List of cars that support 22kw AC charging?
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https://ev-database.org
If you drop down the "more options", you can select 22kw home charging.
It's more cars than I thought there would be.
The 7kw limit on the original I-Pace is one of the things it got castigated for in the press.
But to me, after owning an EV that can do 16kw for 5 years, I've yet to find the need for anything more than even 7kw.
It's about timing. When on the road, I don't think anything under ~100kw is useful.
If you park somewhere either at work or when sleeping, it's an easy 8h, so an 11kw limit will get any EV from empty to basically full in that time.
So only thing that remains is being stationary for less than 8h but not to the extent you're waiting for it. Then you have to find a 22kw plug for it to work, which aren't all that common.
I'm sure it's useful to some people, but I do think it's a bit of a niche group.
If you drop down the "more options", you can select 22kw home charging.
It's more cars than I thought there would be.
The 7kw limit on the original I-Pace is one of the things it got castigated for in the press.
But to me, after owning an EV that can do 16kw for 5 years, I've yet to find the need for anything more than even 7kw.
It's about timing. When on the road, I don't think anything under ~100kw is useful.
If you park somewhere either at work or when sleeping, it's an easy 8h, so an 11kw limit will get any EV from empty to basically full in that time.
So only thing that remains is being stationary for less than 8h but not to the extent you're waiting for it. Then you have to find a 22kw plug for it to work, which aren't all that common.
I'm sure it's useful to some people, but I do think it's a bit of a niche group.
ZesPak said:
So only thing that remains is being stationary for less than 8h but not to the extent you're waiting for it. Then you have to find a 22kw plug for it to work, which aren't all that common.
I'm sure it's useful to some people, but I do think it's a bit of a niche group.
I wouldn't call it niche. Our organisation still has plenty of people that travel more miles in a day than a full charge would give them and would be reliant on the public EV infrastructure to recharge. Granted, the number of people doing this since the pandemic has decreased significantly.I'm sure it's useful to some people, but I do think it's a bit of a niche group.
My average day includes only around 5 miles of city driving but when selecting a new EV, how quickly it charges during longer trips was one of my considerations. We often do a 300 mile each way trip, and the thought of hanging around a busy motorway services for longer than needed, is something that I'd rather avoid.
rudester said:
I wouldn't call it niche. Our organisation still has plenty of people that travel more miles in a day than a full charge would give them and would be reliant on the public EV infrastructure to recharge. Granted, the number of people doing this since the pandemic has decreased significantly.
My average day includes only around 5 miles of city driving but when selecting a new EV, how quickly it charges during longer trips was one of my considerations. We often do a 300 mile each way trip, and the thought of hanging around a busy motorway services for longer than needed, is something that I'd rather avoid.
I think you may have misunderstood the OP. Charging infrastructure at motorway services is generally DC and provides at least 50kw. Most EVs can accept at least 50kw DC. My average day includes only around 5 miles of city driving but when selecting a new EV, how quickly it charges during longer trips was one of my considerations. We often do a 300 mile each way trip, and the thought of hanging around a busy motorway services for longer than needed, is something that I'd rather avoid.
AC chargers, on the other hand, typically deliver between 3 and 22 50kw. They are ‘trickle’ chargers that are typically installed at home (22kw would require a 3 phase AC supply whereas 7kw is the max possible for a single phase).
Since most homes in the UK have a single phase supply, car manufacturers don’t typically offer 22kw AC charging as standard. A few do, and some offer it as an optional extra.
Well I learn something new every day. I never knew that some EV's don't support this - just checked mine and it doesn't seem to support more than 11kW!
That's Ok though as I recently jumped from 7kW to 11kW and it's been great! I can charge to 80% from 20%-30% with ease and 25% less time. And now that I can use the Tesla superchargers, it's not a worry.
Still, something to look out for in future though.
That's Ok though as I recently jumped from 7kW to 11kW and it's been great! I can charge to 80% from 20%-30% with ease and 25% less time. And now that I can use the Tesla superchargers, it's not a worry.
Still, something to look out for in future though.
Most of the time I’ve had a 22kW car and charger I’ve constrained the charge speed for various reasons - it’s not as big a deal in its own right as I thought it would be.
The real beauty of having a 3-phase supply and 22kW charging is not so much 22kW into one car, but the fact that with 2 devices you can charge 2 cars at 11kW simultaneously plus a rack of house batteries and any other big loads, all within an off peak charging window and with your DNO’s blessing!
The real beauty of having a 3-phase supply and 22kW charging is not so much 22kW into one car, but the fact that with 2 devices you can charge 2 cars at 11kW simultaneously plus a rack of house batteries and any other big loads, all within an off peak charging window and with your DNO’s blessing!
My Porsche Taycan has the optional 22kw charger, I think Audi offers similar and pretty sure Mercedes do too.
It charges the Taycan in a bit over 4hrs I think from the 22kw wall charger we have at home (3ph). Charger has 2 outlets so can do another car but it splits the output between each car. My partner has a hybrid BMW and that only takes a few kw so still see circa 20kw to the Taycan.
Had the Taycan just over 2years and the faster charging has been useful quite a few times. 22kw was the most effective solution given our available power and significant increased charger costs to go bigger. We’re quite rural in North Yorkshire so public charging at decent speeds is limited and I also like being self sufficient.
It charges the Taycan in a bit over 4hrs I think from the 22kw wall charger we have at home (3ph). Charger has 2 outlets so can do another car but it splits the output between each car. My partner has a hybrid BMW and that only takes a few kw so still see circa 20kw to the Taycan.
Had the Taycan just over 2years and the faster charging has been useful quite a few times. 22kw was the most effective solution given our available power and significant increased charger costs to go bigger. We’re quite rural in North Yorkshire so public charging at decent speeds is limited and I also like being self sufficient.
says it all, doesn't it? Puzzles said:
Thanks all.
Are the taycan/audi due a refresh soon?
I’m not sold on the iX’s looks but it’s better in darker colours imo.
I might have a look at the Q6 too.
The e-tron, now the Q8 e-tron has just had a refresh with a bigger battery, updated tech and slightly better efficiency.Are the taycan/audi due a refresh soon?
I’m not sold on the iX’s looks but it’s better in darker colours imo.
I might have a look at the Q6 too.
The Taycan has just had an update too, bit of a face lift but a lot of changes under the skin too. Bigger battery, better efficiency and much better range. Oh and a lot more power depending on the model. The Audi has also had the same treatment.
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