Ford UK's saviour? The new E-Transit Custom

[plfrench]

I suspect that Ford will have far less trouble hitting the ZEV Mandate targets for vans than cars with this addition:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/ford/e-transi...

7sec 0-62mph time for the top spec version is bloomin' nippy for a van

[normalbloke]

Range when loaded?

[The Rotrex Kid]

I had a look at the MSRT at the Commercial Vehicle show. Lovely bit of kit (the Ranger MSRT stole its thunder though!) we have 2x MSRT customs at the moment and well on the way to electrification, the range and charging are still a problem for us at the moment but I would be tempted with an MSRT e-custom double cab!

[riskyj]

normalbloke said:

Range when loaded?

Presumably very low. They’re quoting “64kWh battery delivers a WLTP range of 202 miles” presumably unladen.

Why is the battery so small?

[mikey_b]

riskyj said:

normalbloke said:

Range when loaded?

Presumably very low. They’re quoting “64kWh battery delivers a WLTP range of 202 miles” presumably unladen.

Why is the battery so small?

They've probably done research that says most vans do much less than that per day. Which is probably true - even 150 miles per day is 36k a year, which certainly sounds high although no doubt someone will be along to say theirs does 500 miles a day. A smaller battery keeps the cost down.

[dxg]

The new Transporter's looking, erm, good?

I wonder if VW will do a version of this.

[Forester1965]

£50k for a van.

[autumnsum]

Forester1965 said:

£50k for a van.

Yeah, easy on the custom range, even the diesels.

It turns out that, like the USA since the 1970s, people actually like nice vans with loads of options.

It's weird it took them this long to offer them here.

[riskyj]

mikey_b said:

They've probably done research that says most vans do much less than that per day. Which is probably true - even 150 miles per day is 36k a year, which certainly sounds high although no doubt someone will be along to say theirs does 500 miles a day. A smaller battery keeps the cost down.

I’d always assumed someone doing Amazon style multi-drop delivery would rack up the miles, but actually the majority of the deliveries are probably within a fairly small radius, so a good use case for an ev van I suppose.

If you’re a tradesperson, you’re probably going to a job, then the builders merchants, then a job etc. again unlikely to hit 150 miles in a day.

[Essarell]

mikey_b said:

riskyj said:

normalbloke said:

Range when loaded?

Presumably very low. They’re quoting “64kWh battery delivers a WLTP range of 202 miles” presumably unladen.

Why is the battery so small?

They've probably done research that says most vans do much less than that per day. Which is probably true - even 150 miles per day is 36k a year, which certainly sounds high although no doubt someone will be along to say theirs does 500 miles a day. A smaller battery keeps the cost down.

I’ll oblige, my 72 plate Transit Custom just ticked over 60k, week before last it went thru 3 tanks of diesel in a 4 day week, there’s no doubt plenty will find an EV van perfect for their needs but not (yet) for me. I do think the petrol hybrid could be my next vehicle, I like the sound of automatic and over 200hp and not having to fill with adblue every few weeks.

[The Rotrex Kid]

autumnsum said:

Forester1965 said:

£50k for a van.

Yeah, easy on the custom range, even the diesels.

It turns out that, like the USA since the 1970s, people actually like nice vans with loads of options.

It's weird it took them this long to offer them here.

My 2 DCIV L2 MSRT 170 Autos listed at like £57k+vat. Lots of money.

[Super Sonic]

mikey_b said:

They've probably done research that says most vans do much less than that per day. Which is probably true - even 150 miles per day is 36k a year, which certainly sounds high although no doubt someone will be along to say theirs does 500 miles a day. A smaller battery keeps the cost down.

Also means you can carry more stuff.

[dvs_dave]

mikey_b said:

They've probably done research that says most vans do much less than that per day. Which is probably true - even 150 miles per day is 36k a year, which certainly sounds high although no doubt someone will be along to say theirs does 500 miles a day. A smaller battery keeps the cost down.

The Amazon delivery van made by Rivian has an approx 150 mile range and there’s 100,000 of those in the US plying their trade with no issue. I don’t think there’s any plans for a longer range one either so obviously adequate for the task at hand. I imagine Ford have benchmarked this and came to similar conclusions.

[mikey_b]

CheesecakeRunner said:

riskyj said:

I’d always assumed someone doing Amazon style multi-drop delivery would rack up the miles, but actually the majority of the deliveries are probably within a fairly small radius, so a good use case for an ev van I suppose.

Where I live, all the Amazon vans doing that are electric.

They’re diesel near me, as are the DPD vans. But it’s certainly noticeable with DPD that as they get to within an hour of delivery and you can track where the guy and his van are, he might still have 15 drops before yours but be within a couple of miles of the house all that time. They work hard but don’t necessarily rack up the miles - I think they go to a central depot to load up with the day’s parcels, but then each van works a fairly tight radius of deliveries.

[Evanivitch]

riskyj said:

normalbloke said:

Range when loaded?

Presumably very low. They’re quoting “64kWh battery delivers a WLTP range of 202 miles” presumably unladen.

Why is the battery so small?

Bugger battery costs more. 64kWh at 1.5m/kWh estimated fully loaded and at speed, just shy 100 miles. But it'll do much better than that as a general courier vehicle doing local delivery round.

[Vsix and Vtec]

My 2018 peugeot expert has just clocked 185k. I do about 40 to 50k a year, and the environment I work in is such that the building doesn't properly exist yet, let alone a 240v socket to granny charge off. I need 300 to 400 miles in all weathers and seasons to consider anything that isnt a hybrid or a diesel. What the world thinks excavators and site 110v generators are going to run off I don't know.

[Evanivitch]

Vsix and Vtec said:

My 2018 peugeot expert has just clocked 185k. I do about 40 to 50k a year, and the environment I work in is such that the building doesn't properly exist yet, let alone a 240v socket to granny charge off. I need 300 to 400 miles in all weathers and seasons to consider anything that isnt a hybrid or a diesel. What the world thinks excavators and site 110v generators are going to run off I don't know.

Well currently there's a great con in selling HVO as green fuel when it's the opposite.

But tools can easily run off the likes of the Rivian and F150 electric all day. Even a mini excavator will run off a battery no problem, the power demands really aren't that great.

But yes, if you're doing big van miles then this isn't for you.

[dvs_dave]

Vsix and Vtec said:

My 2018 peugeot expert has just clocked 185k. I do about 40 to 50k a year, and the environment I work in is such that the building doesn't properly exist yet, let alone a 240v socket to granny charge off. I need 300 to 400 miles in all weathers and seasons to consider anything that isnt a hybrid or a diesel. What the world thinks excavators and site 110v generators are going to run off I don't know.

They’re not for you, cool. Good job you’re under no obligation to buy one, and that not everyone has the same use case as you do.

[normalbloke]

Evanivitch said:

riskyj said:

normalbloke said:

Range when loaded?

Presumably very low. They’re quoting “64kWh battery delivers a WLTP range of 202 miles” presumably unladen.

Why is the battery so small?

Bugger battery costs more. 64kWh at 1.5m/kWh estimated fully loaded and at speed, just shy 100 miles. But it'll do much better than that as a general courier vehicle doing local delivery round.

Any official figures in print, as opposed to estimates?

[ACCYSTAN]

Not yet

Spoke to ford dealer, this is an estimated range and not confirmed.

Stellantis are the exact same with their new facelift small and medium vans in electric, ranges are estimated still to be confirmed.

It seems wrong you can order the vehicles but don’t officially know the range on the facelift models.
If the current non facelift models are a guide, the real world range is significantly less than the quoted figure.

It’s worth adding, Ford are having trouble getting the electric range in commercials into production, the electric version of the Transit courier was supposed to be out in March, it’s now going to be May 2025 due to difficulties with suppliers and assembly line adjustments.