months

Saturday 15th June
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moffspeed said:
Yes, Ant does know about being caught out like that…




Not even close to the same type of crash.

airbusA346

1,135 posts

156 months

Saturday 15th June
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First stewards decision against De Vries... warning for crossing the white line at pit entry.

Sandpit Steve

10,787 posts

77 months

Saturday 15th June
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airbusA346 said:
First stewards decision against De Vries... warning for crossing the white line at pit entry.
When it’s not your day…

Edit: Where are the race documents online? FIA website is ste.

Edited by Sandpit Steve on Saturday 15th June 12:26

airbusA346

1,135 posts

156 months

Saturday 15th June
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Sandpit Steve said:
When it’s not your day…

Edit: Where are the race documents online? FIA website is ste.

Edited by Sandpit Steve on Saturday 15th June 12:26
Al Kamel Systems.

http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/noticeBoard.php

Sandpit Steve

10,787 posts

77 months

Saturday 15th June
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airbusA346 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
When it’s not your day…

Edit: Where are the race documents online? FIA website is ste.
Al Kamel Systems.

http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/noticeBoard.php
Ah, obviously. No chance of them being on FIA.com with all their other series, just some other random site instead. banghead

Thanks for the link, wouldn’t have found that by accident!

Bonus points for the documents being in the wrong order, and how does Decision 122 end up on Document 105?

airbusA346

1,135 posts

156 months

Saturday 15th June
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We'll I was wrong...

Suspended 1 minute stop and go for #78 Lexus.

egomeister

6,781 posts

266 months

Saturday 15th June
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airbusA346 said:
First stewards decision against De Vries... warning for crossing the white line at pit entry.
And a 1 min suspended stop go for Van Der Linde...

airbusA346

1,135 posts

156 months

Saturday 15th June
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egomeister

6,781 posts

266 months

Saturday 15th June
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I think I might be asking too much, but does anyone know of a timing page that will just be the important data? I can't stand the official timing with huge graphics and spacing to make it look pretty.. just give me dense text so I can see most of the field on one page!

CLK-GTR

948 posts

248 months

Saturday 15th June
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Surprised at the Lexus penalty. I do think it was extremely stupid to slam the brakes on mid corner but the rules are pretty clear the Hypercar has the responsibility. Good common sense imo.

airbusA346

1,135 posts

156 months

Saturday 15th June
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egomeister said:
I think I might be asking too much, but does anyone know of a timing page that will just be the important data? I can't stand the official timing with huge graphics and spacing to make it look pretty.. just give me dense text so I can see most of the field on one page!
I don't know of one. There used to be Timing 71, but the FIA/ACO stopped them from accessing the raw data.

egomeister

6,781 posts

266 months

Saturday 15th June
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airbusA346 said:
egomeister said:
I think I might be asking too much, but does anyone know of a timing page that will just be the important data? I can't stand the official timing with huge graphics and spacing to make it look pretty.. just give me dense text so I can see most of the field on one page!
I don't know of one. There used to be Timing 71, but the FIA/ACO stopped them from accessing the raw data.
Yeah its a shame, there were some good options a while back.