Nissan Ariya ordered

[MR2 Steve]

Ordered a 225KW from carparison and have a few questions if anyone could help. Started a new topic rather than clog up the deals thread.

I'm already with Octopus on standard tariff. I guess it makes sense to move to Intelligent Go or one of the others plans. It seems it only works with certain chargers. Can anyone advise? I’m thinking the Ohme charger if anyone has any experience. Ideally untethered so it's a bit neater on the side of the house.

Thanks

[sjg]

You can just do the non-intelligent Go if you want a cheaper window overnight. If you have a hefty commute and plug in every day then it might work out better anyway.

Else if you're getting an Ohme then Agile might work better for you, the benefit of the Ohme is that you can set it to get to x% by a certain time and it'll figure out the cheapest time slots to get you there, starting and stopping the charge as it goes.

Seen those very cheap Ariya deals, hoping I can get something similar in a year when I can get out of my Leaf.

[MR2 Steve]

Thanks. I would be happy to try Agile but my wife works from home and would have zero interest in adjusting energy use timings!

[Pistonheadsdicoverer]

MR2 Steve said:

Ordered a 225KW from carparison and have a few questions if anyone could help. Started a new topic rather than clog up the deals thread.

I'm already with Octopus on standard tariff. I guess it makes sense to move to Intelligent Go or one of the others plans. It seems it only works with certain chargers. Can anyone advise? I’m thinking the Ohme charger if anyone has any experience. Ideally untethered so it's a bit neater on the side of the house.

Thanks

Well done on your lease. There's quite a few of us Ariya owners on PH now. Feel free to drop your Qs here. There's also a few threads started by myself and others. I had mine for more than 2 months now.

[sjg]

I work from home and use Agile - all we adjust for is avoiding the 4-7pm peak if we’re putting on the washing machine or dryer. Outside of that it’s usually under 20p, and for much of the day under 15p.

[Hedobot]

Also on Agile with a granny charger for the last 7 months

As someone said, if you need to charge up daily its probably not the tariff for you and you should really be on Intelligent which wont be a problem with a compatible charger.

We work from home and its no problem but you will need a Smart meter for either Intelligent/Go/Agile. (Octopus will do this for you if you apply incase u don't have one)

Agile does make you think about your energy use though. Sometime its cheaper to put the immersion on instead of the boiler

I dont slow cook a 4kg brisket between 4 -7 pm either with the dishwasher on and doing a boil wash. So it pays to be sensible

Edited by Hedobot on Thursday 20th June 09:15

[Knock_knock]

EV tariffs make sense if you're needing to charge fairly often because you're putting a lot of miles on an EV.

We have two EV's and one is on charge almost every night (we alternate nights) and as a result we benefit greatly. Our overall cost per kWh is floating around 12p. That's for all electricity. The car charging and all household overnight use is 7.5p.

If you only need to charge once a week (for example) you'll see much less savings, and might even end up paying more overall as the peak rate is very slightly higher than on standard tariffs I believe.

Load shifting things like washing machine and dishwasher etc has minimal impact - a washing machine cycle might use 2-4kWh and a dishwasher cycle 1-2kWh, but they're small fry compared to shoving 30kWh into a car most nights. On their own they won't move the needle much.

Standard Octopus Go gives 4 hours cheap and will work with (I believe) any car and charger. Intelligent Octopus Go gives 6 hours (or more) cheap but requires either a supported car or supported charger.

Agile is worth a look, and as long as you avoid the peak rate couple of hours as much as possible can offer some useful savings. I was on it for a bit during COVID times when electricity prices were very low but it became much less competitive once Ukraine kicked off.

Ohme chargers, which Octopus will install, are compatible with Intelligent. I had them fit the Ohme ePod, which is really quite small and is untethered, and I really like it.

[Turtle Shed]

Knock_knock said:

Load shifting things like washing machine and dishwasher etc has minimal impact

With respect that's not always true, and certainly not for us. We heat all of our water overnight, tumble dry at night, dishwash at night and run the washing machine at night. Even without EV charging more than half of our electricity consumption takes place between 12:30am and 4:30am on Octopus Go.

The only hefty loads during the day are boiling the kettle, using the cooker and the occasional things like ironing/toaster/hairdryer.

[ian_c_uk]

If you are undecided between Intelligent Octopus Go and Agile, there is "tracker" which changes daily rather than hourly.

Mine has averaged 18.94p over the last 12mths on Tracker, and generally it is lower at weekends. I tend to charge / top up when cheap, rather than wait until low, e.g at weekend it dropped to 17.8 so I took advantage of that, and obviously we ensured washing etc was all done on the same day.

[Knock_knock]

Turtle Shed said:

Knock_knock said:

Load shifting things like washing machine and dishwasher etc has minimal impact

With respect that's not always true, and certainly not for us. We heat all of our water overnight, tumble dry at night, dishwash at night and run the washing machine at night. Even without EV charging more than half of our electricity consumption takes place between 12:30am and 4:30am on Octopus Go.

The only hefty loads during the day are boiling the kettle, using the cooker and the occasional things like ironing/toaster/hairdryer.

I absolutely agree that load shifting overall is very beneficial, but it's relatively unusual to use electricity for DHW and a lot of people are uncomfortable running tumble dryers overnight. Things like a kettle might use 2kW but only for five minutes, so actually consume very little electricity overall, whereas the EV might charge at 7kW for six hours.

My point is more that there's a perception that EV tariffs such as Go are good for all scenarios whereas you need to consider your specific use case.

For us we have an ASHP for all DHW and CH, so the overnight cheapness of Intelligent is an absolute "no brainer" when combined with two EV's, but we're relatively a edge case in that respect, so I don't want to oversell the benefits to the OP as unless you can move at least a reasonable percentage of usage to overnight it won't save money.

[Pistonheadsdicoverer]

Depending on your usage, it may be worth looking at investing in battery storage.

[MR2 Steve]

I don’t think Agile is for me. If I’m completely honest I don’t want to think about when I use appliances. I’m generally not around in the day and I know the wife wouldn’t do it. I don’t want to do my washing in the middle of the night either.

[thecremeegg]

We're just on Octopus tracker with our EV. Like you I cba to have to think about when to put an appliance on and I'm working from home so anything that loads the daytime rate in favour of overnight just doesn't work for us

[AlunJ]

MR2 Steve said:

I don’t think Agile is for me. If I’m completely honest I don’t want to think about when I use appliances. I’m generally not around in the day and I know the wife wouldn’t do it. I don’t want to do my washing in the middle of the night either.

I’m on agile and tbh we don’t majorly worry too much about doing washing etc at night. I will look for the cheapest time slot to charge the car (pretty basic podpoint so nothing as fancy as the ohme etc) and stick the dishwasher on before bed but otherwise unless the rate is at a minus on goes the immersion heater and tumble dryer etc but for the most part we still save a fair bit compared to other tariffs as throughout most of the day outside of the peak it’s still a damn sight cheaper than a standard tariff.

[nick1871]

Tracker with an EV works for us too, like above we charge/top up on the cheaper days.

[Grapevine226]

We drive around 1000 miles/month with 99% of charging at home. Shifted dishwasher and tumble dryer to overnight and averaged around 11ppkwh on IOG last month. We have an Ohme Home Pro tethered charger. Relatively low usage for electricity otherwise. Agile might be cheaper but we're happy with the additional insurance of a known unit price when we're charging.

[MR2 Steve]

The IOG really brings down your average cost.