Stop Burning Stuff
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Wanted to post this in General Gassing, as it’s preaching to the converted in the EV forum, but it’ll just get moved.
Fully Charged launched their Stop Burning Stuff campaign against misinformation this week, unfortunately on the same day Rishi made his big announcement.
A video of the launch and myth-busting session is here… the representative from National Grid, and the audience members from a couple of big car leasing firms are particularly worth listening to.
And the manifesto is here…
https://fullycharged.show/wp-content/uploads/2021/...
I really hope this gains some traction. I’m bunging a fiver in through Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/STOPBurningStuff
Fully Charged launched their Stop Burning Stuff campaign against misinformation this week, unfortunately on the same day Rishi made his big announcement.
A video of the launch and myth-busting session is here… the representative from National Grid, and the audience members from a couple of big car leasing firms are particularly worth listening to.
And the manifesto is here…
https://fullycharged.show/wp-content/uploads/2021/...
I really hope this gains some traction. I’m bunging a fiver in through Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/STOPBurningStuff
Edited by CheesecakeRunner on Sunday 1st October 08:00
I understand that's the intention, however it doesn't do anything that isn't already being done by other sources. The "manifesto" is just a sales brochure preceded by the same publicly available data that the BBC and other reputable outlets have been telling the public for some time.
Are you suggesting that they're intending to do battle for the hearts and minds of the tinfoil hat brigade? Because I fear I may have some bad news for them in that aspiration.
Are you suggesting that they're intending to do battle for the hearts and minds of the tinfoil hat brigade? Because I fear I may have some bad news for them in that aspiration.
What other sources? The BBC certainly isn’t debunking misinformation about electrification.
The Guardian seems to be about the only mainstream press publishing anything positive. None of the centre or right press are.
And they’re not trying to convince the tinfoil hat bridge. They trying to ensure that normal average people understand that the grid can cope. That car parks aren’t going to fall down. That their car isn’t going to catch fire every day. That you can do a long journey without much hassle. That EVs are measurably cheaper to run than an ICE vehicle. That they don’t take a million miles to pay back their carbon debt.
The Guardian seems to be about the only mainstream press publishing anything positive. None of the centre or right press are.
And they’re not trying to convince the tinfoil hat bridge. They trying to ensure that normal average people understand that the grid can cope. That car parks aren’t going to fall down. That their car isn’t going to catch fire every day. That you can do a long journey without much hassle. That EVs are measurably cheaper to run than an ICE vehicle. That they don’t take a million miles to pay back their carbon debt.
CheesecakeRunner said:
Perhaps you should have watched more than just the introductions of the speakers then and actually listened to what they had to say.
Not really. They made clear their position in the first two minutes. In fact "Stop Burning Stuff" is a bit of a spoiler. If they later deviated from that it's their loss, frankly, they are professional presenters and should know better.
It's an hour long. I have better things to do with an hour.
And there we have the problem in a nutshell of two posts. “I’ll spout an incorrect opinion on something I know absolutely nothing about because social media gives me a platform to do so”.
Fair enough, you don’t want to spend time watching an hour long video. That’s fine. But you are then in no position to make any argument on the content of the video. Because you don’t know what they said.
Fair enough, you don’t want to spend time watching an hour long video. That’s fine. But you are then in no position to make any argument on the content of the video. Because you don’t know what they said.
CheesecakeRunner said:
And there we have the problem in a nutshell of two posts. “I’ll spout an incorrect opinion on something I know absolutely nothing about because social media gives me a platform to do so”.
Fair enough, you don’t want to spend time watching an hour long video. That’s fine. But you are then in no position to make any argument on the content of the video. Because you don’t know what they said.
Here's your chance to shine then. Precis what they said in a paragraph.Fair enough, you don’t want to spend time watching an hour long video. That’s fine. But you are then in no position to make any argument on the content of the video. Because you don’t know what they said.
What’s the point? You could just read the description on the video. Whatever I type isn’t going to change your mind.
The point is not to have a synopsis, or a precis, or any other sort of summary because someone!s attention span is only a few seconds and they want spoon-feeding. The point is to actually take time to listen to, or read, fully formed arguments and information. Then people on all sides of the debate may learn something and we’ll remove just a little bit of ignorance from society.
The point is not to have a synopsis, or a precis, or any other sort of summary because someone!s attention span is only a few seconds and they want spoon-feeding. The point is to actually take time to listen to, or read, fully formed arguments and information. Then people on all sides of the debate may learn something and we’ll remove just a little bit of ignorance from society.
If a presenter can't even be arsed to pay attention, what hope does the rest of us have?
This is about the rudest thing you can do as a panalist
I tried to watch it, but the constant scoffing and smug grins made it hard going.
What was interesting was Lex auto lease has 165000 EVs on the books, which must be around 1/3 of all sold in the last three years
This is about the rudest thing you can do as a panalist
I tried to watch it, but the constant scoffing and smug grins made it hard going.
What was interesting was Lex auto lease has 165000 EVs on the books, which must be around 1/3 of all sold in the last three years
CheesecakeRunner said:
What’s the point? You could just read the description on the video. Whatever I type isn’t going to change your mind.
The point is not to have a synopsis, or a precis, or any other sort of summary because someone!s attention span is only a few seconds and they want spoon-feeding. The point is to actually take time to listen to, or read, fully formed arguments and information. Then people on all sides of the debate may learn something and we’ll remove just a little bit of ignorance from society.
You're unlikely to be able to offend someone into agreeing with you. The 'everyone has to agree with me or they're an idiot' brigade do nothing to help the uptake of EVs. I occasionally wonder if they know how harmful they are but can't see it or actually see their ego trip for what it is.The point is not to have a synopsis, or a precis, or any other sort of summary because someone!s attention span is only a few seconds and they want spoon-feeding. The point is to actually take time to listen to, or read, fully formed arguments and information. Then people on all sides of the debate may learn something and we’ll remove just a little bit of ignorance from society.
If EVs are so much better they will naturally become more prevalent whether TV presenters get their appearance fee or not.
Richard-D said:
If EVs are so much better they will naturally become more prevalent whether TV presenters get their appearance fee or not.
I think you underestimate the power of propaganda. The oil industry doesn't spend billions bribing the mainstream press and politicians to push lies and half-truths about anything that threatens them for amusement value. kambites said:
Richard-D said:
If EVs are so much better they will naturally become more prevalent whether TV presenters get their appearance fee or not.
I think you underestimate the power of propaganda. The oil industry doesn't spend billions bribing the mainstream press and politicians to push lies and half-truths about anything that threatens them for amusement value. Richard-D said:
kambites said:
Richard-D said:
If EVs are so much better they will naturally become more prevalent whether TV presenters get their appearance fee or not.
I think you underestimate the power of propaganda. The oil industry doesn't spend billions bribing the mainstream press and politicians to push lies and half-truths about anything that threatens them for amusement value. I've been offered one of their hybrids and I am chewing it over as a proposition. I have yet to do any research at all really, but a question that springs to mind is - what happens when battery becomes so degraded that it's u/s? I presume that whoever owns the car at that point has to pay for a new one. I cannot think that will be cheap.
Louis Balfour said:
I was at the factory of a very high end car manufacturer earlier this month, being ferried about in a hybrid. The conversation around EVs suggested that they don't consider them a long-term proposition, more an interim measure.
I've been offered one of their hybrids and I am chewing it over as a proposition. I have yet to do any research at all really, but a question that springs to mind is - what happens when battery becomes so degraded that it's u/s? I presume that whoever owns the car at that point has to pay for a new one. I cannot think that will be cheap.
Was it the hybrids or the EVs that they considered to be an interim measure? Could be read either way to me.I've been offered one of their hybrids and I am chewing it over as a proposition. I have yet to do any research at all really, but a question that springs to mind is - what happens when battery becomes so degraded that it's u/s? I presume that whoever owns the car at that point has to pay for a new one. I cannot think that will be cheap.
I don't like the idea of hybrids from a maintenance perspective.
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