Kia EV6 vs Merc EQC
Discussion
Hi all,
Looking for some advice - considering returning to the EV fold (had a Kia Niro and loved it), and we’re looking to keep the car for a long time.
We like the look of both, and are going to head out in a few weeks to test drive both.
Just wondering from peoples experiences how you would rate these cars from a space perspective (boot and rear seats), comfort of seats, driving behaviour and ability to get advertised range?
Looking for some advice - considering returning to the EV fold (had a Kia Niro and loved it), and we’re looking to keep the car for a long time.
We like the look of both, and are going to head out in a few weeks to test drive both.
Just wondering from peoples experiences how you would rate these cars from a space perspective (boot and rear seats), comfort of seats, driving behaviour and ability to get advertised range?
If you like the mercedes interior and their fit and finish, the EQC largely doesn't disappoint.
By most other measures, I wouldn't recommend it.
Range below average
Not spacious for the size of the car
Quite old techwise nowadays
Etc etc
Getting a real world range of between 160-210 miles was the killer for me
By most other measures, I wouldn't recommend it.
Range below average
Not spacious for the size of the car
Quite old techwise nowadays
Etc etc
Getting a real world range of between 160-210 miles was the killer for me
Oooo, they dont sell the EQC in the US and just took a look at the 'coming soon' pictures. Looks good. I know I am in the minority, but I like the EV SUV designs from Mercedes - a little boring but swooping and simple. I see that the EQC is carrying this on, nice.
One thing I would ask though - and I am really not having a pop - have Mercedes fixed the interior plastics? The expensive models are OK, but the cheaper ones had a period where they tended to squeak or rattle. This was up to the early EQ models.
One thing I would ask though - and I am really not having a pop - have Mercedes fixed the interior plastics? The expensive models are OK, but the cheaper ones had a period where they tended to squeak or rattle. This was up to the early EQ models.
off_again said:
Oooo, they dont sell the EQC in the US and just took a look at the 'coming soon' pictures. Looks good. I know I am in the minority, but I like the EV SUV designs from Mercedes - a little boring but swooping and simple. I see that the EQC is carrying this on, nice.
If a UK poster above thinks it's "compact", it'll be considered positively tiny in the US, won't it?Space you’ll have to make your own assessment but I’ve had an EV6 GT for 2 years and 24,000 miles.
The range is as advertised, mine is 250 miles max summer, 220 winter (the non GT ones are correspondingly more) and you reliably get that range.
Comfort is very good and fit and finish seem fine, nothing at all has broken, no rattles and the car has been faultless.
Driving for the GT model is pretty incredible, but from my test drives of the other models they also seem good.
Basically it punches way above its expected position in the market.
The first service is after 2 years and is just brake fluid and a general check £300 and then again every 2 years and it has a 7 year warranty.
Battery wear is 1.5% and it genuinely charges 10-80% in under 20 minutes when you need it too. I’m not sure the Merc can do that.
The range is as advertised, mine is 250 miles max summer, 220 winter (the non GT ones are correspondingly more) and you reliably get that range.
Comfort is very good and fit and finish seem fine, nothing at all has broken, no rattles and the car has been faultless.
Driving for the GT model is pretty incredible, but from my test drives of the other models they also seem good.
Basically it punches way above its expected position in the market.
The first service is after 2 years and is just brake fluid and a general check £300 and then again every 2 years and it has a 7 year warranty.
Battery wear is 1.5% and it genuinely charges 10-80% in under 20 minutes when you need it too. I’m not sure the Merc can do that.
Sheepshanks said:
off_again said:
Oooo, they dont sell the EQC in the US and just took a look at the 'coming soon' pictures. Looks good. I know I am in the minority, but I like the EV SUV designs from Mercedes - a little boring but swooping and simple. I see that the EQC is carrying this on, nice.
If a UK poster above thinks it's "compact", it'll be considered positively tiny in the US, won't it?And yes, it might be considered small in comparison to a Ford Expedition, but a lot of people are buying this sized car and I have to think that should be a big hit for Mercedes if they can get the pricing right (and not have snotty dealers).
Should add I am 6’1 and came from a Range Rover Sport so the Merc feels compact. My two boys 16 and 13 have enough space in the back. Boot is smaller than what I would have liked.
I’ve done a few 230 mile trips with 30 miles battery left. To be fair this was summer and I drove to maximise mileage.
I’ve done a few 230 mile trips with 30 miles battery left. To be fair this was summer and I drove to maximise mileage.
Had the EQC 400 for four years now and it's been a pretty decent car. There have been very few issues with it, there are no rattles/squeaks from the trim and it's a really nice place to sit for a few hours.
The faults/issues, I have with it are that the chrome trim on the dash gives an horrendous reflection on the screen.
The range is pretty crap... If you have to do regular 200mile plus trips it will require planning and charging stops.
Only one issue mechanically with it. When we had a really cold snap water would freeze in the air pump for the rear suspension and kill the pump. It was quite sad seeing it's arse start to sag as the air leaked out....
The faults/issues, I have with it are that the chrome trim on the dash gives an horrendous reflection on the screen.
The range is pretty crap... If you have to do regular 200mile plus trips it will require planning and charging stops.
Only one issue mechanically with it. When we had a really cold snap water would freeze in the air pump for the rear suspension and kill the pump. It was quite sad seeing it's arse start to sag as the air leaked out....
Had a EQC for about 8 months and it waa average at best.
Range was s
t, brakes were shocking and the performance seemed to drop off dramatically above 40/50 for a 400bhp car.
Had a Polestar before it and it was miles better overall.
Only upsides of the Merc was a good quality interior and it did ride well. If you want to waft and are happy with 160-210 miles weather dependant its fine.
Range was s
t, brakes were shocking and the performance seemed to drop off dramatically above 40/50 for a 400bhp car.Had a Polestar before it and it was miles better overall.
Only upsides of the Merc was a good quality interior and it did ride well. If you want to waft and are happy with 160-210 miles weather dependant its fine.
What speed does the Merc charge at?
The 800v charging in the EV6 is very good,
The maximum you’ll have to wait is around 20 minutes provided you pre heat the battery (the car does it automatically based on the sat nav) it makes a big difference. You can even cheekily use Porsche Centre rapid chargers as I’ve done several times!
The 800v charging in the EV6 is very good,
The maximum you’ll have to wait is around 20 minutes provided you pre heat the battery (the car does it automatically based on the sat nav) it makes a big difference. You can even cheekily use Porsche Centre rapid chargers as I’ve done several times!
740EVTORQUES said:
What speed does the Merc charge at?
The 800v charging in the EV6 is very good,
The maximum you’ll have to wait is around 20 minutes provided you pre heat the battery (the car does it automatically based on the sat nav) it makes a big difference. You can even cheekily use Porsche Centre rapid chargers as I’ve done several times!
Yeah, I have to agree - charging speed does make an impact. And I am the one with an EV that charges at maybe 150 Kw max! This really should be the minimum and to be honest I think most modern EV's will hit this with ease. Where I live, its not really an issue about charger availability (just got my Tesla adaptor so I can now use a lot of their superchargers now!), so I can pick and choose without an issue. Most places will have a choice of 4-5 at the very minimum! Even the local city to me with less than 5000 people has two fast chargers! As a result the charge speed doesnt really matter and hence didnt impact my decision.The 800v charging in the EV6 is very good,
The maximum you’ll have to wait is around 20 minutes provided you pre heat the battery (the car does it automatically based on the sat nav) it makes a big difference. You can even cheekily use Porsche Centre rapid chargers as I’ve done several times!
However, where charging is maybe less available, the ability to top-up and go is useful and if you can get the super fast charge rates, even better! You can get a meaningful charge in a short period of time and drastically extend the range you have. The Korean stuff is very impressive and from what I have read and from owners, their range is very accurate in the real-world.
off_again said:
Yeah, I have to agree - charging speed does make an impact. And I am the one with an EV that charges at maybe 150 Kw max! This really should be the minimum and to be honest I think most modern EV's will hit this with ease. Where I live, its not really an issue about charger availability (just got my Tesla adaptor so I can now use a lot of their superchargers now!), so I can pick and choose without an issue. Most places will have a choice of 4-5 at the very minimum! Even the local city to me with less than 5000 people has two fast chargers! As a result the charge speed doesnt really matter and hence didnt impact my decision.
However, where charging is maybe less available, the ability to top-up and go is useful and if you can get the super fast charge rates, even better! You can get a meaningful charge in a short period of time and drastically extend the range you have. The Korean stuff is very impressive and from what I have read and from owners, their range is very accurate in the real-world.
Intrigued by the Tesla adapter. Is it as simple as a CCS extension lead to avoid blocking a bay when using older Tesla chargers?However, where charging is maybe less available, the ability to top-up and go is useful and if you can get the super fast charge rates, even better! You can get a meaningful charge in a short period of time and drastically extend the range you have. The Korean stuff is very impressive and from what I have read and from owners, their range is very accurate in the real-world.
Edited by Sydney Aqueduct on Wednesday 18th September 15:53
Edited by Sydney Aqueduct on Wednesday 18th September 15:55
Sydney Aqueduct said:
off_again said:
Yeah, I have to agree - charging speed does make an impact. And I am the one with an EV that charges at maybe 150 Kw max! This really should be the minimum and to be honest I think most modern EV's will hit this with ease. Where I live, its not really an issue about charger availability (just got my Tesla adaptor so I can now use a lot of their superchargers now!), so I can pick and choose without an issue. Most places will have a choice of 4-5 at the very minimum! Even the local city to me with less than 5000 people has two fast chargers! As a result the charge speed doesnt really matter and hence didnt impact my decision.
However, where charging is maybe less available, the ability to top-up and go is useful and if you can get the super fast charge rates, even better! You can get a meaningful charge in a short period of time and drastically extend the range you have. The Korean stuff is very impressive and from what I have read and from owners, their range is very accurate in the real-world.
Intrigued by the Tesla adapter. Is it as simple as a CCS extension lead to avoid blocking a bay when using older Tesla chargers?However, where charging is maybe less available, the ability to top-up and go is useful and if you can get the super fast charge rates, even better! You can get a meaningful charge in a short period of time and drastically extend the range you have. The Korean stuff is very impressive and from what I have read and from owners, their range is very accurate in the real-world.
Edited by Sydney Aqueduct on Wednesday 18th September 15:53
Edited by Sydney Aqueduct on Wednesday 18th September 15:55
https://a2zevshop.com/collections/charging-adapter...
This is the upgraded one and I did check with other Mach-e owners that this is supported and works.
You just plug it into the car and then use the supercharger connector from there. However, there are some caveats to this. You can only use v3 superchargers (and v4 when they are rolled out) but these are the most common chargers here in the US. You cannot use destination chargers at all. Also, this is only supported for a limited number of manufacturers - Rivian, Ford and GM cars only.
It is supposed to work seamlessly though. Plug in with the adaptor and then the supercharger works out its not a Tesla and then charges from there. In the case of Ford, you have to have a credit card tied to your Ford Pass app. You then get charged on that card. However, I have been advised to get an account with Tesla and use the app if this isnt working. In this case, the station knows its not a Tesla and then you use the app to identify which station and start the charge.
All pretty seamless to be honest. Biggest issue is that most supercharger locations dont accommodate the charge port location, so you need to use the spot next to the charger. But thats a small problem in reality.
One issue is that Tesla’s are 400v and use high current with liquid cooling of the cables to achieve their high charge speeds. They can’t therefore easily charge 800v cars like KIA, Hyundai and Porsche that employ an 800v architecture. There was talk of a workaround but I’m not sure how far it got.
If you have an 800v car you’re better off charging at a true 800v DC charger to get the best speeds. When you do it’s awesome how quick it is, it’s a bit like the opposite of watching the fuel gauge go down in a V12 Jag XJ
If you have an 800v car you’re better off charging at a true 800v DC charger to get the best speeds. When you do it’s awesome how quick it is, it’s a bit like the opposite of watching the fuel gauge go down in a V12 Jag XJ
off_again said:
Oooo, they dont sell the EQC in the US and just took a look at the 'coming soon' pictures. Looks good. I know I am in the minority, but I like the EV SUV designs from Mercedes - a little boring but swooping and simple. I see that the EQC is carrying this on, nice.
One thing I would ask though - and I am really not having a pop - have Mercedes fixed the interior plastics? The expensive models are OK, but the cheaper ones had a period where they tended to squeak or rattle. This was up to the early EQ models.
I'm confused... Are you saying Mercedes US have the EQC - a car that has been discontinued in Europe - down as "coming soon" to the States? One thing I would ask though - and I am really not having a pop - have Mercedes fixed the interior plastics? The expensive models are OK, but the cheaper ones had a period where they tended to squeak or rattle. This was up to the early EQ models.
I have an EV6 GT Line S. RWD. Boot space, its good but not spectacular for a car of its size. Everyone has their own method of measuring, for me I can fit 4 large cricket kit bags in there, without the load cover. The GT Line S loses a chunk of boot space to hold the subwoofer for the uprated stereo. The RWD has a decent frunk which holds charging cable, tow hook, vehicle to load adapter with space to spare.
Interior space is vast. In 6'5" and can comfortably sit behind myself. Last car I could do that in was an Audi S6. Seats are comfy. On this trim they are heated and ventilated, the ventilation is good to avoid a sweaty back on a hot day. Sun roof reduces headspace a little but its not an issue for me.
Range Ive not paid much attention to. I'm a low mileage user and bob about until its around 40-50% and then charge overnight. I do know with Ovo Charge Anytime and Power Move it costs me nothing for about 400 miles a month.
I've got the Phantom Black paint, it has a nice e pearlescent sparkle to it. I think the car looks cool as fk, 20" rims, the raked roof line, spoiler, it looks like the Batmobile. Don't know what the design team took that day but it's light years ahead of any other Kia, and many other cars design wise. The entry level Air is boring. At least go for the mid range GT Line.
Interior is good, its not quite there with the German marques and their mastery of soft plastics but it's still good. Lots of charging ports and a 3 pin socket inside. Infotainment system is good. The 14 speaker uprated sound system is a little underwhelming unfortunately. My trim has an augmented reality HUD which is great. The on board sat nav is brilliant and you get turn signals in the HUD including flashing blue turn signals that come closer as you approach the turn.
Driving it is fun. I've had it a few months but the novelty of taking it for a spin hasn't worn off. For the lowest power option in the range its still rapid.
If you can find and ultra fast charger it can charger really rapidly. You'll pay and arm and leg but it's good to know there is the option. Lot of cars can't handle that level of charge.
I have no experience of the Merc but I would hands down recommend the EV6. It's the best car I've ever owned. If someone told me 2 years ago I would be paying 53k for a Kia I would have said they have lost the plot, but its worth every penny. In a few years when it's time for renewal I'll 100% replace it like for like. The '24 refresh has a bigger battery too I understand.
If you wanted to know the negatives. There are a couple but they are so minor. The rear seats have a recline option, but the mechanism is a bit weak and sometimes the seats rattle when no one is sitting in them. The GT Line S has a power boot and an auto open setting where if you stand by the boot with the key in your pocket it opens without touch, its great but it takes too long and you look like a tit waiting. The sunroof has a single button with 2 detents. You can just retract the Interior cover and not the external glass but the detents are so weak its almost impossible to do. I do like the panoramic sunroof though.
Interior space is vast. In 6'5" and can comfortably sit behind myself. Last car I could do that in was an Audi S6. Seats are comfy. On this trim they are heated and ventilated, the ventilation is good to avoid a sweaty back on a hot day. Sun roof reduces headspace a little but its not an issue for me.
Range Ive not paid much attention to. I'm a low mileage user and bob about until its around 40-50% and then charge overnight. I do know with Ovo Charge Anytime and Power Move it costs me nothing for about 400 miles a month.
I've got the Phantom Black paint, it has a nice e pearlescent sparkle to it. I think the car looks cool as f
k, 20" rims, the raked roof line, spoiler, it looks like the Batmobile. Don't know what the design team took that day but it's light years ahead of any other Kia, and many other cars design wise. The entry level Air is boring. At least go for the mid range GT Line. Interior is good, its not quite there with the German marques and their mastery of soft plastics but it's still good. Lots of charging ports and a 3 pin socket inside. Infotainment system is good. The 14 speaker uprated sound system is a little underwhelming unfortunately. My trim has an augmented reality HUD which is great. The on board sat nav is brilliant and you get turn signals in the HUD including flashing blue turn signals that come closer as you approach the turn.
Driving it is fun. I've had it a few months but the novelty of taking it for a spin hasn't worn off. For the lowest power option in the range its still rapid.
If you can find and ultra fast charger it can charger really rapidly. You'll pay and arm and leg but it's good to know there is the option. Lot of cars can't handle that level of charge.
I have no experience of the Merc but I would hands down recommend the EV6. It's the best car I've ever owned. If someone told me 2 years ago I would be paying 53k for a Kia I would have said they have lost the plot, but its worth every penny. In a few years when it's time for renewal I'll 100% replace it like for like. The '24 refresh has a bigger battery too I understand.
If you wanted to know the negatives. There are a couple but they are so minor. The rear seats have a recline option, but the mechanism is a bit weak and sometimes the seats rattle when no one is sitting in them. The GT Line S has a power boot and an auto open setting where if you stand by the boot with the key in your pocket it opens without touch, its great but it takes too long and you look like a tit waiting. The sunroof has a single button with 2 detents. You can just retract the Interior cover and not the external glass but the detents are so weak its almost impossible to do. I do like the panoramic sunroof though.
Kermit power said:
off_again said:
Oooo, they dont sell the EQC in the US and just took a look at the 'coming soon' pictures. Looks good. I know I am in the minority, but I like the EV SUV designs from Mercedes - a little boring but swooping and simple. I see that the EQC is carrying this on, nice.
One thing I would ask though - and I am really not having a pop - have Mercedes fixed the interior plastics? The expensive models are OK, but the cheaper ones had a period where they tended to squeak or rattle. This was up to the early EQ models.
I'm confused... Are you saying Mercedes US have the EQC - a car that has been discontinued in Europe - down as "coming soon" to the States? One thing I would ask though - and I am really not having a pop - have Mercedes fixed the interior plastics? The expensive models are OK, but the cheaper ones had a period where they tended to squeak or rattle. This was up to the early EQ models.
https://www.mbusa.com/en/future-vehicles/eqc
This is what the MB USA site says - future vehicles. Now, does it actually comes to the US, who knows.
off_again said:
Kermit power said:
off_again said:
Oooo, they dont sell the EQC in the US and just took a look at the 'coming soon' pictures. Looks good. I know I am in the minority, but I like the EV SUV designs from Mercedes - a little boring but swooping and simple. I see that the EQC is carrying this on, nice.
One thing I would ask though - and I am really not having a pop - have Mercedes fixed the interior plastics? The expensive models are OK, but the cheaper ones had a period where they tended to squeak or rattle. This was up to the early EQ models.
I'm confused... Are you saying Mercedes US have the EQC - a car that has been discontinued in Europe - down as "coming soon" to the States? One thing I would ask though - and I am really not having a pop - have Mercedes fixed the interior plastics? The expensive models are OK, but the cheaper ones had a period where they tended to squeak or rattle. This was up to the early EQ models.
https://www.mbusa.com/en/future-vehicles/eqc
This is what the MB USA site says - future vehicles. Now, does it actually comes to the US, who knows.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mercedes/eqc/363809/...
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