EV for long term ownership

[Martyn76]

Starting to look at replacing our old 2006 330D, an EV is high on the list as it suites our needs (local in town driving, free charging at work, occasional once a month round trip journey of 100 miles, I'm not a serial switcher, generally keeping cars for 8-10 years so my question is which EV would you choose as a long term ownership prospect, budget is up to £25k (Man maths can be applied)

Is it a Tesla of some description?

[Shabaza]

Id get a 2019ish Tesla Model S
Can pretty much do it all
P100D if you are so inclined for sub 3 second 0-60 times
Otherwise a regular 100D will cut the mustard

[limpsfield]

As a Tesla owner, I would say a Tesla.

I've just had the software update that gave me matrix headlight functionality - or whatever that thing is called that keeps it on full beam but blocks out the bit when a car is coming towards you or in front of you.

I suppose, as with Apple, they might decide to restrict updates in the future on older cars, but it is a good thing at the moment to get these bits of extra functionality.

But also, with your usage profile of not massive trips, it sounds like you would be charging at home all the time so I think most fit the requirements so buy the one you like.

I'd quite fancy a BMW i3 - the owners on here all seems to speak highly of them.

[Nomme de Plum]

Is the Tesla S much bigger than a 3 series BMW?

If mainly town driving a smaller car may be preferable, therefore Model 3 or Y if going down the Tesla route.

[Nomme de Plum]

limpsfield said:

As a Tesla owner, I would say a Tesla.

I've just had the software update that gave me matrix headlight functionality - or whatever that thing is called that keeps it on full beam but blocks out the bit when a car is coming towards you or in front of you.

I suppose, as with Apple, they might decide to restrict updates in the future on older cars, but it is a good thing at the moment to get these bits of extra functionality.

But also, with your usage profile of not massive trips, it sounds like you would be charging at home all the time so I think most fit the requirements so buy the one you like.

I'd quite fancy a BMW i3 - the owners on here all seems to speak highly of them.

I have an i3S. I like the quirky design and Carbon Fibre tub and at 1350kg really light for an EV. The only real criticism i have is that the ride is poor on uneven roads.

I still believe newer models like the Model 3 will be better.

[ZesPak]

Nomme de Plum said:

Is the Tesla S much bigger than a 3 series BMW?

If mainly town driving a smaller car may be preferable, therefore Model 3 or Y if going down the Tesla route.

The Model S is as big as a 5 series on the outside, and much bigger still in terms of luggage capacity. It's especially wide as wel.
Overall the Model 3 is much better VFM, and dynamically less of a boat (although the Model S isn't too shabby with a low CoG).

It's also more frugal which means it can go further with the same amount charged. My friend with an SR Model 3 needs less time charging than I do in my 100D when we go to the south of France for that reason.

Edited by ZesPak on Friday 2nd August 13:26

[Zcd1]

Add me to the list of people suggesting a Tesla Model 3, though if you could stretch to the first "refresh" version, which was introduced in the US in 2021, it would be worthwhile IMHO.

Having owned a 2018 and now a 2022, the 2022 is noticeably quieter and the interior is nicer overall.

The Model 3 simply does everything well, and it's much more wieldy to drive than the Model S.

Edited by Zcd1 on Friday 2nd August 14:34

[ian_c_uk]

For that long term ownership, I would consider a nearly new MG or Kia with the 7yr warranty. <approved used Kia come with 7yrs from collection, even if 18mth old>.

That will give you the least grief \ costs over the term. Hyundai are 5yr, I think Toyota <and Lexus?> could be also.

[ZesPak]

ian_c_uk said:

For that long term ownership, I would consider a nearly new MG or Kia with the 7yr warranty. <approved used Kia come with 7yrs from collection, even if 18mth old>.

That will give you the least grief \ costs over the term. Hyundai are 5yr, I think Toyota <and Lexus?> could be also

Battery/drivetrain warranties are 8 years on Tesla's as well though. Don't see what that extended warranty would bring that's worth it?

[Martyn76]

Thanks all, looks like my thinking is right.

Not a fan of the MG5 and the MG4 is too small as a do it all family car imo, think the only KIA I would look at is the EV6 I think and I think only the lower powered ones are close to what I would to spend.

[DMZ]

We are long terming an I-Pace, to mention a car nobody would recommend. But here we are some number of years later with no intention of selling it. Full of kit, drives well, takes everyone and everything. I do occasionally drive other EVs and it’s usually a big step down. I think my point eventually is with an EV is that they do what they do and long terming them makes sense. It’s not like you will change to another one and you get a V12.

[raspy]

Martyn76 said:

Starting to look at replacing our old 2006 330D, an EV is high on the list as it suites our needs (local in town driving, free charging at work, occasional once a month round trip journey of 100 miles, I'm not a serial switcher, generally keeping cars for 8-10 years so my question is which EV would you choose as a long term ownership prospect, budget is up to £25k (Man maths can be applied)

Is it a Tesla of some description?

BMW i4? BMW main dealer has a 2022 i4 eDrive40 Sport with 44k miles for £27,990. I reckon you could put a lowball offer in.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202407292...

Personally, I think you'll be seeing a car like that for listed for under £25k towards the end of the year as more EVs (of any brand) come off business leases.

[James6112]

How about Honda ENY1
After dealer/Honda contribution it cost me £31k new (being delivered in Sept)
:-
£2.5k deposit
£226 a month for 3 years (0 interest)
6k miles a year
Hand it back or £20k odd to buy
5 year servicing/warranty/aa (8 years on battery) included.
Insurance cheap (for me as an old person)

That i4 does look good though!
As a cash purchase
Comedy PCP interest rate is the killer

Edited by James6112 on Friday 2nd August 16:27

[tr3a]

Nomme de Plum said:

I have an i3S. I like the quirky design and Carbon Fibre tub and at 1350kg really light for an EV. The only real criticism i have is that the ride is poor on uneven roads.

I still believe newer models like the Model 3 will be better.

We have both a 2020 BMW i3 and a Tesla Model 3. While I love the BMW for its innovative tech, nice interior and nippiness, it's clearly an old design. Reliability is iffy, DCFC charging is only 50kW and software and connectivity are a joke. The Model 3 does everything much better.

[Fastlane]

2021 on Tesla Model 3 Long Range would be the most obvious choice, as has been suggested. They are an excellent EV.

£25k will bag you a good one and a lot of the depreciation will be done.

[mcbook]

How about a Polestar 2? There are plenty around in the £20-£25k range.

I think they're a bit more stylish than the Tesla 3 and with the hatch-back they are more practical. I don't think you can get a decent Model Y in that price range.

[ashenfie]

tr3a said:

We have both a 2020 BMW i3 and a Tesla Model 3. While I love the BMW for its innovative tech, nice interior and nippiness, it's clearly an old design. Reliability is iffy, DCFC charging is only 50kW and software and connectivity are a joke. The Model 3 does everything much better.

It think you would have to consider the car as a hole. The model 3 is a form factor of the past, more prefer the model Y. The boot has poor access and the wipers, indicators all seam to be an after thought. The model 3 is quite long and some parking sensors would be handy.

[Zcd1]

ashenfie said:

It think you would have to consider the car as a hole. The model 3 is a form factor of the past, more prefer the model Y. The boot has poor access and the wipers, indicators all seam to be an after thought. The model 3 is quite long and some parking sensors would be handy.

This is such a nonsensical take on the question that it’s hard to know where to begin.

Any used Model Y’s controls are IDENTICAL to the amy used 3’s, and it’s also longer (and wider) than the 3.

The 3’s boot/trunk is also huge, though obviously not as large or easy to access as the Y’s hatchback.

The Y also doesn’t drive as well as the 3, though it drives very well indeed for the type of vehicle it is.

Edited by Zcd1 on Saturday 3rd August 12:59

[limpsfield]

Zcd1 said:

ashenfie said:

It think you would have to consider the car as a hole. The model 3 is a form factor of the past, more prefer the model Y. The boot has poor access and the wipers, indicators all seam to be an after thought. The model 3 is quite long and some parking sensors would be handy.

This is such a nonsensical take on the question that it’s hard to know where to begin.

Any used Model Y’s controls are IDENTICAL to the amy used 3’s, and it’s also longer (and wider) than the 3.

The 3’s boot/trunk is also huge, though obviously not as large or easy to access as the Y’s hatchback.

The Y also doesn’t drive as well as the 3, though it drives very well indeed for the type of vehicle it is.

Edited by Zcd1 on Saturday 3rd August 12:59

That is a very odd take - almost a chat gpt response!

The Tesla is bmw 3 series sized. And it has …wait for it…a reversing camera. And cameras everywhere!

I hope this does not blow anyone’s mind.

[ashenfie]

Zcd1 said:

This is such a nonsensical take on the question that it’s hard to know where to begin.

Any used Model Y’s controls are IDENTICAL to the amy used 3’s, and it’s also longer (and wider) than the 3.

The 3’s boot/trunk is also huge, though obviously not as large or easy to access as the Y’s hatchback.

The Y also doesn’t drive as well as the 3, though it drives very well indeed for the type of vehicle it is.

Edited by Zcd1 on Saturday 3rd August 12:59

Any boot is no use if you can’t get anything in it. Back to 80s bmw and Audi’s.the polestar 2 and many others that I driven runs rings around the model 3 in terms of human interactions. Tesla clearly don’t like us humans. The better drive chain and power management is far less noticeable.