MG with fake callipers stops better than a GTR And a Lambo

[BDKM]

Fake callipers or not stops better than a Lamborghini and a GTR….

https://youtu.be/yF9ksaXfUGg?si=yGfJDD7brTrzXqLF

Can someone please explain to me how an MG with fake callipers stops better? What’s the explanation ? I’m not sarcastic I’m honestly curious ?

It’s right at the end of the video after the drag races , are big red callipers basically just for show ?

I can understand the straight line drag races as it’s an electric vs petrol ….. but surely some crappy fake caliper Chinese car can’t stop better than a GTR and a lambo ….

Edited by BDKM on Thursday 4th January 09:54

[kambites]

It doesn't really have "fake calipers", it has real calipers with a cover over the top. It's not really any different than the plastic covers all manufacturers put over their engines these days; it doesn't make the engine itself fake.

[BenS94]

Because it has some beefy brakes under the fake calipers.

[BDKM]

I wonder how much the brakes cost on the GTR and Lambo vs the MG ….and could it be that the MG has newer tyres so they’ll be more sticky ?

Yeah I know it has real callipers , I didn’t put it right maybe plastic fake wannabe brembo callipers ? I don’t know still my mind is blown

Edited by BDKM on Thursday 4th January 09:59

[J4CKO]

BDKM said:

Fake callipers or not stops better than a Lamborghini and a GTR….

https://youtu.be/yF9ksaXfUGg?si=yGfJDD7brTrzXqLF

Can someone please explain to me how an MG with fake callipers stops better? What’s the explanation ? I’m not sarcastic I’m honestly curious ?

It’s right at the end of the video after the drag races , are big red callipers basically just for show ?

The calipers are real, they just have a cover on to make them look prettier.

The Lambo and the GTR are older cars and we dont know what state of repair they are in, we dont know what tyres and brakes they have on and the MG is brand new with brand new tyres and brakes. So many variables, its difficult to pinpoint why but braking is a great leveller, try it over ten hard stops and thats when the real test happens.

[Scrump]

BenS94 said:

Because it has some beefy brakes under the fake calipers.

Plus I suspect there is some braking force from the electric motors running regen.

[BDKM]

J4CKO said:

BDKM said:

Fake callipers or not stops better than a Lamborghini and a GTR….

https://youtu.be/yF9ksaXfUGg?si=yGfJDD7brTrzXqLF

Can someone please explain to me how an MG with fake callipers stops better? What’s the explanation ? I’m not sarcastic I’m honestly curious ?

It’s right at the end of the video after the drag races , are big red callipers basically just for show ?

The calipers are real, they just have a cover on to make them look prettier.

The Lambo and the GTR are older cars and we dont know what state of repair they are in, we dont know what tyres and brakes they have on and the MG is brand new with brand new tyres and brakes. So many variables, its difficult to pinpoint why but braking is a great leveller, try it over ten hard stops and thats when the real test happens.

This one stop means nothing…..thanks.

[kambites]

Also worth noting that any modern car can lock its wheels on a single stop from high speed. The only reason for installing "better brakes" is either to improve feel approaching the limit of grip or to reduce fade when doing multiple heavy stops in quick succession so "good brakes" don't really make you stop faster in this sort of test. Braking distances come down primarily to the quality of the ABS system and the tyres.

EVs can do much cleverer things with ABS than ICE vehicles because they can use the motor/generator as well as the friction brakes to control torque. Whether they do, I don't know.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 4th January 10:08

[kambites]

BDKM said:

This one stop means nothing…..thanks.

I guess that depends what you're using the car for. Arguably "one stop" means everything for safety when driving on the road (unless you're doing long mountain descents, but the EV probably wouldn't even use its friction brakes on most mountain descents).

I suspect the MG would suffer on track but that's utterly irrelevant to 99% of drivers.

[fatbutt]

Depending on how you set up the drive for an electric motor, it is technically possible to tell the motor to apply all it's force to achieve 0 speed. We used this technique to control 2000te reels on pipelay vessels. We only applied the brake after zero speed had been achieved, mainly as a passive parking brake.

The 'braking' isn't the issue here as an electric drivetrain will stop far quicker and with more force than an ice drivetrain. The issue is more about mass and locking the wheels/ loss of grip. There will be some good ABS working in the background. Ignore the brakes, they could be tiny if you use the motor; it's the software that is how any EV will out brake the alternatives

[BDKM]

I was a big electric car hater but that video made me realise that ICE is obsolete and electric is the future ….. my mind was blow that a car so cheap is capable of that performance I’m a believer now…

Who gives fk about engine noise when for 36k you can get 430 bhp and 600nm that is absolutely insane ….

This car changed everything for me turned my world upside down

At the end of the video I wanted it to miserably fail on the braking comparison …… I was like here we go hahaha ….and then……fk me…


We’re basically watching the first ice cars competing with horse drawn carriages except the cars are cheaper than the carriages….

How can you watch that video and tell me that ICE is not obsolete ?

Edited by BDKM on Thursday 4th January 10:17

[bigothunter]

MG has superior ABS modulation through more developed software calibration. Also the MG's tyres must have comparable dry adhesion longitudinally.

Even with a fancy brake package, you don't stop quickly without decent tyres (and road surface mu).

[bigothunter]

BDKM said:

I was a big electric car hater but that video made me realise that ICE is obsolete and electric is the future ….. my mind was blow that a car so cheap is capable of that performance I’m a believer now…

Who gives fk about engine noise when for 36k you can get 430 bhp and 600nm that is absolutely insane ….

This car changed everything for me turned my world upside down

Electric traction is superior in virtually every respect.

Batteries aren't. But they are ok if you can live with their range, charging and energy density characteristics.

[BDKM]

bigothunter said:

BDKM said:

I was a big electric car hater but that video made me realise that ICE is obsolete and electric is the future ….. my mind was blow that a car so cheap is capable of that performance I’m a believer now…

Who gives fk about engine noise when for 36k you can get 430 bhp and 600nm that is absolutely insane ….

This car changed everything for me turned my world upside down

Electric traction is superior in virtually every respect.

Batteries aren't. But they are ok if you can live with their range, charging and energy density characteristics.

I get it but after this I can’t look at a M3 RS STI GTR whatever the same when a 35k Chinese electric car that looks like a fking shoe outperforms them for half the price…..

Imagine sitting a in traffic flexing your pops and bangs M3 and you get owned by a bright orange MG with fake callipers

(I am going admit I do like a bit of traffic light GP every now and then all within the legal limits of course ….)

Edited by BDKM on Thursday 4th January 10:24

[fatbutt]

I see batteries as the current solution which will be superceded as tech progresses.

[Baldchap]

Only if your entire world view of cars is a single drag and a single stop.

[BDKM]

Baldchap said:

Only if your entire world view of cars is a single drag and a single stop.

My entire world view has been turned upside down by 430Bhp and 600nm for 35k to be honest

If I have 35k and am going to buy a car as a petrol head ….how can I buy something else ? Or pay double for less performance ?

Edited by BDKM on Thursday 4th January 10:29

[GroundEffect]

Because braking is not governed by the brakes.


That may sound odd, but braking performance is more to do with weight transfer, and tyre performance.

[bigothunter]

GroundEffect said:

Because braking is not governed by the brakes.


That may sound odd, but braking performance is more to do with weight transfer, and tyre performance.

Can you explain how weight transfer affects braking performance?

[bigothunter]

fatbutt said:

I see batteries as the current solution which will be superceded as tech progresses.

Rather like nuclear fusion