How much!!!!

[NS66]

Remind me to leave the EV behind when I have a long journey. Just charged at InstaVolt after 147 miles £35 for 40 Kw . Would have been about £18 in our Mini and £21 in my Z4, even my old diesel Land Rover would have been cheaper. Rip off Britain, the EV world really needs to try harder I think ??

Edited by NS66 on Saturday 12th October 16:39

[RayDonovan]

Plan better next time

[TheRainMaker]

NS66 said:

Remind me to leave the EV behind when I have a long journey. Just charged at InstaVolt after 147 miles £35 for 40 Kw . Would have been about £18 in our Mini and £21 in my Z4, even my old diesel Land Rover would have been cheaper. Rip off Britain, the EV world really needs to try harder I think ??

Was that really a surprise?

Just think of all the money you saved for the rest of the year, though.

[TheRainMaker]

RayDonovan said:

Plan better next time

I'm not sure that is really fair; rapid chargers are expensive for the most part.

[NS66]

I guess desperately requiring a toilet constitutes as bad planning. Yes I did think it looked expensive but worse than I thought 🤷🏼‍♂️

[charltjr]

Instavolt are about as expensive as it gets.Even Gridserve are cheaper.

[Frankychops]

TheRainMaker said:

I'm not sure that is really fair; rapid chargers are expensive for the most part.

why are they twice the price of the tesla network?

[jonathan_roberts]

As a Tesla owner, any time I have to charge “off network” I realise what total peasantry the experience is.

Part of the peasantry is having to “plan” and then paying up to €1/kwh for electricity delivered to you through a different app each time. It’s utter ste.

It’s only happened twice in 3 years as I normally just use the 3pin charger if I’m in a bind.

[TheRainMaker]

Frankychops said:

TheRainMaker said:

I'm not sure that is really fair; rapid chargers are expensive for the most part.

why are they twice the price of the tesla network?

Don't ask me, ask Instavolt/ BP/ Shell

[NS66]

It needs some regulation, someone’s making some big profits and I bet the politicians have got shares in it ?

[Snow and Rocks]

Does anyone know what sort of rates "business" users like those running public chargers are paying for electricity at the moment?

As far as I'm aware they're not protected by the price cap and I heard some crazy numbers mentioned a while back - probably all settled down now but still curious to know just how much they're making.

[Nick Forest]

Frankychops said:

TheRainMaker said:

I'm not sure that is really fair; rapid chargers are expensive for the most part.

why are they twice the price of the tesla network?

A number of factors are at play here…Tesla we’re early into the game and therefore the sites they rented/leased were at fairly low annual rates as landlords were fairly naive on what they could charge for allowing EV chargers to be installed…landlords have woken up since then and are charging much higher fees for 10/20 year leases.

Secondly, the way Tesla meter their usage is different from most other operators (it brings operational challenges but does potentially provide lower electricity costs) however I don’t think Tesla will build out new sites using that method.

Thirdly…the energy market has had significant price rises since Ukraine and this is feeding through into end user prices.

Fourthly the uptake of EV’s whilst has generally been strong until recently there isn’t the uptake of charging use that most Charge Point Operators baked into their business plans has materialised. Some of those business plans were unrealistic and investors have pushed for that to be corrected to bring the ROI back on track.

Fifth and final…range is improving in each iteration of EV and allied with those who can charge at home on a 7kW charger linked to an EV specific reduced tariff such as those from Eon or Octopus means that visits to commercial rapid chargers are reducing hence the problems in point 4 above.

[Evanivitch]

NS66 said:

Remind me to leave the EV behind when I have a long journey. Just charged at InstaVolt after 147 miles £35 for 40 Kw . Would have been about £18 in our Mini and £21 in my Z4, even my old diesel Land Rover would have been cheaper. Rip off Britain, the EV world really needs to try harder I think ??

Edited by NS66 on Saturday 12th October 16:39

Write to your MP. Tell them you should be paying 5% VAT on public charging.

But yeah, public rapids are expensive. What's your home charging unit cosy? 7p?

[NS66]

Evanivitch said:

Write to your MP. Tell them you should be paying 5% VAT on public charging.

But yeah, public rapids are expensive. What's your home charging unit cosy? 7p?

I mainly charge at work as very lucky to have this free, I do have a charger at home but rarely use it - 27p I think?
I tend to use my ICE cars at weekends and long journeys to be honest so this trip has been a bit of an eye opener.

[limpsfield]

Nick Forest said:

Charging stuff

Thanks for posting that Nick, very enlightening.

I only use non-Tesla fast chargers maybe once a year and they always seem very expensive compared to my occasional supercharger usage.

[Evanivitch]

NS66 said:

I mainly charge at work as very lucky to have this free, I do have a charger at home but rarely use it - 27p I think?
I tend to use my ICE cars at weekends and long journeys to be honest so this trip has been a bit of an eye opener.

If you go on an EV tariff, which often doesn't increase your day rate, then you could be paying a lot less for home charging and Octopus have their own charger membership card with some preferential rates.

[Zero Fuchs]

NS66 said:

I mainly charge at work as very lucky to have this free, I do have a charger at home but rarely use it - 27p I think?
I tend to use my ICE cars at weekends and long journeys to be honest so this trip has been a bit of an eye opener.

So you charge for free most of the time and are now moaning about paying once for a rapid charger Cry me a river.

In fairness it's a bloody rip off, so agree, but you're even more miserly than me, which is saying something

[55palfers]

Wait until you have to pay road fuel duty plus VAT

[PetrolHeadInRecovery]

These seemed mildly interesting/relevant:

• https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/charging-price-in...
• https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu...

Based on the former, the prices seem to have gone up in the UK over the last year. From the latter, it looks like finding the right subscription in most countries would drive the DC charging costs down below your standard (non-EV) household tariff.

We'd need the equivalent of Airalo for charging network subscriptions!

[James6112]

jonathan_roberts said:

As a Tesla owner, any time I have to charge “off network” I realise what total peasantry the experience is.

Part of the peasantry is having to “plan” and then paying up to €1/kwh for electricity delivered to you through a different app each time. It’s utter ste.

It’s only happened twice in 3 years as I normally just use the 3pin charger if I’m in a bind.

Anybody can use most Tesla sites now
Download the app. If you don’t have a Tesla associated, all of the sites you see accept any EV.

Using for a trip up north in the Enyaq next week. Enyaq satnav, I can tell it i’m leaving home with say 100% & I want to arrive in Leeds with say 30%. It will show the options where to stop for a boost & the prices to achieve that figure. Will just choose on the app & then send it to the car. Takes less time than typing this paragraph! Stopping for a Tesla boost at Haigh (42p now) on the way.

(Home charge at 7p Kwh mostly, NEC last week was 59p there, easy experience)

Edited by James6112 on Sunday 13th October 07:47