Environmental cost of ICE

[740EVTORQUES]

Emergency bottled water supplies in Bramley, Surrey after it was discovered a leak from a local Petrol station has polluted the water.

It’s not just the tail pipe emissions!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgll12v5z7xo.a...

Where is that factored into petrol prices/ tax?

[TheDeuce]

I suppose ultimately everything is factored into tax...

There has to be a cost for the damage to health caused by burning carcinogens in the streets where the majority of people live, 24 hours a day...

I doubt any form of car tax for any type of car will ever accurately reflect the real costs of allowing the cars to be used. Road charging should bring the ratio of use/cost closer - not that road charging is a popular idea!

I'd be amazed if ICE didn't continue forevermore to attract higher levels of tax than EV though, whatever the calculation or means. The tax system is always used to encourage the desired personal behaviour and choices.

[ashenfie]

Seams a bit rich an EV driver suggesting ICE drivers pay more Tax LOL. This issue should and most likely will be paid by the Insurance company. Relatively simple but expensive, removal of soil and it's replacement, it's not like we need to replace part of the rain forest for this one. Hopefully know one suffer illness

Edited by ashenfie on Tuesday 4th June 09:26

[Richard-D]

Good job there aren't any nasty chemicals in EVs. Otherwise this thread would just look like another attempt to fill the forum with the same argument already present on a dozen other threads.

Coming soon...

"ICE vehicles don't work for me"

"Dealer won't accept return of useless EV"

"All EVs are rubbish, discuss"

etc. etc.

[andy43]

Free petrol on tap - what’s not to like?

[ashenfie]

Richard-D said:

Good job there aren't any nasty chemicals in EVs. Otherwise this thread would just look like another attempt to fill the forum with the same argument already present on a dozen other threads.

Coming soon...

"ICE vehicles don't work for me"

"Dealer won't accept return of useless EV"

"All EVs are rubbish, discuss"

etc. etc.

You forget my EV killed my Pacemaker

[TheDeuce]

ashenfie said:

Richard-D said:

Good job there aren't any nasty chemicals in EVs. Otherwise this thread would just look like another attempt to fill the forum with the same argument already present on a dozen other threads.

Coming soon...

"ICE vehicles don't work for me"

"Dealer won't accept return of useless EV"

"All EVs are rubbish, discuss"

etc. etc.

You forget my EV killed my Pacemaker

They accelerate too fast to be safe! Silent killers!!

[740EVTORQUES]

ashenfie said:

Seams a bit rich an EV driver suggesting ICE drivers pay more Tax LOL. This issue should and most likely will be paid by the Insurance company. Relatively simple but expensive, removal of soil and it's replacement, it's not like we need to replace part of the rain forest for this one. Hopefully know one suffer illness

Edited by ashenfie on Tuesday 4th June 09:26

It’s not at all simple if the local area has been polluted for some time.

Ironically in a nearby village (Shalford) a local petrol station closed and the land was redeveloped as housing. Before they could build they had to spend nearly 2 years pumping cleaning fluids through the ground to decontaminate the deep seated pollution that is inevitable with underground storage tanks.

Not having tens of thousands of litres of basically toxic waste stored underground in leaky tanks near to our houses is going to be another environmental benefit from the move to EVs (as it is small local petrol stations that will be the first to close as demand falls.)

[TheDeuce]

740EVTORQUES said:

ashenfie said:

Seams a bit rich an EV driver suggesting ICE drivers pay more Tax LOL. This issue should and most likely will be paid by the Insurance company. Relatively simple but expensive, removal of soil and it's replacement, it's not like we need to replace part of the rain forest for this one. Hopefully know one suffer illness

Edited by ashenfie on Tuesday 4th June 09:26

It’s not at all simple if the local area has been polluted for some time.

Ironically in a nearby village (Shalford) a local petrol station closed and the land was redeveloped as housing. Before they could build they had to spend nearly 2 years pumping cleaning fluids through the ground to decontaminate the deep seated pollution that is inevitable with underground storage tanks.

Not having tens of thousands of litres of basically toxic waste stored underground in leaky tanks near to our houses is going to be another environmental benefit from the move to EVs (as it is small local petrol stations that will be the first to close as demand falls.)

It is in general good to move away from billions of litres of toxic fuel being stored, carried around the place and blown up across the whole country - that's a no brainer. We're only 'okay' with the practice in the first place out of sheer familiarity. Were a new form of the same behaviour suggested today, people would be horrified!

But Ashenfie is right, this isn't really a tax issue and, given the number of petrol stations is already reducing, it's hardly a problem for the future either - beyond whatever damage the existing stations leave behind.

The reason ICE drivers do and will continue to pay more tax, one way or another, really has nothing to do with specific problems and costs that arise from using fossil fuel, and everything to do with use of taxation to encourage the transition to electric cars for the general improvements they bring. If we listed every way in which handling and burning fossil fuels is bad, it'd be a very long list..

[delta0]

At least if they start piping fuel directly to houses then ICE owners will get to experience one of the joys of having a charged EV at home.

[dvs_dave]

delta0 said:

At least if they start piping fuel directly to houses then ICE owners will get to experience one of the joys of having a charged EV at home.

It’s interesting how a similar thing was never developed for natural gas (CNG) powered vehicles. Especially in places like the UK where domestic natural gas supplies are ubiquitous.