Toyota solid state batteries
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The issue isn't making solid state batteries, it's making them cheap.
Toyota are going to have to somehow leapfrog Tesla, Nissan and every Chinese manufacturer with this tech.
Considering Toyota's anti-ev rhetoric over the last 10 years, it's their head that's been up their jacksie, not that sample.
Toyota are going to have to somehow leapfrog Tesla, Nissan and every Chinese manufacturer with this tech.
Considering Toyota's anti-ev rhetoric over the last 10 years, it's their head that's been up their jacksie, not that sample.
autumnsum said:
The issue isn't making solid state batteries, it's making them cheap.
Toyota are going to have to somehow leapfrog Tesla, Nissan and every Chinese manufacturer with this tech.
Considering Toyota's anti-ev rhetoric over the last 10 years, it's their head that's been up their jacksie, not that sample.
They may have been slow with the EV but they were way before all other makers with PHEV so have decades of battery experience.Toyota are going to have to somehow leapfrog Tesla, Nissan and every Chinese manufacturer with this tech.
Considering Toyota's anti-ev rhetoric over the last 10 years, it's their head that's been up their jacksie, not that sample.
Toyota make a lot of noise about their solid state batteries - but if they were really nearly ready for mass market uptake AND offered a very significant advantage over li-ion, we'd know about it. We'd know because if Toyota cracked that they certainly wouldn't be fannying about with FCEV for private transport still...
TheDeuce said:
Toyota make a lot of noise about their solid state batteries - but if they were really nearly ready for mass market uptake AND offered a very significant advantage over li-ion, we'd know about it. We'd know because if Toyota cracked that they certainly wouldn't be fannying about with FCEV for private transport still...
Seems like a pretty smart move to me. Create hype around the future miracle batteries and sell other stuff in the meantime. 
toyota is no 1 car maker,
their whole business is around ICE cars, even the electric ones keep reliance on an engine.
they make good money from maintaining ICE reliance.
of course they want to hang on as much as possible. However the future is on a battery, quick to charge and decent miles. its a war thats going to be fought and won through battery, thats the real money now. Tesla is fighting to keep on top of this as they will become a battery manufacturer as one the mainstream cars go electric people will want traditional cars by traditional manufacturers, always be a desire for BMW AUDI or MERCEDES etc
their whole business is around ICE cars, even the electric ones keep reliance on an engine.
they make good money from maintaining ICE reliance.
of course they want to hang on as much as possible. However the future is on a battery, quick to charge and decent miles. its a war thats going to be fought and won through battery, thats the real money now. Tesla is fighting to keep on top of this as they will become a battery manufacturer as one the mainstream cars go electric people will want traditional cars by traditional manufacturers, always be a desire for BMW AUDI or MERCEDES etc
ruggedscotty said:
toyota is no 1 car maker,
their whole business is around ICE cars, even the electric ones keep reliance on an engine.
they make good money from maintaining ICE reliance.
of course they want to hang on as much as possible. However the future is on a battery, quick to charge and decent miles. its a war thats going to be fought and won through battery, thats the real money now. Tesla is fighting to keep on top of this as they will become a battery manufacturer as one the mainstream cars go electric people will want traditional cars by traditional manufacturers, always be a desire for BMW AUDI or MERCEDES etc
To be perfectly honest, any of the above could start manufacturing commercially affordable SS cells tomorrow, but they would be heavily compromised in terms of performance - to the extent it's not really worth the shift from li-ion which is still falling in price.their whole business is around ICE cars, even the electric ones keep reliance on an engine.
they make good money from maintaining ICE reliance.
of course they want to hang on as much as possible. However the future is on a battery, quick to charge and decent miles. its a war thats going to be fought and won through battery, thats the real money now. Tesla is fighting to keep on top of this as they will become a battery manufacturer as one the mainstream cars go electric people will want traditional cars by traditional manufacturers, always be a desire for BMW AUDI or MERCEDES etc
I don't think the first significantly better 'game changer' cells will come from Toyota or Tesla. There are other outfits that are receiving unbelievable levels of investment which strongly suggests they're a bit closer the to holy grail: At least double the energy density of Li-ion and effectively no hard limit on charge cycles or speed ahead of meaningful degradation. That's the sort of new cell technology that would transform the world of efficient energy usage, way beyond just EV's.
Mikebentley said:
It's just the perfect answer. Cab forwards, wide track, wheel in each corner... A couple of other EV SUV's are very similar too - because that is the ideal design to get the most from a pure electric platform.But sadly for Toyota, having figured that out, they didn't actually make any proper EV's!! They made some FCEV's which will probably make for great museum exhibits some day. The irony is that to make FCEV packaging work they had to throw away the benefits of EV skateboard packaging and went back to a more traditional ICE layout, minus usable boot space
Anyway, moving forwards, as an automotive giant Toyota now have the same problem VW have. They both make cars for the masses, the 'people's' cars. The Chinese now do that cheaper and increasingly better when it comes to EV. Toyota and VW both share the bulk of the market which the Chinese are aiming at now.
DMZ said:
But if you belong to the 85% of buyers who aren’t buying EVs, then none of that matters of course. Or 92% of the US market, which might be more interesting. Why get involved in a price war when you can just sell the normal stuff at higher margin?
What's that got to do with anything on this thread? The point is that they're pushing a supposed great new battery technology but also investing in FCEV, which would be pointless if their battery tech could actually do what they suggest.None of that has anything to with their traditional ICE sales does it?
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