PHEV economy Android app: interest?
Discussion
I've been working on a pet project, an Android app which dives deep into PHEV economy, and I'm thinking about releasing it (no charge, ad-free) on the Google play store.
The concept is simple - log trips, calculate equivalent mpg based on either cost / or carbon emissions basis, track trends, and dive deep into the data by making any graphs you like.
I've currently got it working pretty well for my Skoda Octavia PHEV and loading the trip data I can export from the MySkoda app, and for manually entered data, but I don't have access to any other brand's data.
Is anyone here interested in this concept, or up for sharing an example of their car's trip export data so that I can build support for other brands?
Happy to share a testing link with anyone who wants to have a play!
[EDIT - I tried to share screenshots, but since I'm a new poster that's not allowed yet. When I have that option I will post them]
The concept is simple - log trips, calculate equivalent mpg based on either cost / or carbon emissions basis, track trends, and dive deep into the data by making any graphs you like.
I've currently got it working pretty well for my Skoda Octavia PHEV and loading the trip data I can export from the MySkoda app, and for manually entered data, but I don't have access to any other brand's data.
Is anyone here interested in this concept, or up for sharing an example of their car's trip export data so that I can build support for other brands?
Happy to share a testing link with anyone who wants to have a play!
[EDIT - I tried to share screenshots, but since I'm a new poster that's not allowed yet. When I have that option I will post them]
I don't think anyone gives a toss about complicated overall economy nonsense for PHEVs.
Half the PHEV drivers I know have them as rep mobiles and never plug them in.
Fuel is on a card so they don't care.
Private owners speak of getting 'about 50mpg' on a run, with 'nearly free' local miles from plugging in.
The heffalump in the room is battery life, with comedy replacement costs from makers like Mercedes.
What are these cars going to be worth when they're out of warranty?
Mate of ours has recently got a Toyota PHEV, factoring in the cost of Toyota servicing to keep the warranty extended, he reckons the all-in costs will be pretty good if he runs it for 6 or 8 years. Fuel won't dominate the costs. It rarely does.
FWIW, he gets about 35mpg towing a caravan, car is a RAV4.
There is a slight sting in the tail, due to the 'free local running around' on electric, it gets used for a lot of short trips which might have been done in the wife's car, so annual mileage is higher and 100,000 mile warranty might not last 7 years.
Half the PHEV drivers I know have them as rep mobiles and never plug them in.
Fuel is on a card so they don't care.
Private owners speak of getting 'about 50mpg' on a run, with 'nearly free' local miles from plugging in.
The heffalump in the room is battery life, with comedy replacement costs from makers like Mercedes.
What are these cars going to be worth when they're out of warranty?
Mate of ours has recently got a Toyota PHEV, factoring in the cost of Toyota servicing to keep the warranty extended, he reckons the all-in costs will be pretty good if he runs it for 6 or 8 years. Fuel won't dominate the costs. It rarely does.
FWIW, he gets about 35mpg towing a caravan, car is a RAV4.
There is a slight sting in the tail, due to the 'free local running around' on electric, it gets used for a lot of short trips which might have been done in the wife's car, so annual mileage is higher and 100,000 mile warranty might not last 7 years.
OutInTheShed said:
I don't think anyone gives a toss about complicated overall economy nonsense for PHEVs.
Half the PHEV drivers I know have them as rep mobiles and never plug them in.
Fuel is on a card so they don't care.
Private owners speak of getting 'about 50mpg' on a run, with 'nearly free' local miles from plugging in.
The heffalump in the room is battery life, with comedy replacement costs from makers like Mercedes.
What are these cars going to be worth when they're out of warranty?
Mate of ours has recently got a Toyota PHEV, factoring in the cost of Toyota servicing to keep the warranty extended, he reckons the all-in costs will be pretty good if he runs it for 6 or 8 years. Fuel won't dominate the costs. It rarely does.
FWIW, he gets about 35mpg towing a caravan, car is a RAV4.
There is a slight sting in the tail, due to the 'free local running around' on electric, it gets used for a lot of short trips which might have been done in the wife's car, so annual mileage is higher and 100,000 mile warranty might not last 7 years.
OP, don’t listen to this miserable old git. I think it’s a good idea, as are PHEVs in general. I love mine and it’s saved me loads of money. Only thing I’d need is the app to work on my iphone. Half the PHEV drivers I know have them as rep mobiles and never plug them in.
Fuel is on a card so they don't care.
Private owners speak of getting 'about 50mpg' on a run, with 'nearly free' local miles from plugging in.
The heffalump in the room is battery life, with comedy replacement costs from makers like Mercedes.
What are these cars going to be worth when they're out of warranty?
Mate of ours has recently got a Toyota PHEV, factoring in the cost of Toyota servicing to keep the warranty extended, he reckons the all-in costs will be pretty good if he runs it for 6 or 8 years. Fuel won't dominate the costs. It rarely does.
FWIW, he gets about 35mpg towing a caravan, car is a RAV4.
There is a slight sting in the tail, due to the 'free local running around' on electric, it gets used for a lot of short trips which might have been done in the wife's car, so annual mileage is higher and 100,000 mile warranty might not last 7 years.
When my first PHEV arrived I was paranoid I was going to be out of pocket as my company only reimburse at the Gov advisory rates. I'd heard stories of "oh it'll only do 30 mpg once battery is flat etc "
I think this mainly due to the Mitsubishi Outlander that was only mainstream example up till then. That did have poor mpg.
So I started a spreadsheet and converted all the free charging at work and brim to brim refueling calcs to work out an 'equivalent' pence per mile.
I need not have worried , I was quids in. This was an X1 with max 25 miles on leccy. But all my commuting is EV so really helps the average. Even on pure petrol running it was fine doing about 45 mpg on long journeys.
I now have the current model that's presently doing up to 55 miles on EV (warm weather), this has helped the average even more, starting on a full charge I can see 70mpg average on a typical 200 mile journey which is well in excess of the current ppm (14p).
I guess your app will do this maths foy you, would you need brim to brim data inputting?
I think this mainly due to the Mitsubishi Outlander that was only mainstream example up till then. That did have poor mpg.
So I started a spreadsheet and converted all the free charging at work and brim to brim refueling calcs to work out an 'equivalent' pence per mile.
I need not have worried , I was quids in. This was an X1 with max 25 miles on leccy. But all my commuting is EV so really helps the average. Even on pure petrol running it was fine doing about 45 mpg on long journeys.
I now have the current model that's presently doing up to 55 miles on EV (warm weather), this has helped the average even more, starting on a full charge I can see 70mpg average on a typical 200 mile journey which is well in excess of the current ppm (14p).
I guess your app will do this maths foy you, would you need brim to brim data inputting?
My wife’s Phev was great for the 2.5 years she owned it. The vast majority of journeys were pure electric (40 mile range in summer)
I’d offer to help but it looks like it’s about to be confirmed a write off after being hit!
She’ll probably go full Ev when the settlement arrives (thankfully RTI gap insurance).
But if she goes Phev again, would be interested.
I’d offer to help but it looks like it’s about to be confirmed a write off after being hit!
She’ll probably go full Ev when the settlement arrives (thankfully RTI gap insurance).
But if she goes Phev again, would be interested.
Thanks! On the post that doesn't want the app - I'm fine with that, I'm only guaging interest because it will cost me some money and effort to make it available for others. It already works well for me!
I don't think I'll be able to make an iPhone version; you need a mac, an iphone and £100/y fee to even develop it, which is too much hot. If the app is useful I'll just share the code so anyone with the skills / time / enthusiasm can build on it.
The app doesn't need to track brim to brim - at a minimum just record the trip distance, fuel mpg and electric kwh/km (in whatever units you use) and the rest happens automatically.
I cross posted; if you want to see the screenshot of the current app you check my post on the speakev forum. I still can't share a link, so it's the post titled "PHEV economy app "
I don't think I'll be able to make an iPhone version; you need a mac, an iphone and £100/y fee to even develop it, which is too much hot. If the app is useful I'll just share the code so anyone with the skills / time / enthusiasm can build on it.
The app doesn't need to track brim to brim - at a minimum just record the trip distance, fuel mpg and electric kwh/km (in whatever units you use) and the rest happens automatically.
I cross posted; if you want to see the screenshot of the current app you check my post on the speakev forum. I still can't share a link, so it's the post titled "PHEV economy app "
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