The beginning of the end of the EV market
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There seems to have been a fire at a multi-story car park last night. Whether or not it was started by an EV, just having them parked there has no doubt contributed to the destruction, by the very nature of the way they combust. The weight of them has been discussed, but it is the overall dynamics of an EV once they catch fire that is the issue. Surely separate parking facilities should be provided to avoid this in the future. There is a reason why insurance premiums on EV's are going through the roof. Soon the risk involved in owning one will reach a tipping point and they become financially toxic?
to be fair - there is a lot of defensive people on another thread saying it wasn't an EV that caused it, maybe. Fact remains they're harder to put out etc.
The problem is - perception is 9/10th reality. It almost doesn't matter what the facts are, people now think EVs are catching fire, and are dangerous when they are.
If you factor in the ridiculously high prices to insure them (and the knock on effect to the rest of the car / bike industry) AND the fact that they're actually really bad for the environment (manufacture etc).
The only argument really is that the air is cleaner in the cities, but are we passing the pollution up the chain.
Personally, I think they're too expensive, not fit for purpose, the infrastructure isn't there to add to the above maybes.
Short of ICE being forced of the road, the market won't stand the test of time.
The problem is - perception is 9/10th reality. It almost doesn't matter what the facts are, people now think EVs are catching fire, and are dangerous when they are.
If you factor in the ridiculously high prices to insure them (and the knock on effect to the rest of the car / bike industry) AND the fact that they're actually really bad for the environment (manufacture etc).
The only argument really is that the air is cleaner in the cities, but are we passing the pollution up the chain.
Personally, I think they're too expensive, not fit for purpose, the infrastructure isn't there to add to the above maybes.
Short of ICE being forced of the road, the market won't stand the test of time.
There is footage online appearing to show a conventional ICE car as the source of the fire
https://twitter.com/EmilyDegnan_X/status/171200344...
Given that the whole carpark went up, there's nothing to suggest that the fire as it occurred was in any way related to the presence of EVs in the carpark, or that it wouldn't have burned in exactly the same way if it was full of ICEs only.
https://twitter.com/EmilyDegnan_X/status/171200344...
Given that the whole carpark went up, there's nothing to suggest that the fire as it occurred was in any way related to the presence of EVs in the carpark, or that it wouldn't have burned in exactly the same way if it was full of ICEs only.
The Selfish Gene said:
to be fair - there is a lot of defensive people on another thread saying it wasn't an EV that caused it, maybe. Fact remains they're harder to put out etc.
The problem is - perception is 9/10th reality. It almost doesn't matter what the facts are, people now think EVs are catching fire, and are dangerous when they are.
If you factor in the ridiculously high prices to insure them (and the knock on effect to the rest of the car / bike industry) AND the fact that they're actually really bad for the environment (manufacture etc).
The only argument really is that the air is cleaner in the cities, but are we passing the pollution up the chain.
Personally, I think they're too expensive, not fit for purpose, the infrastructure isn't there to add to the above maybes.
Short of ICE being forced of the road, the market won't stand the test of time.
Wow, that shows olympic levels of ignorance. Well done!The problem is - perception is 9/10th reality. It almost doesn't matter what the facts are, people now think EVs are catching fire, and are dangerous when they are.
If you factor in the ridiculously high prices to insure them (and the knock on effect to the rest of the car / bike industry) AND the fact that they're actually really bad for the environment (manufacture etc).
The only argument really is that the air is cleaner in the cities, but are we passing the pollution up the chain.
Personally, I think they're too expensive, not fit for purpose, the infrastructure isn't there to add to the above maybes.
Short of ICE being forced of the road, the market won't stand the test of time.
The Selfish Gene said:
to be fair - there is a lot of defensive people on another thread saying it wasn't an EV that caused it, maybe. Fact remains they're harder to put out etc.
The problem is - perception is 9/10th reality. It almost doesn't matter what the facts are, people now think EVs are catching fire, and are dangerous when they are.
If you factor in the ridiculously high prices to insure them (and the knock on effect to the rest of the car / bike industry) AND the fact that they're actually really bad for the environment (manufacture etc).
The only argument really is that the air is cleaner in the cities, but are we passing the pollution up the chain.
Personally, I think they're too expensive, not fit for purpose, the infrastructure isn't there to add to the above maybes.
Short of ICE being forced of the road, the market won't stand the test of time.
Surely almost a full house on the EV bingo card!The problem is - perception is 9/10th reality. It almost doesn't matter what the facts are, people now think EVs are catching fire, and are dangerous when they are.
If you factor in the ridiculously high prices to insure them (and the knock on effect to the rest of the car / bike industry) AND the fact that they're actually really bad for the environment (manufacture etc).
The only argument really is that the air is cleaner in the cities, but are we passing the pollution up the chain.
Personally, I think they're too expensive, not fit for purpose, the infrastructure isn't there to add to the above maybes.
Short of ICE being forced of the road, the market won't stand the test of time.
This is why the likes of the Daily Mail publish what they do because it appeals to the hard of thinking!
As for the subject, no, its the end of the beginning as EVs are becoming more and more popular.
The Selfish Gene said:
to be fair - there is a lot of defensive people on another thread saying it wasn't an EV that caused it, maybe. Fact remains they're harder to put out etc.
The problem is - perception is 9/10th reality. It almost doesn't matter what the facts are, people now think EVs are catching fire, and are dangerous when they are.
If you factor in the ridiculously high prices to insure them (and the knock on effect to the rest of the car / bike industry) AND the fact that they're actually really bad for the environment (manufacture etc).
The only argument really is that the air is cleaner in the cities, but are we passing the pollution up the chain.
Personally, I think they're too expensive, not fit for purpose, the infrastructure isn't there to add to the above maybes.
Short of ICE being forced of the road, the market won't stand the test of time.
When I read this I thought about getting a text to audio to say it aloud but slowed down to 0.5x speed for the full stupid effect. The problem is - perception is 9/10th reality. It almost doesn't matter what the facts are, people now think EVs are catching fire, and are dangerous when they are.
If you factor in the ridiculously high prices to insure them (and the knock on effect to the rest of the car / bike industry) AND the fact that they're actually really bad for the environment (manufacture etc).
The only argument really is that the air is cleaner in the cities, but are we passing the pollution up the chain.
Personally, I think they're too expensive, not fit for purpose, the infrastructure isn't there to add to the above maybes.
Short of ICE being forced of the road, the market won't stand the test of time.
And of course petrol and diesel are not at all flammable.
You do have to wonder about the motivation behind the endless anti-EV stories running across various media outlets. The Sun seems to run an anti-EV story every day, usually a complete non-story - see their piece linked to Bjorn Nyland.
As soon I'd heard about the Luton fire I figured it would be inevitable that the finger would be pointed at an EV battery fire.
The EV market is just getting started. I'm having to daily my petrol Merc shed now my Tesla's gone back and its f**king painful. Given the choice between £80/90 to fill up with petrol and £5 of cheap rate charging I know which I prefer.
You do have to wonder about the motivation behind the endless anti-EV stories running across various media outlets. The Sun seems to run an anti-EV story every day, usually a complete non-story - see their piece linked to Bjorn Nyland.
As soon I'd heard about the Luton fire I figured it would be inevitable that the finger would be pointed at an EV battery fire.
The EV market is just getting started. I'm having to daily my petrol Merc shed now my Tesla's gone back and its f**king painful. Given the choice between £80/90 to fill up with petrol and £5 of cheap rate charging I know which I prefer.
The Selfish Gene said:
to be fair - there is a lot of defensive people on another thread saying it wasn't an EV that caused it, maybe. Fact remains they're harder to put out etc.
The problem is - perception is 9/10th reality. It almost doesn't matter what the facts are, people now think EVs are catching fire, and are dangerous when they are.
If you factor in the ridiculously high prices to insure them (and the knock on effect to the rest of the car / bike industry) AND the fact that they're actually really bad for the environment (manufacture etc).
The only argument really is that the air is cleaner in the cities, but are we passing the pollution up the chain.
Personally, I think they're too expensive, not fit for purpose, the infrastructure isn't there to add to the above maybes.
Short of ICE being forced of the road, the market won't stand the test of time.
I'm sure GT9 has provided loads of data that shows that EV's are not really bad for the environment compared to ICE.The problem is - perception is 9/10th reality. It almost doesn't matter what the facts are, people now think EVs are catching fire, and are dangerous when they are.
If you factor in the ridiculously high prices to insure them (and the knock on effect to the rest of the car / bike industry) AND the fact that they're actually really bad for the environment (manufacture etc).
The only argument really is that the air is cleaner in the cities, but are we passing the pollution up the chain.
Personally, I think they're too expensive, not fit for purpose, the infrastructure isn't there to add to the above maybes.
Short of ICE being forced of the road, the market won't stand the test of time.
Also, ridiculously high insurance? You'll find that they're on par with many other similar ICE vehicles. Some insurance companies might quote you silly prices, but they do that for ICE too when they don't want you as a customer. For context, my Tesla is £850 a year. A BMW M340i would be £800, hardly ridiculously high it is?
Or how about a Peugeot 208 vs an e208? £405 vs £495 to insure. Again, hardly ridiculously higher than the ICE equivalent is it? I did check the other day, and the price wasn't as big.
Edited by TheBinarySheep on Wednesday 11th October 11:48
I’m amazed how many people are absolutely petrified of electric cars. The amount of threads where people are desperately predicting the end of this, or making up the most painfully irrelevant reasons that all EVs should be destroyed immediately is astonishing.
Even the OP here admits they have no idea what started the fire but is determined to make sure it’s an EV problem no matter what.
Even the OP here admits they have no idea what started the fire but is determined to make sure it’s an EV problem no matter what.
tinyboytim said:
There seems to have been a fire at a multi-story car park last night. Whether or not it was started by an EV, just having them parked there has no doubt contributed to the destruction, by the very nature of the way they combust. The weight of them has been discussed, but it is the overall dynamics of an EV once they catch fire that is the issue. Surely separate parking facilities should be provided to avoid this in the future. There is a reason why insurance premiums on EV's are going through the roof. Soon the risk involved in owning one will reach a tipping point and they become financially toxic?
Well, well, it only took an hour and your post has aged like milk.Jokingly, I said on the NPE thread that maybe it's time diesels are banned from multi-storey car parks.
I'm tempted to suggest that seriously now, just to continue with the theme of f
kwittery posts on this thread.In other news, there is a dreadful shortage of tissues at the Sun today due to an outbreak of eye-drying.
samoht said:
There is footage online appearing to show a conventional ICE car as the source of the fire
https://twitter.com/EmilyDegnan_X/status/171200344...
Given that the whole carpark went up, there's nothing to suggest that the fire as it occurred was in any way related to the presence of EVs in the carpark, or that it wouldn't have burned in exactly the same way if it was full of ICEs only.
That looks like a Discovery.https://twitter.com/EmilyDegnan_X/status/171200344...
Given that the whole carpark went up, there's nothing to suggest that the fire as it occurred was in any way related to the presence of EVs in the carpark, or that it wouldn't have burned in exactly the same way if it was full of ICEs only.
samoht said:
There is footage online appearing to show a conventional ICE car as the source of the fire
https://twitter.com/EmilyDegnan_X/status/171200344...
Given that the whole carpark went up, there's nothing to suggest that the fire as it occurred was in any way related to the presence of EVs in the carpark, or that it wouldn't have burned in exactly the same way if it was full of ICEs only.
Need a clearer image to get the reg number?https://twitter.com/EmilyDegnan_X/status/171200344...
Given that the whole carpark went up, there's nothing to suggest that the fire as it occurred was in any way related to the presence of EVs in the carpark, or that it wouldn't have burned in exactly the same way if it was full of ICEs only.
Strange how rear lights are lit up?
The insurance bills going to be huge & awaits confirmation on model as we can all guess the make
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