Help me Choose - PS2 Vs Tesla 3
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Trying to pick between a new (facelift) Tesla 3 single motor and a lightly used Polestar 2 Long Range (facelift single or twin). We do a lot of running about but have a twice monthly 200 mile each way motorway trip and id like to cover this without charging.
Drove the Polestar and it felt very BMW, handed and rode nicely on 19's, less so on 20's. We need pilot and plus packs for the autonomous stuff, plus the upgraded hifi and a heat pump. Used from Polestar a 23 plate car with both packs is circa £33-£34k in either single or twin motor, with 8.9% apr and roughly £900 of charging credits or charger.
Or a facelift Tesla M3 seems to have everything as standard, plus better charging, the standard range car seems to go far enough. Their IFC offer means it's broadly the same price over 4 years as the cheaper PS2 if you include the interest charges.
Anybody able to offer a view?
Was planning a Macan EV, but the finance charge alone even with a big deposit is >50% of the purchase price of either of these.
Our current ionic 5 (58kwh) needs to be charged 3 times, like to get that down to once if possible. Current car has super fast 175kwh charging but in the winter it's a ball ache as no pre conditioning or heat pump and very slow sub 50kwh.
Drove the Polestar and it felt very BMW, handed and rode nicely on 19's, less so on 20's. We need pilot and plus packs for the autonomous stuff, plus the upgraded hifi and a heat pump. Used from Polestar a 23 plate car with both packs is circa £33-£34k in either single or twin motor, with 8.9% apr and roughly £900 of charging credits or charger.
Or a facelift Tesla M3 seems to have everything as standard, plus better charging, the standard range car seems to go far enough. Their IFC offer means it's broadly the same price over 4 years as the cheaper PS2 if you include the interest charges.
Anybody able to offer a view?
Was planning a Macan EV, but the finance charge alone even with a big deposit is >50% of the purchase price of either of these.
Our current ionic 5 (58kwh) needs to be charged 3 times, like to get that down to once if possible. Current car has super fast 175kwh charging but in the winter it's a ball ache as no pre conditioning or heat pump and very slow sub 50kwh.
Edited by bennno on Thursday 22 August 16:23
A lot has been posted on this and I've driven both.
The key point to me is that they are a bit a part in price, so you have to compare new vs second hand.
I know the new Model 3 is better than the outgoing, but what about a lightly used Model 3 and save some cash?
Anyway, the Polestar 2 has one of the best infotainment available, but still Tesla does it a bit better imho. I've given one of my friends who owns a Polestar a ride (in Model S) to the south of France and even he commented on it how much better the navigation works wrt charging and the like.
As a car, I think I prefer the Polestar 2 over the older Model 3 if the price point was the same, but as a complete ownership experience, the Model 3 feels like a better experience.
TL;DR: For me it would be a toss up if the price was the same or the Polestar was slightly cheaper, since it isn't, the Model 3 would be an easy pick.
Edited to add: Took a Model 3 SR to the south of France as well, it's ridiculously efficient. Makes that standard battery charge way longer than you'd expect and, because of the smaller battery, charges a lot faster as well.
The key point to me is that they are a bit a part in price, so you have to compare new vs second hand.
I know the new Model 3 is better than the outgoing, but what about a lightly used Model 3 and save some cash?
Anyway, the Polestar 2 has one of the best infotainment available, but still Tesla does it a bit better imho. I've given one of my friends who owns a Polestar a ride (in Model S) to the south of France and even he commented on it how much better the navigation works wrt charging and the like.
As a car, I think I prefer the Polestar 2 over the older Model 3 if the price point was the same, but as a complete ownership experience, the Model 3 feels like a better experience.
TL;DR: For me it would be a toss up if the price was the same or the Polestar was slightly cheaper, since it isn't, the Model 3 would be an easy pick.
Edited to add: Took a Model 3 SR to the south of France as well, it's ridiculously efficient. Makes that standard battery charge way longer than you'd expect and, because of the smaller battery, charges a lot faster as well.
Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 22 August 16:40
Agreed, it's effectively a new Model 3 for £40k vs a £34k Ps2 Long Range Dual (with plus and pilot and 3.5k miles). Price identical with IFC offer.
Range - Both seem to have roughly the same, Tesla being more efficient on a 60kw battery and single motor vs dual and 30% bigger battery.
Autonomous - The autonomous cruise / lanekeeping seems similar on both
Infotainment - Seems difficult to separate the HK audio of the Ps2 from the standard Tesla audio.
Range - Both seem to have roughly the same, Tesla being more efficient on a 60kw battery and single motor vs dual and 30% bigger battery.
Autonomous - The autonomous cruise / lanekeeping seems similar on both
Infotainment - Seems difficult to separate the HK audio of the Ps2 from the standard Tesla audio.
bennno said:
Trying to pick between a new (facelift) Tesla 3 single motor and a lightly used Polestar 2 Long Range (facelift single or twin). We do a lot of running about but have a twice monthly 200 mile each way motorway trip and id like to cover this without charging.
Will either car comfortably do 400 miles at motorway speeds without needing a recharge?ZesPak said:
JNW1 said:
Will either car comfortably do 400 miles at motorway speeds without needing a recharge?
Not a chance.Current ionic 5 needs a recharge on arrival, plus a stop mid way each way.
bennno said:
ZesPak said:
JNW1 said:
Will either car comfortably do 400 miles at motorway speeds without needing a recharge?
Not a chance.Current ionic 5 needs a recharge on arrival, plus a stop mid way each way.
Subtract 10-15% for winter IME of my previous 2020 SR.
My shortlist for replacing my Model 3 SR was a PS2 SM LR and Model 3 RWD. The PS2 just felt too cramped, the seats/position wasn't as comfortable and it felt it's ~500Kg additional weight, but the hatch is a bonus and the infotainment was good with it's interaction with Google. Speed wise they are roughly the same. As for range, 270 vs 320 real world looks about right.
In the end I went for the Model 3 RWD in blue, the latest model is so much of an improvement over the old one. I certainly wouldn't have been disappointed with the PS2 if it wasn't for the seats.
bennno said:
ZesPak said:
JNW1 said:
Will either car comfortably do 400 miles at motorway speeds without needing a recharge?
Not a chance.Current ionic 5 needs a recharge on arrival, plus a stop mid way each way.
bennno said:
ZesPak said:
JNW1 said:
Will either car comfortably do 400 miles at motorway speeds without needing a recharge?
Not a chance.Current ionic 5 needs a recharge on arrival, plus a stop mid way each way.
With ours (77kWh battery AWD, 19"), you could probably do it without any hypermiling in the summertime (assuming sticking to the speed limit when there's no traffic helping to clear the air).
On our last long trip, we did one ~190-mile stint with ~90% -> 23% charge (IIRC). The average speed was slightly under 80km/h/50mph, but we carried three bikes on a towbar rack, and drove the normal motorway speeds where appropriate/possible.
A big battery Ioniq 6 could be a safe option range-wise if you want to stick with the Hyundai idiosyncracies (the good and the few less good ones).
Edit: The 10% -> 80% charge time would be a thing I'd miss the most with a PS2 or a Tesla 3. Mainly relevant when making longer trips than 200 miles and requires proper chargers. But if a tour of the continent is of interest...
Edited by PetrolHeadInRecovery on Friday 23 August 10:34
PetrolHeadInRecovery said:
I'm wondering if the 2025 Ioniq 5 with 84kWh batter could do it? Just in case you like the car otherwise and there would be incentives to stay with the same brand.
With ours (77kWh battery AWD, 19"), you could probably do it without any hypermiling in the summertime (assuming sticking to the speed limit when there's no traffic helping to clear the air).
On our last long trip, we did one ~190-mile stint with ~90% -> 23% charge (IIRC). The average speed was slightly under 80km/h/50mph, but we carried three bikes on a towbar rack, and drove the normal motorway speeds where appropriate/possible.
A big battery Ioniq 6 could be a safe option range-wise if you want to stick with the Hyundai idiosyncracies (the good and the few less good ones).
Its a tempting option, the ionic 5 does a lot of stuff very well, size is particularly handy.With ours (77kWh battery AWD, 19"), you could probably do it without any hypermiling in the summertime (assuming sticking to the speed limit when there's no traffic helping to clear the air).
On our last long trip, we did one ~190-mile stint with ~90% -> 23% charge (IIRC). The average speed was slightly under 80km/h/50mph, but we carried three bikes on a towbar rack, and drove the normal motorway speeds where appropriate/possible.
A big battery Ioniq 6 could be a safe option range-wise if you want to stick with the Hyundai idiosyncracies (the good and the few less good ones).
Im thinking it was just the version I brought that is problematic - no heat pump, nor battery pre conditioning.
The main thing Id level as a criticism of Hyundai are
1. The consumption on the motorway is out of kilter with more normal running about - sub 2.5kwh, perhaps 3kwh if you nurse it.
2. Hyundai are obtuse with spec levels of cars pre current facelift - which have battery pre conditioning and a heat pump etc
The only one that makes real sense is the advance 84kwh.
bennno said:
Its a tempting option, the ionic 5 does a lot of stuff very well, size is particularly handy.
Im thinking it was just the version I brought that is problematic - no heat pump, nor battery pre conditioning.
The main thing Id level as a criticism of Hyundai are
1. The consumption on the motorway is out of kilter with more normal running about - sub 2.5kwh, perhaps 3kwh if you nurse it.
2. Hyundai are obtuse with spec levels of cars pre current facelift - which have battery pre conditioning and a heat pump etc
The only one that makes real sense is the advance 84kwh.
Re. #1: It is indeed very sensitive to tyres and airspeed. Switching to the (awful) eco mode in the earlier dual-motor ones (like ours) helps if you're cruising above (indicated) 77 mph. Im thinking it was just the version I brought that is problematic - no heat pump, nor battery pre conditioning.
The main thing Id level as a criticism of Hyundai are
1. The consumption on the motorway is out of kilter with more normal running about - sub 2.5kwh, perhaps 3kwh if you nurse it.
2. Hyundai are obtuse with spec levels of cars pre current facelift - which have battery pre conditioning and a heat pump etc
The only one that makes real sense is the advance 84kwh.
Re. #2: the information received and retained by the dealership network varies a lot (data points: Finland and Switzerland - one of them great, another one with fairly confused sales staff).
The #3 is, of course, the navigation system constantly reminding you that you can't get to your destination (1600 miles away) without charging - just after you have added a charger as a tour point.
For what it is worth, ours is an early 23 model without the heat pump, later 23 model (silicon carbide inverter also in the front) with a pump would be more efficient (RWD even more so, of course). Our long-term average is a bit over 3.1 miles/kWh, but I've seen 2.5 (or a bit worse). But that's been in Germany (or similar), with persistent headwinds above 80mph or driving in heavy rain/slush. Still, 200 miles without a charge would require at least minimal attention to the economy with the 77kWh battery, at least with AWD.
Ioniq 6 or KIA EV6 with bigger batteries, if you want to switch in a hurry? Smaller cars, obviously.
In terms of driving dynamics, I prefer the PS2, BYD and Kia to the 3, however for us it’s a daily commuting car (Elise for fun), so I prefer the 3 due to range, charging infrastructure (when needed, pretty rare in our house), and imho the screen is absolutely light years ahead of all the others.
I’ve driven but not owned the first 3, had a Tesla for 4 yrs.
I’ve driven but not owned the first 3, had a Tesla for 4 yrs.
To close this thread off. Thanks all for the advice on this thread.
After much flip flopping I found a mk2 84kwh 4k mile ps2 dual motor with pilot and plus packs for £33k, came with £900 of charging credits, 2 year warranty etc.
Only done 300 miles in it today, but my ionic 5 with the 165bhp rwd motor was doing 2.4miles kWh - this has done between 3.3 at 80, 4.5 at 70 and 5.5 in motorway 50’s - pilot works well, car feels very well screwed together.
Good maps seems good, great compared to the ionic to see battery charge on arrival that’s accurate…..
bennno said:
To close this thread off. Thanks all for the advice on this thread.
After much flip flopping I found a mk2 84kwh 4k mile ps2 dual motor with pilot and plus packs for £33k, came with £900 of charging credits, 2 year warranty etc.
Only done 300 miles in it today, but my ionic 5 with the 165bhp rwd motor was doing 2.4miles kWh - this has done between 3.3 at 80, 4.5 at 70 and 5.5 in motorway 50’s - pilot works well, car feels very well screwed together.
Good maps seems good, great compared to the ionic to see battery charge on arrival that’s accurate…..
Sounds like a good purchase After much flip flopping I found a mk2 84kwh 4k mile ps2 dual motor with pilot and plus packs for £33k, came with £900 of charging credits, 2 year warranty etc.
Only done 300 miles in it today, but my ionic 5 with the 165bhp rwd motor was doing 2.4miles kWh - this has done between 3.3 at 80, 4.5 at 70 and 5.5 in motorway 50’s - pilot works well, car feels very well screwed together.
Good maps seems good, great compared to the ionic to see battery charge on arrival that’s accurate…..
That is excellent efficiency @ 70.
I’d seen articles which mentioned uncoupling of front motor, new motors, changes for efficiency - but it was a bit better than expected.
Engenie Chargers at Eurotunnel do not work, but thankfully car too charge from the Tesla bank ther without an issue - drew 120-125 ish, not sure what Tesla chargers normally deliver.
Engenie Chargers at Eurotunnel do not work, but thankfully car too charge from the Tesla bank ther without an issue - drew 120-125 ish, not sure what Tesla chargers normally deliver.
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