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Not.Nickbrapp said:
watched it
Basically nothing wrong with the cars, all down to a boomer not knowing how to use an App, or the UKd typically s
t infrastructure, inept council and love of missing targets.
Exactly. It was almost as if he was trying to make it look different to download an app. Basically nothing wrong with the cars, all down to a boomer not knowing how to use an App, or the UKd typically s
t infrastructure, inept council and love of missing targets. anonymous said:
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This exactly. The programme did a decent enough job of highlighting the issues around charging provision, which could get a lot worse as EV adoption increases.I thought it was misleading for the woman from Auto Trader (?) to say that unlike Norway, the UK hadn't offered any incentives to EV buyers. She conveniently forgot about the Plug-in Car Grant (admittedly now ended) and the significantly lower company car BIK rates for EVs.
sparkymark75 said:
I only saw some of it and don’t really have a need to use non Tesla chargers but do all chargers require you to sign up and use an app? If so the government should mandate that the chargers have to accept card payments without an app.
No, out of the few I've used it just a contactless payment, although generally I did use an app but that was mainly because I had free charging at the time. I believe the charge Scotland ones need an app though. Saying that I have only had to use a rapid charger 4 times in the last year, despite doing about 13,000 miles. The problem to solve is charging at home/destination at ~7kw rather than focusing on just the rapids. In my opinion anyway.
Merry said:
No, out of the few I've used it just a contactless payment, although generally I did use an app but that was mainly because I had free charging at the time. I believe the charge Scotland ones need an app though.
Saying that I have only had to use a rapid charger 4 times in the last year, despite doing about 13,000 miles. The problem to solve is charging at home/destination at ~7kw rather than focusing on just the rapids. In my opinion anyway.
I slightly disagree, charging on an abnormal long journey is the real problem. Think back to those 4 times, you had to charge to use your car you likely had little other choice to where you stopped. Now think how you'd feel stranded late at night maybe chargers not working or if contactless wasn't available, you had no signal to download an app any number of situations which could add significant distress to your day.Saying that I have only had to use a rapid charger 4 times in the last year, despite doing about 13,000 miles. The problem to solve is charging at home/destination at ~7kw rather than focusing on just the rapids. In my opinion anyway.
It's amazing how quickly 20% left of your battery disappears on a rainy cold day at motorway speeds and if a planned stop isn't available it could be touch and go to the next, OK so roadside rescue services now largely come equipped to deal with it but I waited 6 hours for them last time I was unfortunate (funnily my ICE car ran out of electricity... alternator).
For vulnerable or people who can't afford delay this is the unacceptable situation. Even if they can't charge at home, local journeys and regular top ups destination or otherwise is all very doable and can be planned for.
Range anxiety doesn't describe it, really it is infrastructure anxiety. Until it is perceived as reliable and safe to do any journey there will always be a reluctance to adopt.
ICE cars with a tiny fuel tank or a thirst for fossil juice or both there is typically any number of well lit forecourts within a reasonable distance that you can complete your journey with. I'm not sure you can say the same about an afterthought charger in a dark corner of a carpark for BEV's. It'll get better I am sure, but I do get why it is a hurdle some don't want to chance.
Here's an interesting historical fact.
In 1923, a century ago there were just 384,000 cars in the UK and 7,000 petrol stations by 1930 the number of ICE cars had increased to over 1M so it appears a century ago people did not see the initial limited number of pumps as a constraint to car ownership.
We currently have 780,000 BEVs and 44,000 charging points so proportionately we are much better of than at then start of ICE development. Clearly this does not include the opportunity to charge at home for many if not all EV owners
There are currently 8,500 fuel stations in the UK albeit these will be multi pump. The total number has reduced by 30% over the last 20 years. W.A.G. 8500 stations equates to 85,000 individual pumps.
There are currently approximately 33M cars in the UK
In 1923, a century ago there were just 384,000 cars in the UK and 7,000 petrol stations by 1930 the number of ICE cars had increased to over 1M so it appears a century ago people did not see the initial limited number of pumps as a constraint to car ownership.
We currently have 780,000 BEVs and 44,000 charging points so proportionately we are much better of than at then start of ICE development. Clearly this does not include the opportunity to charge at home for many if not all EV owners
There are currently 8,500 fuel stations in the UK albeit these will be multi pump. The total number has reduced by 30% over the last 20 years. W.A.G. 8500 stations equates to 85,000 individual pumps.
There are currently approximately 33M cars in the UK
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 13th June 10:57
Freakuk said:
Seemed to skip over the 3 hours to charge for little mileage.
Complete tosh on the environmental impacts, only discussed when the car is in the showroom and purchased.
Washed over the costs for most are unobtainable.
It was not a great programme but Panorama has gradually been dumbed down over the last decade or so.Complete tosh on the environmental impacts, only discussed when the car is in the showroom and purchased.
Washed over the costs for most are unobtainable.
Nonetheless your comment on environmental impact is just plain wrong and evidenced across a number of these threads.
As to initial cost why should a new technology be affordable for everyone? It wasn't for Fridges, Washing machines TVs, computers, phones etc. These all became affordable in time.
There is another decade before they need to be affordable for the masses, by which time there will be loads available on the used market.
I've never spent 3 hours charging whilst on a journey. 20-80% in less than 20mins with DC fast charge.
Debrooker said:
anonymous said:
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This, if I gave my mum an EV (in particular a non Tesla) tommorrow she wouldn't have a clue. Debrooker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Is it fair to malign your mother that way? My now deceased parents were both completely computer literate in their 80s and that was well over a decade ago.
Its true, and she would be the first to admit this.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff