BMW 330e used - 7.6kWh vs 12 kWh
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Currently considering a 330e used - around the £15k mark as the next car.
Aside from the obvious, as in I assume the 12kWh will have a larger range on EV only, is there any specific reasons I should fork out a bit more money for one of the later models with the 12?
My usage will be mostly fairly short commutes (between 7-15 miles total per day, with a short 1-junction motorway blast on the longer commute which is likely use the petrol on)- I would charge overnight at home. Other usage would predominantly be sub-20 mile jaunts.
Basically I can save a decent amount of money if I go for a 7.6 model and just being new to understanding EV type stuff wondered if there are any other factors I needs to be aware of.
Sorry if this is a daft question but I really don’t want to spend money I don’t need to!
Aside from the obvious, as in I assume the 12kWh will have a larger range on EV only, is there any specific reasons I should fork out a bit more money for one of the later models with the 12?
My usage will be mostly fairly short commutes (between 7-15 miles total per day, with a short 1-junction motorway blast on the longer commute which is likely use the petrol on)- I would charge overnight at home. Other usage would predominantly be sub-20 mile jaunts.
Basically I can save a decent amount of money if I go for a 7.6 model and just being new to understanding EV type stuff wondered if there are any other factors I needs to be aware of.
Sorry if this is a daft question but I really don’t want to spend money I don’t need to!
Depends if you really are going to bother plugging it in every day.
Sounds like the lower range one might work for you, but the company car people I know with similar don't actually plug it in, they just use the tax advantage, which doesn't exist for the private buyer.
So are you going to plug it in every day to save the planet / save £500 in fuel a year set against the increased complexity / borkage factor of ageing hybrid tech?
Sounds like the lower range one might work for you, but the company car people I know with similar don't actually plug it in, they just use the tax advantage, which doesn't exist for the private buyer.
So are you going to plug it in every day to save the planet / save £500 in fuel a year set against the increased complexity / borkage factor of ageing hybrid tech?
Danm1les said:
They had to increase the battery pack to meet company car requirements as cars had to do a minimum range on eletric, 30 odd instead of 20 odd.
Depends if you can do your daily driving just on the smaller battery?
OK that explains the reason for the increase. If the range for 7.6 is more like 20 miles then yes I probably can comfortably. Depends if you can do your daily driving just on the smaller battery?
Hammersia said:
Depends if you really are going to bother plugging it in every day.
Sounds like the lower range one might work for you, but the company car people I know with similar don't actually plug it in, they just use the tax advantage, which doesn't exist for the private buyer.
So are you going to plug it in every day to save the planet / save £500 in fuel a year set against the increased complexity / borkage factor of ageing hybrid tech?
Yes I would only get one if I charge every day which I would plan to do, probably try for one of these new energy tariffs with cheap overnight rates. I'd be a private buyer, so the tax advantage is not relevant to me as you say.Sounds like the lower range one might work for you, but the company car people I know with similar don't actually plug it in, they just use the tax advantage, which doesn't exist for the private buyer.
So are you going to plug it in every day to save the planet / save £500 in fuel a year set against the increased complexity / borkage factor of ageing hybrid tech?
So the draw for me is the much lower fuel costs, likely saving £50+ a month (although I appreciate a charging point would be an additional and not inconsiderable expense). How much of a concern should ageing hybrid tech be - chances are I'd keep it for 4/5 years until it gets to around 60/70k miles and look to hopefully use a still decent value against an upgrade.
Jungleland said:
Yes I would only get one if I charge every day which I would plan to do, probably try for one of these new energy tariffs with cheap overnight rates. I'd be a private buyer, so the tax advantage is not relevant to me as you say.
So the draw for me is the much lower fuel costs, likely saving £50+ a month (although I appreciate a charging point would be an additional and not inconsiderable expense). How much of a concern should ageing hybrid tech be - chances are I'd keep it for 4/5 years until it gets to around 60/70k miles and look to hopefully use a still decent value against an upgrade.
Mine charges from the standard three pin plug overnight you wouldn't need a dedicated socket fitting.So the draw for me is the much lower fuel costs, likely saving £50+ a month (although I appreciate a charging point would be an additional and not inconsiderable expense). How much of a concern should ageing hybrid tech be - chances are I'd keep it for 4/5 years until it gets to around 60/70k miles and look to hopefully use a still decent value against an upgrade.
Jungleland said:
Currently considering a 330e used - around the £15k mark as the next car.
Aside from the obvious, as in I assume the 12kWh will have a larger range on EV only, is there any specific reasons I should fork out a bit more money for one of the later models with the 12?
My usage will be mostly fairly short commutes (between 7-15 miles total per day, with a short 1-junction motorway blast on the longer commute which is likely use the petrol on)- I would charge overnight at home. Other usage would predominantly be sub-20 mile jaunts.
Basically I can save a decent amount of money if I go for a 7.6 model and just being new to understanding EV type stuff wondered if there are any other factors I needs to be aware of.
Sorry if this is a daft question but I really don’t want to spend money I don’t need to!
The newer G20 is light years ahead of the F30 in virtually every aspect. A tremendous place to sit, way more comfortable, much more tech, a very good drive train and you would pick an early one up for around £15-17k depending on spec. Aside from the obvious, as in I assume the 12kWh will have a larger range on EV only, is there any specific reasons I should fork out a bit more money for one of the later models with the 12?
My usage will be mostly fairly short commutes (between 7-15 miles total per day, with a short 1-junction motorway blast on the longer commute which is likely use the petrol on)- I would charge overnight at home. Other usage would predominantly be sub-20 mile jaunts.
Basically I can save a decent amount of money if I go for a 7.6 model and just being new to understanding EV type stuff wondered if there are any other factors I needs to be aware of.
Sorry if this is a daft question but I really don’t want to spend money I don’t need to!
The bigger battery obviously helps your requirements. And overnight on a granny charger will do you without the expense of fitting a chrger for such a small capacity.
FWIW I just picked up a 2020 520d mhev i.e mild hybrid 48v thing.
I’m getting 45mpg in busy traffic and 60 on a run easily. A 320d would be even more economical. There were loads of 330e and 530e about and they were miles cheaper, but the possibility of speciality repairs put me and I presume most buyers off. You only need one big bill and years of fuel savings could be lost. Same for any engine to an extent I know.
The MHEV tech is, I have to say, brilliant - I did a 192 mile journey on the weekend on mostly A roads , when you let off the throttle in comfort or eco it coasts the gearbox and actually turns off the engine. It’s seamless and it took being in comfort mode with a rev counter to actually know it was off, I thought it was just the gearbox.
In the 192 mile journey, 16 miles of it was with the engine off ( mostly long country downhill sections.
You can disable it and start stop by putting it in Sport mode (or as I have , Sport individual with all settings in comfort).
If you can stretch to a later G series 320d I’d go for it. The virtual cockpit / I drive will be much better too. Except for the commute, I suspect you’ll average as good mpg or close enough.
I’m getting 45mpg in busy traffic and 60 on a run easily. A 320d would be even more economical. There were loads of 330e and 530e about and they were miles cheaper, but the possibility of speciality repairs put me and I presume most buyers off. You only need one big bill and years of fuel savings could be lost. Same for any engine to an extent I know.
The MHEV tech is, I have to say, brilliant - I did a 192 mile journey on the weekend on mostly A roads , when you let off the throttle in comfort or eco it coasts the gearbox and actually turns off the engine. It’s seamless and it took being in comfort mode with a rev counter to actually know it was off, I thought it was just the gearbox.
In the 192 mile journey, 16 miles of it was with the engine off ( mostly long country downhill sections.
You can disable it and start stop by putting it in Sport mode (or as I have , Sport individual with all settings in comfort).
If you can stretch to a later G series 320d I’d go for it. The virtual cockpit / I drive will be much better too. Except for the commute, I suspect you’ll average as good mpg or close enough.
Billy_Rosewood said:
You won't get 20 miles from an f30. Most I've managed is 12, some get a little more. So just factor that in.
Still nice to be able to crawl along in traffic on battery only though. Or warm/cool the car before you get in
Ok that’s really helpful actually - probably means it won’t be as ‘all electric’ as I’m thinking, but still fairly close. Still nice to be able to crawl along in traffic on battery only though. Or warm/cool the car before you get in
Mouse Rat said:
The 330e is a nice car and the difference between the 2 is range. The boot space isn't great.
Also consider a Golf GTE. It's the better hybrid IMO.
Yes did look at GTE - got 2 kids so really didn’t want less space in the boot than I already have in my Astra which is the one thing that put me off. Not that I use the full boot a lot - but want a bit more space at least.Also consider a Golf GTE. It's the better hybrid IMO.
joropug said:
FWIW I just picked up a 2020 520d mhev i.e mild hybrid 48v thing.
I’m getting 45mpg in busy traffic and 60 on a run easily. A 320d would be even more economical. There were loads of 330e and 530e about and they were miles cheaper, but the possibility of speciality repairs put me and I presume most buyers off. You only need one big bill and years of fuel savings could be lost. Same for any engine to an extent I know.
The MHEV tech is, I have to say, brilliant - I did a 192 mile journey on the weekend on mostly A roads , when you let off the throttle in comfort or eco it coasts the gearbox and actually turns off the engine. It’s seamless and it took being in comfort mode with a rev counter to actually know it was off, I thought it was just the gearbox.
In the 192 mile journey, 16 miles of it was with the engine off ( mostly long country downhill sections.
You can disable it and start stop by putting it in Sport mode (or as I have , Sport individual with all settings in comfort).
If you can stretch to a later G series 320d I’d go for it. The virtual cockpit / I drive will be much better too. Except for the commute, I suspect you’ll average as good mpg or close enough.
Ok sounds interesting that - not considered this model or diesels in general mainly due to fact I am a generally low mileage per trip driver with occasional exceptions. Guess I shouldn’t rule out completely. I’m getting 45mpg in busy traffic and 60 on a run easily. A 320d would be even more economical. There were loads of 330e and 530e about and they were miles cheaper, but the possibility of speciality repairs put me and I presume most buyers off. You only need one big bill and years of fuel savings could be lost. Same for any engine to an extent I know.
The MHEV tech is, I have to say, brilliant - I did a 192 mile journey on the weekend on mostly A roads , when you let off the throttle in comfort or eco it coasts the gearbox and actually turns off the engine. It’s seamless and it took being in comfort mode with a rev counter to actually know it was off, I thought it was just the gearbox.
In the 192 mile journey, 16 miles of it was with the engine off ( mostly long country downhill sections.
You can disable it and start stop by putting it in Sport mode (or as I have , Sport individual with all settings in comfort).
If you can stretch to a later G series 320d I’d go for it. The virtual cockpit / I drive will be much better too. Except for the commute, I suspect you’ll average as good mpg or close enough.
Thanks all, it is tough to make a decision isn’t it - well for me it is, research everything to death
Jungleland said:
Currently considering a 330e used - around the £15k mark as the next car.
Aside from the obvious, as in I assume the 12kWh will have a larger range on EV only, is there any specific reasons I should fork out a bit more money for one of the later models with the 12?
My usage will be mostly fairly short commutes (between 7-15 miles total per day, with a short 1-junction motorway blast on the longer commute which is likely use the petrol on)- I would charge overnight at home. Other usage would predominantly be sub-20 mile jaunts.
Basically I can save a decent amount of money if I go for a 7.6 model and just being new to understanding EV type stuff wondered if there are any other factors I needs to be aware of.
Sorry if this is a daft question but I really don’t want to spend money I don’t need to!
I had a 330e G20 from new and could get close to 40 miles from the electric motor. Great car and I charged it from a trickle charger overnight as others are suggesting. Aside from the obvious, as in I assume the 12kWh will have a larger range on EV only, is there any specific reasons I should fork out a bit more money for one of the later models with the 12?
My usage will be mostly fairly short commutes (between 7-15 miles total per day, with a short 1-junction motorway blast on the longer commute which is likely use the petrol on)- I would charge overnight at home. Other usage would predominantly be sub-20 mile jaunts.
Basically I can save a decent amount of money if I go for a 7.6 model and just being new to understanding EV type stuff wondered if there are any other factors I needs to be aware of.
Sorry if this is a daft question but I really don’t want to spend money I don’t need to!
On longer trips, using the sat nav to choose the drive mode, I could achieve 80+ mpg.
I’ve also owned a 320i G20 and this was also a great car and could do c 45-50mpg if driven below 70 mph. It was certainly better than my current diesel Mercedes.
The 330e and 320i were both great cars but I think I’d side with a 320i for OP’s budget. The 330e throwing a wobbly could result in a much larger bill than a 320i, I suspect.
Let us know what you buy OP and enjoy. They are great cars.
ETA. A colleague had a 530e and the pressurised fuel cap system broke. The fuel tank had to be removed from the chassis and it was a big job. It took nearly 12 months to get the parts, in the meantime the fuel cap was gaffa taped closed on a brand new car. This is just an example of the technology in the hybrids that you don’t want to be repairing outside of warranty…..
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