Interesting insight into a long weekend trip
Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqVFTEFvSBA
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. I can't honestly believe how bad it were for the EV. The cost and the time is a joke, let alone chargers not even been able to provide full charge.
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. I can't honestly believe how bad it were for the EV. The cost and the time is a joke, let alone chargers not even been able to provide full charge.
If you watch the video they point out the fact that the infrastructure isn't able to meet the demand. The fact that at their time of travel, with it been school holidays, a lot of chargers taken up. Which is usually the case as a lot of people are doing UK holidays still. This is a valid point. Then the ridiculous cost variations as well.
I'm all for EVs and looking to get the other half one as the miles she does is very little. Would be perfect but seem as we do a lot of UK holidays, it seems the better option would be for us to use my diesel still. I were hoping not to as diesel prices are going up.
I'm all for EVs and looking to get the other half one as the miles she does is very little. Would be perfect but seem as we do a lot of UK holidays, it seems the better option would be for us to use my diesel still. I were hoping not to as diesel prices are going up.
Muzzer79 said:
Oh good
Another thread about a YouTuber taking an EV on a massive long journey and being surprised at how impractical it is.
Quite - EVs are hopeless as family car aren't they, who on earth could use them for holiday road trips during school/summer holidays. I mean you have to be mad, better to get a hydrogen fuel cell car Another thread about a YouTuber taking an EV on a massive long journey and being surprised at how impractical it is.
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Even more crazy, TWO families going on a school holiday road trips in EVs that involved needing to catch ferries.....WTF.
Ankh87 said:
If you watch the video they point out the fact that the infrastructure isn't able to meet the demand. The fact that at their time of travel, with it been school holidays, a lot of chargers taken up. Which is usually the case as a lot of people are doing UK holidays still. This is a valid point. Then the ridiculous cost variations as well.
I'm all for EVs and looking to get the other half one as the miles she does is very little. Would be perfect but seem as we do a lot of UK holidays, it seems the better option would be for us to use my diesel still. I were hoping not to as diesel prices are going up.
This is not new information though.I'm all for EVs and looking to get the other half one as the miles she does is very little. Would be perfect but seem as we do a lot of UK holidays, it seems the better option would be for us to use my diesel still. I were hoping not to as diesel prices are going up.
Everyone knows that the infrastructure isn't where it needs to be.
That's why EVs are only truly as practical as ICE if one has a home charger and one's round trip journeys are within the car's range.
This usage case is the situation for an awful lot of people, which is why EVs are a popular and practical mode of transport.
What they are not, however, is an easy solution for long journeys.
FFS, that Geoff buys cars clown again. Well known anti-EV click-baiter and conspiracy theorist loon deliberately setting out to fail for the clicks.
Let’s run the test again in an ICE car with comparable performance to a Taycan. AMG, RS, M, etc. see how they get on. Or flip it around and a long range Tesla model 3.
Let’s run the test again in an ICE car with comparable performance to a Taycan. AMG, RS, M, etc. see how they get on. Or flip it around and a long range Tesla model 3.
Watched it yesterday
c10hrs longer in the EV and £259 vs £122 fuelling/electric cost in the diesel favour.
Yes the many EV fans in the thread and future posts will sing the praises "I'm alright jack, works for me on my use profile" but for those that can't charge at home or do long family trips then EVs are absolute rubbish at achieving the objective with the infrastructure we have in place, and seemingly that infrastructure is getting worse with more EVs on the road (not enough of it, breakages, charge speeds).
Sure, the EVs themselves are a great piece of technology, but not the right technology for cars generally. Yes for city run abouts, no for everything else. Chocolate radiator, ejector seat in a helicopter, solar power torch springs to mind: all lovely items but wouldn't be of any use to many.
c10hrs longer in the EV and £259 vs £122 fuelling/electric cost in the diesel favour.
Yes the many EV fans in the thread and future posts will sing the praises "I'm alright jack, works for me on my use profile" but for those that can't charge at home or do long family trips then EVs are absolute rubbish at achieving the objective with the infrastructure we have in place, and seemingly that infrastructure is getting worse with more EVs on the road (not enough of it, breakages, charge speeds).
Sure, the EVs themselves are a great piece of technology, but not the right technology for cars generally. Yes for city run abouts, no for everything else. Chocolate radiator, ejector seat in a helicopter, solar power torch springs to mind: all lovely items but wouldn't be of any use to many.
Muzzer79 said:
Ankh87 said:
If you watch the video they point out the fact that the infrastructure isn't able to meet the demand. The fact that at their time of travel, with it been school holidays, a lot of chargers taken up. Which is usually the case as a lot of people are doing UK holidays still. This is a valid point. Then the ridiculous cost variations as well.
I'm all for EVs and looking to get the other half one as the miles she does is very little. Would be perfect but seem as we do a lot of UK holidays, it seems the better option would be for us to use my diesel still. I were hoping not to as diesel prices are going up.
This is not new information though.I'm all for EVs and looking to get the other half one as the miles she does is very little. Would be perfect but seem as we do a lot of UK holidays, it seems the better option would be for us to use my diesel still. I were hoping not to as diesel prices are going up.
Everyone knows that the infrastructure isn't where it needs to be.
That's why EVs are only truly as practical as ICE if one has a home charger and one's round trip journeys are within the car's range.
This usage case is the situation for an awful lot of people, which is why EVs are a popular and practical mode of transport.
What they are not, however, is an easy solution for long journeys.
7,000 miles in 4 months in my EV including holidays around Devon and Cornwall and South Wales.
Public charging only, not one incident of queuing or 'charger rage'.
Still cheaper than diesel.
VeeReihenmotor6 said:
Watched it yesterday
c10hrs longer in the EV and £259 vs £122 fuelling/electric cost in the diesel favour.
Yes the many EV fans in the thread and future posts will sing the praises "I'm alright jack, works for me on my use profile" but for those that can't charge at home or do long family trips then EVs are absolute rubbish at achieving the objective with the infrastructure we have in place, and seemingly that infrastructure is getting worse with more EVs on the road (not enough of it, breakages, charge speeds).
Sure, the EVs themselves are a great piece of technology, but not the right technology for cars generally. Yes for city run abouts, no for everything else. Chocolate radiator, ejector seat in a helicopter, solar power torch springs to mind: all lovely items but wouldn't be of any use to many.
I can't charge at home and I've done long family trips with zero drama.c10hrs longer in the EV and £259 vs £122 fuelling/electric cost in the diesel favour.
Yes the many EV fans in the thread and future posts will sing the praises "I'm alright jack, works for me on my use profile" but for those that can't charge at home or do long family trips then EVs are absolute rubbish at achieving the objective with the infrastructure we have in place, and seemingly that infrastructure is getting worse with more EVs on the road (not enough of it, breakages, charge speeds).
Sure, the EVs themselves are a great piece of technology, but not the right technology for cars generally. Yes for city run abouts, no for everything else. Chocolate radiator, ejector seat in a helicopter, solar power torch springs to mind: all lovely items but wouldn't be of any use to many.
Just because you fear it doesnt mean it doesnt work.
VeeReihenmotor6 said:
Yes the many EV fans in the thread and future posts will sing the praises "I'm alright jack, works for me on my use profile" but for those that can't charge at home or do long family trips then EVs are absolute rubbish at achieving the objective with the infrastructure we have in place, .
>sigh<So those people without charging at home or who do long family trips shouldn't buy one then.
It's not complicated. If a vehicle doesn't suit your user profile, don't buy it.
I haven't bought a Caterham because it doesn't fit my user profile. I don't make YouTube videos or go on PH complaining that Caterham haven't built a car suitable for my usage.
There are however, millions of people for whom an EV does fit their user profile. Live and let live.
PistonTim said:
Muzzer79 said:
Ankh87 said:
If you watch the video they point out the fact that the infrastructure isn't able to meet the demand. The fact that at their time of travel, with it been school holidays, a lot of chargers taken up. Which is usually the case as a lot of people are doing UK holidays still. This is a valid point. Then the ridiculous cost variations as well.
I'm all for EVs and looking to get the other half one as the miles she does is very little. Would be perfect but seem as we do a lot of UK holidays, it seems the better option would be for us to use my diesel still. I were hoping not to as diesel prices are going up.
This is not new information though.I'm all for EVs and looking to get the other half one as the miles she does is very little. Would be perfect but seem as we do a lot of UK holidays, it seems the better option would be for us to use my diesel still. I were hoping not to as diesel prices are going up.
Everyone knows that the infrastructure isn't where it needs to be.
That's why EVs are only truly as practical as ICE if one has a home charger and one's round trip journeys are within the car's range.
This usage case is the situation for an awful lot of people, which is why EVs are a popular and practical mode of transport.
What they are not, however, is an easy solution for long journeys.
7,000 miles in 4 months in my EV including holidays around Devon and Cornwall and South Wales.
Public charging only, not one incident of queuing or 'charger rage'.
Still cheaper than diesel.
If you're on a long journey, the length of time to charge isn't as easy as using an ICE-powered car.
But, as I think I've repeatedly pointed out, that doesn't make EVs useless and, in fact, they are a perfectly usable option for most people.
I had one for months and it fitted in to my lifestyle perfectly.
Over the school holidays we did our usual trip from Surrey to Northumberland. With no destination charging we used public chargers for the 7 days and 1050 miles round trip.
Zero problems. NOT ONE.
And that's with a BMW i3s which has a low range of 180 miles (less in the cold weather) and a relatively slow charging speed of 50kwh.
We didn't encounter a single broken charger, nor did we have to queue once.
The infrastructure has expanded since we did this trip last year - loads more chargers, many of the Motorway services had at least six, with some having 12+.
Rugby Services has 40 chargers!
But hey, you trust your click-bait YouTube nonsense.
Zero problems. NOT ONE.
And that's with a BMW i3s which has a low range of 180 miles (less in the cold weather) and a relatively slow charging speed of 50kwh.
We didn't encounter a single broken charger, nor did we have to queue once.
The infrastructure has expanded since we did this trip last year - loads more chargers, many of the Motorway services had at least six, with some having 12+.
Rugby Services has 40 chargers!
But hey, you trust your click-bait YouTube nonsense.
VeeReihenmotor6 said:
Watched it yesterday
c10hrs longer in the EV and £259 vs £122 fuelling/electric cost in the diesel favour.
Yes the many EV fans in the thread and future posts will sing the praises "I'm alright jack, works for me on my use profile" but for those that can't charge at home or do long family trips then EVs are absolute rubbish at achieving the objective with the infrastructure we have in place, and seemingly that infrastructure is getting worse with more EVs on the road (not enough of it, breakages, charge speeds).
Sure, the EVs themselves are a great piece of technology, but not the right technology for cars generally. Yes for city run abouts, no for everything else. Chocolate radiator, ejector seat in a helicopter, solar power torch springs to mind: all lovely items but wouldn't be of any use to many.
Exactly. It seems there major let down is the network and the cost of public chargers. Yes the cars were very offset but still we are talking about an older BMW diesel going up against a fancy Porsche. c10hrs longer in the EV and £259 vs £122 fuelling/electric cost in the diesel favour.
Yes the many EV fans in the thread and future posts will sing the praises "I'm alright jack, works for me on my use profile" but for those that can't charge at home or do long family trips then EVs are absolute rubbish at achieving the objective with the infrastructure we have in place, and seemingly that infrastructure is getting worse with more EVs on the road (not enough of it, breakages, charge speeds).
Sure, the EVs themselves are a great piece of technology, but not the right technology for cars generally. Yes for city run abouts, no for everything else. Chocolate radiator, ejector seat in a helicopter, solar power torch springs to mind: all lovely items but wouldn't be of any use to many.
Granted most people won't ever do this sort of trip but imagine not been able to charge at the hotel you're staying at. Then having to wait 2 hours before you can go home. That is a load of rubbish and shouldn't happen.
VeeReihenmotor6 said:
Sure, the EVs themselves are a great piece of technology, but not the right technology for cars generally. Yes for city run abouts, no for everything else. Chocolate radiator, ejector seat in a helicopter, solar power torch springs to mind: all lovely items but wouldn't be of any use to many.
We did 3000miles in France, Italy, Switzerland this summer holiday with no home charging. Went over Stelvio Pass just for fun with 6 people in a fully loaded car. No issues. But yes EVs are only good for short trips if thats what you choose to believe
.I take issue with the title of the thread as there was nothing remotely interesting or insightful in the video linked, it's exactly what anyone with a working brain would have expected would happen.
The comment section is pure comedy gold as well, you'd struggle to find a better example of confirmation bias anywhere.
The comment section is pure comedy gold as well, you'd struggle to find a better example of confirmation bias anywhere.
Ankh87 said:
Granted most people won't ever do this sort of trip but imagine not been able to charge at the hotel you're staying at.
Then having to wait 2 hours before you can go home. That is a load of rubbish and shouldn't happen.
You realise the absurdity of this statement?Then having to wait 2 hours before you can go home. That is a load of rubbish and shouldn't happen.
You're incredulous about something that, by your own admission, most people will never do. If you can't charge at a hotel, you use a public charger?!
Or, and this is really controversial, you pick a hotel where you can charge.
Imagine if I wrote off the concept of a ICE car on that basis that the petrol station might be out of fuel or not working when you get there?
And why wait 2 hours?
My EV Audi did 20-80% battery in 20 minutes on a fast charger.
It really depends how much you want to try and make it work.
In September I ran an iX M60 to Italy and back doing about 3000 miles the bulk of which took place in 5 driving days.
I'd planned to do the journey in a petrol car originally so already had accommodation bookings made without destination charging in mind, so I had to lean on public charging more than I would have done if planning properly.
If I had to do the same again next week I would take the keys for the EV again. It worked perfectly well, there was no great time lost to charging and the total bill came to about £500 which I passed as a company expense with no BIK liability as opposed to approx £1000 in my M5.
Most of the time we were sat on motorways doing about 85mph and stopping every 3 hours which according to EV sceptics isn't possible.
In September I ran an iX M60 to Italy and back doing about 3000 miles the bulk of which took place in 5 driving days.
I'd planned to do the journey in a petrol car originally so already had accommodation bookings made without destination charging in mind, so I had to lean on public charging more than I would have done if planning properly.
If I had to do the same again next week I would take the keys for the EV again. It worked perfectly well, there was no great time lost to charging and the total bill came to about £500 which I passed as a company expense with no BIK liability as opposed to approx £1000 in my M5.
Most of the time we were sat on motorways doing about 85mph and stopping every 3 hours which according to EV sceptics isn't possible.
theboss said:
Most of the time we were sat on motorways doing about 85mph and stopping every 3 hours which according to EV sceptics isn't possible.
But, hang on - you're forgetting the plethora of ICE-only afficionados who insist that they drive 2000 miles without stopping at all for a break and get annoyed that an EV can't do that 
theboss said:
It really depends how much you want to try and make it work.
Try and make it work? It should just work shouldn't it? Should be as easy as pulling up to a charger if need be and it working. Not having to basically micro manager where you can charge or if there's even charging available. I think that's what the video were pointing out. The ICE had no issues. Could do that with ease. The EV couldn't and that's what they found. Yes it might not be like that for everyone but as time goes on, if the network of chargers doesn't improve and more EVs on the road it will become more difficult.
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