BMW i4 M50 or Mustang Mach-e GT
Discussion
I didn’t know whether to post this here or in car buying. I settled on here as both are ev’s.
So which one? I’ve driven and really like both. The BMW is a bit more expensive as it needed extras but there’s not much in it. Interestingly although the Mustang comes fully loaded it’s a fair bit more to insure.
Decisions, decisions.
Any thoughts?
So which one? I’ve driven and really like both. The BMW is a bit more expensive as it needed extras but there’s not much in it. Interestingly although the Mustang comes fully loaded it’s a fair bit more to insure.
Decisions, decisions.
Any thoughts?
I haven't driven the Mustang, but I've had a good look at a high spec GT interior and I wasn't that impressed to be honest.. the BMW interior is nicer, it feels like a lot more thought into it. As the M50 is a GT it has the 4 doors and hatchback, it's arguably just as practical as the Mustang SUV.
As an amazing coincidence I picked up my new M50 a couple of hours ago, and have had time to really get a feel for it on roads I know very well. It's an exciting and highly proficient car. It's definitely a car that encourages you to push it and it really dials in when you do. When you're not pushing it, it feels soft and calm to the point you wouldn't believe it had such capability.
I don't know for sure as I haven't driven one, but I would be very surprised if the mach-e GT ventures quite as far into 'drivers car' territory as the beemer. What did you think?
For spec I added the 20" wheels which also adds in the M brakes and chassis tweaks. The only other addition was the tech plus pack - which imo is vital if you want to unleash the tech. The self driving is extremely good and goes beyond the capability BMW promise.
As an amazing coincidence I picked up my new M50 a couple of hours ago, and have had time to really get a feel for it on roads I know very well. It's an exciting and highly proficient car. It's definitely a car that encourages you to push it and it really dials in when you do. When you're not pushing it, it feels soft and calm to the point you wouldn't believe it had such capability.
I don't know for sure as I haven't driven one, but I would be very surprised if the mach-e GT ventures quite as far into 'drivers car' territory as the beemer. What did you think?
For spec I added the 20" wheels which also adds in the M brakes and chassis tweaks. The only other addition was the tech plus pack - which imo is vital if you want to unleash the tech. The self driving is extremely good and goes beyond the capability BMW promise.
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 4th August 19:03
TheDeuce said:
I haven't driven the Mustang, but I've had a good look at a high spec GT interior and I wasn't that impressed to be honest.. the BMW interior is nicer, it feels like a lot more thought into it. As the M50 is a GT it has the 4 doors and hatchback, it's arguably just as practical as the Mustang SUV.
As an amazing coincidence I picked up my new M50 a couple of hours ago, and have had time to really get a feel for it on roads I know very well. It's an exciting and highly proficient car. It's definitely a car that encourages you to push it and it really dials in when you do. When you're not pushing it, it feels soft and calm to the point you wouldn't believe it had such capability.
I don't know for sure as I haven't driven one, but I would be very surprised if the mach-e GT ventures quite as far into 'drivers car' territory as the beemer. What did you think?
For spec I added the 20" wheels which also adds in the M brakes and chassis tweaks. The only other addition was the tech plus pack - which imo is vital if you want to unleash the tech. The self driving is extremely good and goes beyond the capability BMW promise.
Interesting. My M50 spec includes visibility, tech plus and comfort packs. I didn’t want the 20” , I know they look better but they also reduce the range by around 50 miles.As an amazing coincidence I picked up my new M50 a couple of hours ago, and have had time to really get a feel for it on roads I know very well. It's an exciting and highly proficient car. It's definitely a car that encourages you to push it and it really dials in when you do. When you're not pushing it, it feels soft and calm to the point you wouldn't believe it had such capability.
I don't know for sure as I haven't driven one, but I would be very surprised if the mach-e GT ventures quite as far into 'drivers car' territory as the beemer. What did you think?
For spec I added the 20" wheels which also adds in the M brakes and chassis tweaks. The only other addition was the tech plus pack - which imo is vital if you want to unleash the tech. The self driving is extremely good and goes beyond the capability BMW promise.
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 4th August 19:03
bad company said:
TheDeuce said:
I haven't driven the Mustang, but I've had a good look at a high spec GT interior and I wasn't that impressed to be honest.. the BMW interior is nicer, it feels like a lot more thought into it. As the M50 is a GT it has the 4 doors and hatchback, it's arguably just as practical as the Mustang SUV.
As an amazing coincidence I picked up my new M50 a couple of hours ago, and have had time to really get a feel for it on roads I know very well. It's an exciting and highly proficient car. It's definitely a car that encourages you to push it and it really dials in when you do. When you're not pushing it, it feels soft and calm to the point you wouldn't believe it had such capability.
I don't know for sure as I haven't driven one, but I would be very surprised if the mach-e GT ventures quite as far into 'drivers car' territory as the beemer. What did you think?
For spec I added the 20" wheels which also adds in the M brakes and chassis tweaks. The only other addition was the tech plus pack - which imo is vital if you want to unleash the tech. The self driving is extremely good and goes beyond the capability BMW promise.
Interesting. My M50 spec includes visibility, tech plus and comfort packs. I didn’t want the 20” , I know they look better but they also reduce the range by around 50 miles.As an amazing coincidence I picked up my new M50 a couple of hours ago, and have had time to really get a feel for it on roads I know very well. It's an exciting and highly proficient car. It's definitely a car that encourages you to push it and it really dials in when you do. When you're not pushing it, it feels soft and calm to the point you wouldn't believe it had such capability.
I don't know for sure as I haven't driven one, but I would be very surprised if the mach-e GT ventures quite as far into 'drivers car' territory as the beemer. What did you think?
For spec I added the 20" wheels which also adds in the M brakes and chassis tweaks. The only other addition was the tech plus pack - which imo is vital if you want to unleash the tech. The self driving is extremely good and goes beyond the capability BMW promise.
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 4th August 19:03
I'd have loved the visibility pack, my old car had laser lights.. but the cost was getting significant for everything I might have liked..
One thing about the GT version of the Mach E: It can only provide full power for 5 seconds - check its 1/4 mile time and speed vs. its 0-60 mph time.
To wit:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38331536/2021-f...
To wit:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38331536/2021-f...
Edited by Zcd1 on Friday 4th August 20:04
Zcd1 said:
One thing about the GT version of the Mach E: It can only provide full power for 5 seconds - check its 1/4 mile time and speed vs. its 0-60 mph time.
To wit:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38331536/2021-f...
Ok, that would annoy me - imagine knowing the cheaper 'slower' version of the same car was actually faster to ~100mphTo wit:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38331536/2021-f...
Edited by Zcd1 on Friday 4th August 20:04
bad company said:
James6112 said:
Both great cars
But who wouldn’t want a Mustang!
The Mach-e GT is a great car but definitely not a Mustang.But who wouldn’t want a Mustang!
I also think that generally those that do want a Mustang probably don't want a European M car, and vice versa. They're just so different.
With the caveat that whilst the i4 M50 is technically an M car, it was developed by M division, it's not in my view a sports/track car - it's too soft. On the open road it's still an absolute weapon of course, but it's nature is more a proficient GT car. A very, very quick GT car..
TheDeuce said:
I drove a proper Mustang along route 66 and it was fast but not very fun tbh, it was a bit of a soft riding lumper!
I also think that generally those that do want a Mustang probably don't want a European M car, and vice versa. They're just so different.
With the caveat that whilst the i4 M50 is technically an M car, it was developed by M division, it's not in my view a sports/track car - it's too soft. On the open road it's still an absolute weapon of course, but it's nature is more a proficient GT car. A very, very quick GT car..
I’d agree with that. The M50 is perhaps the fastest accelerating car I’ve driven (including the Ferrari’s I’ve owned) but as you say a GT not sports car.I also think that generally those that do want a Mustang probably don't want a European M car, and vice versa. They're just so different.
With the caveat that whilst the i4 M50 is technically an M car, it was developed by M division, it's not in my view a sports/track car - it's too soft. On the open road it's still an absolute weapon of course, but it's nature is more a proficient GT car. A very, very quick GT car..
I’m fine with that, this’ll be my everyday driver.
TheDeuce said:
I drove a proper Mustang along route 66 and it was fast but not very fun tbh, it was a bit of a soft riding lumper!
I also think that generally those that do want a Mustang probably don't want a European M car, and vice versa. They're just so different.
With the caveat that whilst the i4 M50 is technically an M car, it was developed by M division, it's not in my view a sports/track car - it's too soft. On the open road it's still an absolute weapon of course, but it's nature is more a proficient GT car. A very, very quick GT car..
The mind boggles what the full-fat i4M will be like if / when they bring that to market with quad motors that have been rumoured. I also think that generally those that do want a Mustang probably don't want a European M car, and vice versa. They're just so different.
With the caveat that whilst the i4 M50 is technically an M car, it was developed by M division, it's not in my view a sports/track car - it's too soft. On the open road it's still an absolute weapon of course, but it's nature is more a proficient GT car. A very, very quick GT car..
bad company said:
TheDeuce said:
I drove a proper Mustang along route 66 and it was fast but not very fun tbh, it was a bit of a soft riding lumper!
I also think that generally those that do want a Mustang probably don't want a European M car, and vice versa. They're just so different.
With the caveat that whilst the i4 M50 is technically an M car, it was developed by M division, it's not in my view a sports/track car - it's too soft. On the open road it's still an absolute weapon of course, but it's nature is more a proficient GT car. A very, very quick GT car..
I’d agree with that. The M50 is perhaps the fastest accelerating car I’ve driven (including the Ferrari’s I’ve owned) but as you say a GT not sports car.I also think that generally those that do want a Mustang probably don't want a European M car, and vice versa. They're just so different.
With the caveat that whilst the i4 M50 is technically an M car, it was developed by M division, it's not in my view a sports/track car - it's too soft. On the open road it's still an absolute weapon of course, but it's nature is more a proficient GT car. A very, very quick GT car..
I’m fine with that, this’ll be my everyday driver.
bad company said:
I’d agree with that. The M50 is perhaps the fastest accelerating car I’ve driven (including the Ferrari’s I’ve owned) but as you say a GT not sports car.
I’m fine with that, this’ll be my everyday driver.
When I test drove it, I found the i4M50 to be decidedly un-sporting, in that its throttle response is somewhat dulled and its steering both mute and slow-ish. It doesn’t feel like it wants to move quickly, though it absolutely will. I’m fine with that, this’ll be my everyday driver.
As a family GT, okay.
As a sports sedan - notsomuch. (IMHO)
Zcd1 said:
When I test drove it, I found the i4M50 to be decidedly un-sporting, in that its throttle response is somewhat dulled and its steering both mute and slow-ish. It doesn’t feel like it wants to move quickly, though it absolutely will.
As a family GT, okay.
As a sports sedan - notsomuch. (IMHO)
Wow, interesting. What sport saloon would you prefer.As a family GT, okay.
As a sports sedan - notsomuch. (IMHO)
bad company said:
What sport saloon would you prefer.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/comparis...jrinns said:
the mustang must be a lot cheaper, the i4 is way overpriced for a 4 series with a battery. the one i test drive was 82k rrp….
The 40 is overpriced, because it's basically an M50 with the stuff that makes the car great (IE, as it was designed to be ground up), removed.The M50 is about right for a £70k car incl a couple of packs I think. I leased and of course, I'm paying well below the depreciation pm compared to buying outright. By my lease payments over three years I'd say it's closer equivalent to a £60k purchase. I'll take that for a tech-fest that can destroy b-roads for about 1.5p per mile.
They don't even make a properly quick petrol version do they? Other than the M4, which is lovely but costly to run and similar spec is in excess of £85k. Don't get me wrong, for the same cost to lease/buy and also to run I'd have the M4 - but ICE can't make those targets achievable.
Zcd1 said:
bad company said:
I’d agree with that. The M50 is perhaps the fastest accelerating car I’ve driven (including the Ferrari’s I’ve owned) but as you say a GT not sports car.
I’m fine with that, this’ll be my everyday driver.
When I test drove it, I found the i4M50 to be decidedly un-sporting, in that its throttle response is somewhat dulled and its steering both mute and slow-ish. It doesn’t feel like it wants to move quickly, though it absolutely will. I’m fine with that, this’ll be my everyday driver.
As a family GT, okay.
As a sports sedan - notsomuch. (IMHO)
Yes, we all agree - it's a GT car.
I really don't get what you mean about the throttle response though, even amongst EV's it's particularly reactive - the car jumps forward and the bonnet lifts before the pedal has even finished travelling. Did you have it in comfort (the default)?
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