Cost of driving Electric Car a fifth the price of diesel
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To counter the ‘interesting article’ about how taking to the extremes EVs can be more expensive
I charge at home, 7p kWh, over 3 miles to the kWh, allowing for charging inefficiency I recon 2.5p per mile is what it costs in fuel
My old diesel did 50mpg, at £1.40l or £6.30 gallon, that’s 12.6p a mile.. that’s crazy.. diesel is 5x more expensive
What’s even more crazy is this isn’t an unusual situation only incurred on long distance trips of over 250 miles, but every day,
Now onto my Aston Martin.. (have I mentioned my Aston Martin..I should really mention my Aston Martin because Bond drives an Aston and he’s a cool dude and gets the girls) does 20 mpg that’s about 35p a mile, that’s 12x the price of my EV, and if I filled that up at a motorway services it might be 15x the price per mile..
Still, EVs don’t have much power do they, oh wait..
I charge at home, 7p kWh, over 3 miles to the kWh, allowing for charging inefficiency I recon 2.5p per mile is what it costs in fuel
My old diesel did 50mpg, at £1.40l or £6.30 gallon, that’s 12.6p a mile.. that’s crazy.. diesel is 5x more expensive
What’s even more crazy is this isn’t an unusual situation only incurred on long distance trips of over 250 miles, but every day,
Now onto my Aston Martin.. (have I mentioned my Aston Martin..I should really mention my Aston Martin because Bond drives an Aston and he’s a cool dude and gets the girls) does 20 mpg that’s about 35p a mile, that’s 12x the price of my EV, and if I filled that up at a motorway services it might be 15x the price per mile..
Still, EVs don’t have much power do they, oh wait..
Your EV at 2.5p/mile. A few questions if I may?
Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Your EV at 2.5p/mile. A few questions if I may?
Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
don't forget to add in another half an hour to understand the above maths, calculate the total journey time and then understand the relevance of the above: Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Your EV at 2.5p/mile. A few questions if I may?
Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
Yes and yes. Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
I did a 200 mile round trip in wet and windy weather last weekend, 100 miles each way, no charging at all, A/C on and wipers. all but 10 miles on motorway sat at 75mph. Still had 23% of battery left.
If I wanted to do 280 miles round trip, with a worst case scenario of a 250 mile range, it would need a 10 minutes splash and dash whilst I had a pee to get home with range to spare.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Your EV at 2.5p/mile. A few questions if I may?
Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
I dont own an EV, I have no skin in the game, but everytime I read a post like this I just think "Oh grow the fCan you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
k up!"Jordie Barretts sock said:
Your EV at 2.5p/mile. A few questions if I may?
Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
You’d be surprised Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
I think you’re confusing a modern EV such as our BMW iX 50 with a 1990s Prius.
I regularly get 300 miles of range over a number of days of mixed driving
halo34 said:
Gone fishing said:
You’d be surprised
I think you’re confusing a modern EV such as our BMW iX 50 with a 1990s Prius.
I regularly get 300 miles of range over a number of days of mixed driving
Oh stop now - you will spoil the effortless business case for rejecting EVs he just wrote.I think you’re confusing a modern EV such as our BMW iX 50 with a 1990s Prius.
I regularly get 300 miles of range over a number of days of mixed driving
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Your EV at 2.5p/mile. A few questions if I may?
Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
Just as well he didn't make any claims that it *would* be the ideal car for you then, isn't it.Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
That said, there can't be many people that haven't been invented for an internet argument that genuinely need to drive 140 miles and then turn round and drive 140 miles back with only time for a toilet break.
Even if they did exist, 280 mile real world range isn't too hard to find on an EV these days and even if you didn't quite have the range there's nothing stopping you from doing a quick 15 minute top up at any point on the journey,
Gone fishing said:
To counter the ‘interesting article’ about how taking to the extremes EVs can be more expensive
I charge at home, 7p kWh, over 3 miles to the kWh, allowing for charging inefficiency I recon 2.5p per mile is what it costs in fuel
My old diesel did 50mpg, at £1.40l or £6.30 gallon, that’s 12.6p a mile.. that’s crazy.. diesel is 5x more expensive
So 10p/mile extra to run a diesel. If the average EV is £10k more than the average ICE, which I don't think is an unfair figure, then it will take 100,000 miles before you recoup that fuel difference.I charge at home, 7p kWh, over 3 miles to the kWh, allowing for charging inefficiency I recon 2.5p per mile is what it costs in fuel
My old diesel did 50mpg, at £1.40l or £6.30 gallon, that’s 12.6p a mile.. that’s crazy.. diesel is 5x more expensive
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Your EV at 2.5p/mile. A few questions if I may?
Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
There several EVs which can do exactly that, from big SUVs (EQE, EQS, Eletre base/S, Model X and others) to saloons (Model 3 LR, EQS saloon, Polestar 2 LR, and many others). What you're describing is, as it happens, pretty much my use case, and I'm looking to get rid of my 4.4L diesel and replace it with BEV, not even a hybrid. The one I really want to see if I can make work, if I can just about eke out enough miles from it, is the Eletre R. I should probably settle for the S, but I really want 900 bhp!Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
speedking31 said:
o 10p/mile extra to run a diesel. If the average EV is £10k more than the average ICE, which I don't think is an unfair figure, then it will take 100,000 miles before you recoup that fuel difference.
On just that one metric I guess so, diesels tend to need a bit more maintenance too, not that EVs are immune, but at the end of the day it’s a choice, it just needs be made on reasonably accurate information and not “a man down the pub says.. “ type stuff because the man down the pub probably also thinks he’s Elvis. geeks said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Your EV at 2.5p/mile. A few questions if I may?
Can you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
I dont own an EV, I have no skin in the game, but everytime I read a post like this I just think "Oh grow the fCan you do 60 miles of mixed traffic/roads, stop for two hours (no charging) then do another 100 miles, stop for five minutes and then do another 60 miles of all mixed town, A road, motorway driving? All without any recharging at all? And not worry about lights, air-conditioning, wipers, etc.
Or can you do a trip of 140 miles, stop for 10 minutes and do the return 140 miles without any charging?
No? Didn't think so. Until you can do that, your EV is useless to me. I'll stick with diesel/petrol hybrid. Both of which take less than 10 minutes empty to full.
k up!"I don't understand the holier than thou "grow the f--k up" rudeness.
I genuinely don't know of anyone with an electric vehicle that will do that without worry of range anxiety.
And to infer that there is nobody that would drive 140 miles, turnaround and do another 140 miles and they don't exist, what about dropping someone from Devon to LHR or LGW? OK, yeah a 15 minute stop on the way back to top up, that's not at 2.5p/mile is it?
Then there's the cost of the home charger. £750ish? Or (and I genuinely don't know) can you get a grant or something towards the cost?
The increased insurance costs I hear about over ICE vehicles and the huge depreciation too.
If I'm going to be convinced a BEV is the way forward, you're going to have to do much better than playground insults and attempts at ridicule.
I genuinely don't know of anyone with an electric vehicle that will do that without worry of range anxiety.
And to infer that there is nobody that would drive 140 miles, turnaround and do another 140 miles and they don't exist, what about dropping someone from Devon to LHR or LGW? OK, yeah a 15 minute stop on the way back to top up, that's not at 2.5p/mile is it?
Then there's the cost of the home charger. £750ish? Or (and I genuinely don't know) can you get a grant or something towards the cost?
The increased insurance costs I hear about over ICE vehicles and the huge depreciation too.
If I'm going to be convinced a BEV is the way forward, you're going to have to do much better than playground insults and attempts at ridicule.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
I don't understand the holier than thou "grow the f--k up" rudeness.
I genuinely don't know of anyone with an electric vehicle that will do that without worry of range anxiety.
And to infer that there is nobody that would drive 140 miles, turnaround and do another 140 miles and they don't exist, what about dropping someone from Devon to LHR or LGW? OK, yeah a 15 minute stop on the way back to top up, that's not at 2.5p/mile is it?
Then there's the cost of the home charger. £750ish? Or (and I genuinely don't know) can you get a grant or something towards the cost?
The increased insurance costs I hear about over ICE vehicles and the huge depreciation too.
If I'm going to be convinced a BEV is the way forward, you're going to have to do much better than playground insults and attempts at ridicule.
Convince yourself - 280 mile range is realistic, you asked a question and got one. Either buy one or dont, we dont care.I genuinely don't know of anyone with an electric vehicle that will do that without worry of range anxiety.
And to infer that there is nobody that would drive 140 miles, turnaround and do another 140 miles and they don't exist, what about dropping someone from Devon to LHR or LGW? OK, yeah a 15 minute stop on the way back to top up, that's not at 2.5p/mile is it?
Then there's the cost of the home charger. £750ish? Or (and I genuinely don't know) can you get a grant or something towards the cost?
The increased insurance costs I hear about over ICE vehicles and the huge depreciation too.
If I'm going to be convinced a BEV is the way forward, you're going to have to do much better than playground insults and attempts at ridicule.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
If I'm going to be convinced a BEV is the way forward, you're going to have to do much better than playground insults and attempts at ridicule.
If you’re going to be convinced a BEV is the way forward you need to open your mind to the possibility They’re not for everyone, have £10k for a car, only have street parking or a few other situations and I’d not suggest one. For many others the fear they have just doesn’t translate to practice.
This thread was created to counter the stereotypical negative headline of the other thread which singled out one particular scenario to sensationalise the story and which, with respect, people like yourself lap up as reasons not to get one.
As for the Aston Martin, it fully complies with the “never meet your hero’s” argument as I was very disappointed and it’s long since gone
I also think if your going to come in with a negative question as in "convince me" as it has to meet the scenario of my donkey being sick and making sure I can do 3333.33 miles with only a small rum break to get to the specific vet that lives up a mountain where its snowing all the time. Then we know already your not open to it.
Plenty info on charging points, ranges, charging maps that show local rates around you etc.
Plenty info on charging points, ranges, charging maps that show local rates around you etc.
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