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I think what's increasingly picking up the slack is 'relatively' affordable conversions to EV - there seems to be regular interest in that on these forums these days, just as the was with LPG 15+ years ago.
I also remember a really irritating poster that owned a struggling LPG conversion business that thankfully vanished a few years back. I'm pretty sure he alone accounted for 80% of the LPG posts on PH.
I'm finding LPG more difficult to find around here now as I think Shell are slowly removing it from all their forecourts, but thankfully stations still exist on the longer journeys I do so I persevere with using it 
To think how sure everyone was 15 years ago that it 'would be taxed as much as petrol very soon'. It must have given me tax/duty savings in the 5 figures by now.
To think how sure everyone was 15 years ago that it 'would be taxed as much as petrol very soon'. It must have given me tax/duty savings in the 5 figures by now.
greg123 said:
These days if you live out the way and can get a bulk tank or large bottles delivery and fuel up at home probably the way.
No they won't let you do that. If they see you using your tank for filling cars they won't fill it. Although you could fill your car from somewhere hidden from.the delivery guy. I asked these questions once when getting a new lpg contract. The Sales guy said unless you drive less than 50 miles a week they would spot you using it for other reasons. And they wont supply a tank unless your heating needs one.ARHarh said:
greg123 said:
These days if you live out the way and can get a bulk tank or large bottles delivery and fuel up at home probably the way.
No they won't let you do that. If they see you using your tank for filling cars they won't fill it. Although you could fill your car from somewhere hidden from.the delivery guy. I asked these questions once when getting a new lpg contract. The Sales guy said unless you drive less than 50 miles a week they would spot you using it for other reasons. And they wont supply a tank unless your heating needs one.LordFlathead said:
ARHarh said:
greg123 said:
These days if you live out the way and can get a bulk tank or large bottles delivery and fuel up at home probably the way.
No they won't let you do that. If they see you using your tank for filling cars they won't fill it. Although you could fill your car from somewhere hidden from.the delivery guy. I asked these questions once when getting a new lpg contract. The Sales guy said unless you drive less than 50 miles a week they would spot you using it for other reasons. And they wont supply a tank unless your heating needs one.It's just a bit tricky as LPG is dying. Nothing to gloat about there - a lot of serious petrol heads converted to LPG to make their dream car affordable and have looked after it for a decade or so since. I'm sure it's now a real frustration amongst such owners that LPG is becoming thinner on the ground.
I was on the other LPG forum but it seems to have disappeared leaving a message it's being moved.
About the only place round me that sells LPG now is Morrisons, they refurbed the pumps last year so hopefully no plans to ditch it yet, once i retire the LPG car will be sold anyway but until then will make the most of it...been on LPG for some 15 years now, saved a lot of money in fuel taxes in that time even after conversion costs.
Not interested in a battery car nothing against them, by the time they've forced our Diesel off the road i'll be too gaga to want to drive anyway.
About the only place round me that sells LPG now is Morrisons, they refurbed the pumps last year so hopefully no plans to ditch it yet, once i retire the LPG car will be sold anyway but until then will make the most of it...been on LPG for some 15 years now, saved a lot of money in fuel taxes in that time even after conversion costs.
Not interested in a battery car nothing against them, by the time they've forced our Diesel off the road i'll be too gaga to want to drive anyway.
Smint said:
I was on the other LPG forum but it seems to have disappeared leaving a message it's being moved.
About the only place round me that sells LPG now is Morrisons, they refurbed the pumps last year so hopefully no plans to ditch it yet, once i retire the LPG car will be sold anyway but until then will make the most of it...been on LPG for some 15 years now, saved a lot of money in fuel taxes in that time even after conversion costs.
Not interested in a battery car nothing against them, by the time they've forced our Diesel off the road i'll be too gaga to want to drive anyway.
I have so much respect for this sort of honesty!!About the only place round me that sells LPG now is Morrisons, they refurbed the pumps last year so hopefully no plans to ditch it yet, once i retire the LPG car will be sold anyway but until then will make the most of it...been on LPG for some 15 years now, saved a lot of money in fuel taxes in that time even after conversion costs.
Not interested in a battery car nothing against them, by the time they've forced our Diesel off the road i'll be too gaga to want to drive anyway.
Most of the stagnant fart brigade see EV as the evil to end all days and have waged war against it - completely ignoring the fact that no one is going to take their Tdi from them, ever, and that such cars will outlive them. I'm 41 and diesels will outlive me too...
There's no shortage of fossil fuel in a world that won't (generally) depend on it for very much longer. And once it's use becomes minimal, there won't be very much reason to protest at whatever it's continued use is.
After so many waves of human technological advancement it's weird that so many humans remain adverse to the current one. There's no evil here, there's no ulterior motive.. It's just that it makes more sense to move new cars around via electric motors than an onboard power plant blowing up fuel...
Quality of life and familiarity also makes sense, if you want to keep driving a diesel, if that makes you happy, fill your boots! The transition to EV doesn't preclude the billion+ ICE cars from remaining in use, actually the transition relies upon those cars hanging around.
Back to LPG. It's nearly dead, isn't it?
LPG isn't quite dead yet, those fuel stations selling it are having increasing number of camper vans etc refilling their cooking/heating gas bottles, see numerous road maintenance crews calling in to refill their bottles too, and there's still a good number of cars etc using those Morrisons pumps.
Don't suppose the remaining LPG conversion centres are exactly rushed off their feet, but the move to direct injection petrol engines hasn't helped as DI engines apparently don't take well to LPG, they'll run on it but standard conversions can see the petrol injectors being damaged by the gas burn over time, supposed to be more suitable conversions now but at high cost.
How many people buy their new cars outright now, you'd be mad to convert the car whilst under maker's warranty so its when they reach the used car market they'll get converted if at all, most new cars now are on a long term rental or lease package they wouldn't be allowed to convert anyway, many buyers of 3 year old cars have 3 years or so in mind before they replace, not worth it for them.
So we're down to a dwindling pool of buyers who would consider LPG conversion, the used car buyer who at least plans long term ownership but ypou have to buy the right car with the right space for an extra tank to suit your needs.
I thought LPG might get a resurgence as Diesels became saddled with all the extra emissions equipment ie DPF's around 2010, didn't happen.
LPG has always been a niche fuel, in Britain its been an expensive conversion and few people are prepared to spend anything from £1200 upwards for something not immediately visible, at the cheaper end some conversions (car importers approved conversions guilty as charged) not having a flashlube system which in too many cases meant valve seat recession issues after a period, hence conversions getting a bad rep through conervsions that literally spoiled the whole ship for the sake of a good £100 flashlube system.
Dacia's conversions make sense, cheap as the option is, however i'm not sure if they have a flashlube kit so long term durability is questionable, then the thorny question of filler type raises its head (Dacias have continental filler point requiring adaptor), most supermarkets have banned LPG adaptors citing pump/gun damage, i see people still using adaptors but how long the supermarkets will tolerate this i don't know, they might just remove the facility altogther instead of their staff having to face possible abusive or worse from those who by their actions won't abide by site rules.
I think Toyota had a big hand in putting the final nails in the LPG coffin with their hybrids, there you could buy a sizeable car that would return LPG running costs in a package thats proved to be one of the most reliable and durable vehicles ever to see the road, OK the Prius was a bit of an eyesore and not that practicle with such a sloping back, but once they put the hybrid system in Auris and now Corolla with estate car options the sales blossomed, now the default taxi choice everywhere you look.
Don't suppose the remaining LPG conversion centres are exactly rushed off their feet, but the move to direct injection petrol engines hasn't helped as DI engines apparently don't take well to LPG, they'll run on it but standard conversions can see the petrol injectors being damaged by the gas burn over time, supposed to be more suitable conversions now but at high cost.
How many people buy their new cars outright now, you'd be mad to convert the car whilst under maker's warranty so its when they reach the used car market they'll get converted if at all, most new cars now are on a long term rental or lease package they wouldn't be allowed to convert anyway, many buyers of 3 year old cars have 3 years or so in mind before they replace, not worth it for them.
So we're down to a dwindling pool of buyers who would consider LPG conversion, the used car buyer who at least plans long term ownership but ypou have to buy the right car with the right space for an extra tank to suit your needs.
I thought LPG might get a resurgence as Diesels became saddled with all the extra emissions equipment ie DPF's around 2010, didn't happen.
LPG has always been a niche fuel, in Britain its been an expensive conversion and few people are prepared to spend anything from £1200 upwards for something not immediately visible, at the cheaper end some conversions (car importers approved conversions guilty as charged) not having a flashlube system which in too many cases meant valve seat recession issues after a period, hence conversions getting a bad rep through conervsions that literally spoiled the whole ship for the sake of a good £100 flashlube system.
Dacia's conversions make sense, cheap as the option is, however i'm not sure if they have a flashlube kit so long term durability is questionable, then the thorny question of filler type raises its head (Dacias have continental filler point requiring adaptor), most supermarkets have banned LPG adaptors citing pump/gun damage, i see people still using adaptors but how long the supermarkets will tolerate this i don't know, they might just remove the facility altogther instead of their staff having to face possible abusive or worse from those who by their actions won't abide by site rules.
I think Toyota had a big hand in putting the final nails in the LPG coffin with their hybrids, there you could buy a sizeable car that would return LPG running costs in a package thats proved to be one of the most reliable and durable vehicles ever to see the road, OK the Prius was a bit of an eyesore and not that practicle with such a sloping back, but once they put the hybrid system in Auris and now Corolla with estate car options the sales blossomed, now the default taxi choice everywhere you look.
Edited by Smint on Monday 15th May 07:24
The main opposition being the huge environmental cost in making batteries, child labour, acid filled wastelands and then the co2... Even Volvo admitted in a study you have to drive your new EV 19 years just to break even with the petrol emissions if you kept your old 850. Such is the amount of pollution making them. Then most are powered by coal oil wood and gas, it's only zero tailpipe emissions...
TheDeuce said:
I have so much respect for this sort of honesty!!
Most of the stagnant fart brigade see EV as the evil to end all days and have waged war against it - completely ignoring the fact that no one is going to take their Tdi from them, ever, and that such cars will outlive them. I'm 41 and diesels will outlive me too...
There's no shortage of fossil fuel in a world that won't (generally) depend on it for very much longer. And once it's use becomes minimal, there won't be very much reason to protest at whatever it's continued use is.
After so many waves of human technological advancement it's weird that so many humans remain adverse to the current one. There's no evil here, there's no ulterior motive.. It's just that it makes more sense to move new cars around via electric motors than an onboard power plant blowing up fuel...
Quality of life and familiarity also makes sense, if you want to keep driving a diesel, if that makes you happy, fill your boots! The transition to EV doesn't preclude the billion+ ICE cars from remaining in use, actually the transition relies upon those cars hanging around.
Back to LPG. It's nearly dead, isn't it?
Most of the stagnant fart brigade see EV as the evil to end all days and have waged war against it - completely ignoring the fact that no one is going to take their Tdi from them, ever, and that such cars will outlive them. I'm 41 and diesels will outlive me too...
There's no shortage of fossil fuel in a world that won't (generally) depend on it for very much longer. And once it's use becomes minimal, there won't be very much reason to protest at whatever it's continued use is.
After so many waves of human technological advancement it's weird that so many humans remain adverse to the current one. There's no evil here, there's no ulterior motive.. It's just that it makes more sense to move new cars around via electric motors than an onboard power plant blowing up fuel...
Quality of life and familiarity also makes sense, if you want to keep driving a diesel, if that makes you happy, fill your boots! The transition to EV doesn't preclude the billion+ ICE cars from remaining in use, actually the transition relies upon those cars hanging around.
Back to LPG. It's nearly dead, isn't it?
greg123 said:
The main opposition being the huge environmental cost in making batteries, child labour, acid filled wastelands and then the co2... Even Volvo admitted in a study you have to drive your new EV 19 years just to break even with the petrol emissions if you kept your old 850. Such is the amount of pollution making them. Then most are powered by coal oil wood and gas, it's only zero tailpipe emissions...
19 years TheDeuce said:
I have so much respect for this sort of honesty!!
Most of the stagnant fart brigade see EV as the evil to end all days and have waged war against it - completely ignoring the fact that no one is going to take their Tdi from them, ever, and that such cars will outlive them. I'm 41 and diesels will outlive me too...
There's no shortage of fossil fuel in a world that won't (generally) depend on it for very much longer. And once it's use becomes minimal, there won't be very much reason to protest at whatever it's continued use is.
After so many waves of human technological advancement it's weird that so many humans remain adverse to the current one. There's no evil here, there's no ulterior motive.. It's just that it makes more sense to move new cars around via electric motors than an onboard power plant blowing up fuel...
Quality of life and familiarity also makes sense, if you want to keep driving a diesel, if that makes you happy, fill your boots! The transition to EV doesn't preclude the billion+ ICE cars from remaining in use, actually the transition relies upon those cars hanging around.
Back to LPG. It's nearly dead, isn't it?
Most of the stagnant fart brigade see EV as the evil to end all days and have waged war against it - completely ignoring the fact that no one is going to take their Tdi from them, ever, and that such cars will outlive them. I'm 41 and diesels will outlive me too...
There's no shortage of fossil fuel in a world that won't (generally) depend on it for very much longer. And once it's use becomes minimal, there won't be very much reason to protest at whatever it's continued use is.
After so many waves of human technological advancement it's weird that so many humans remain adverse to the current one. There's no evil here, there's no ulterior motive.. It's just that it makes more sense to move new cars around via electric motors than an onboard power plant blowing up fuel...
Quality of life and familiarity also makes sense, if you want to keep driving a diesel, if that makes you happy, fill your boots! The transition to EV doesn't preclude the billion+ ICE cars from remaining in use, actually the transition relies upon those cars hanging around.
Back to LPG. It's nearly dead, isn't it?
Suggest you read the Volvo report again...
Accidental LPG user for just over 2years now.
Daily I bought had been converted at some point, bloke I bought it off said he never used LPG ,so i assumed it just didnt work ( but wasn't the reason I bought the car , so planned to remove the kit anyway )
Got it home, found a manual online, switched it over and it ran on gas for a bit. Went and filled it up and have run on it 95% of the time.
2001 was paying 56p a litre at Sainsbury's, it went up a bit. Then they stopped selling it. Currently paying 93p a litre.
Station numbers that sell it are dropping off faily rapidly, speaking for London and Essex area.
Doubt its worth converting anymore unless you have several local places selling for a bit of competition. I noticed Birmingham i think have several independent places all around the low 70p per litre.
Daily I bought had been converted at some point, bloke I bought it off said he never used LPG ,so i assumed it just didnt work ( but wasn't the reason I bought the car , so planned to remove the kit anyway )
Got it home, found a manual online, switched it over and it ran on gas for a bit. Went and filled it up and have run on it 95% of the time.
2001 was paying 56p a litre at Sainsbury's, it went up a bit. Then they stopped selling it. Currently paying 93p a litre.
Station numbers that sell it are dropping off faily rapidly, speaking for London and Essex area.
Doubt its worth converting anymore unless you have several local places selling for a bit of competition. I noticed Birmingham i think have several independent places all around the low 70p per litre.
I’m kind of an accidental LPGer too. I bought a new Duster at the start of 2022, LPG was a no cost factory option, so I thought I’d tick the box and give it a try. It’s been great, run on gas nearly all the time. Local to where I live and between home and work I have no trouble getting gas at all. There’s 2 Morrisons, a Texaco and 2 independent places to choose from. They’ve all been around 80p a litre (except the Texaco at 90p+) for over a year now. Morrisons are least reliable in that they often run out. I like using the independent places, but they only open during business hours, so not always convenient. Longer journeys take a bit more planning. I’m on hols in Cornwall as I type. No trouble getting gas on the way down from Lancs, stopped at a Morrisons on the M5 near Bristol. However down here near Truro there seems to be nothing, so I’ll be back on unleaded for a bit when the gas runs out.
TheDeuce said:
greg123 said:
The main opposition being the huge environmental cost in making batteries, child labour, acid filled wastelands and then the co2... Even Volvo admitted in a study you have to drive your new EV 19 years just to break even with the petrol emissions if you kept your old 850. Such is the amount of pollution making them. Then most are powered by coal oil wood and gas, it's only zero tailpipe emissions...
19 years TheDeuce said:
I have so much respect for this sort of honesty!!
Most of the stagnant fart brigade see EV as the evil to end all days and have waged war against it - completely ignoring the fact that no one is going to take their Tdi from them, ever, and that such cars will outlive them. I'm 41 and diesels will outlive me too...
There's no shortage of fossil fuel in a world that won't (generally) depend on it for very much longer. And once it's use becomes minimal, there won't be very much reason to protest at whatever it's continued use is.
After so many waves of human technological advancement it's weird that so many humans remain adverse to the current one. There's no evil here, there's no ulterior motive.. It's just that it makes more sense to move new cars around via electric motors than an onboard power plant blowing up fuel...
Quality of life and familiarity also makes sense, if you want to keep driving a diesel, if that makes you happy, fill your boots! The transition to EV doesn't preclude the billion+ ICE cars from remaining in use, actually the transition relies upon those cars hanging around.
Back to LPG. It's nearly dead, isn't it?
Most of the stagnant fart brigade see EV as the evil to end all days and have waged war against it - completely ignoring the fact that no one is going to take their Tdi from them, ever, and that such cars will outlive them. I'm 41 and diesels will outlive me too...
There's no shortage of fossil fuel in a world that won't (generally) depend on it for very much longer. And once it's use becomes minimal, there won't be very much reason to protest at whatever it's continued use is.
After so many waves of human technological advancement it's weird that so many humans remain adverse to the current one. There's no evil here, there's no ulterior motive.. It's just that it makes more sense to move new cars around via electric motors than an onboard power plant blowing up fuel...
Quality of life and familiarity also makes sense, if you want to keep driving a diesel, if that makes you happy, fill your boots! The transition to EV doesn't preclude the billion+ ICE cars from remaining in use, actually the transition relies upon those cars hanging around.
Back to LPG. It's nearly dead, isn't it?
Suggest you read the Volvo report again...
Shouldn't laugh really, it's clearly a cult and they need help.
DonkeyApple said:
TheDeuce said:
greg123 said:
The main opposition being the huge environmental cost in making batteries, child labour, acid filled wastelands and then the co2... Even Volvo admitted in a study you have to drive your new EV 19 years just to break even with the petrol emissions if you kept your old 850. Such is the amount of pollution making them. Then most are powered by coal oil wood and gas, it's only zero tailpipe emissions...
19 years TheDeuce said:
I have so much respect for this sort of honesty!!
Most of the stagnant fart brigade see EV as the evil to end all days and have waged war against it - completely ignoring the fact that no one is going to take their Tdi from them, ever, and that such cars will outlive them. I'm 41 and diesels will outlive me too...
There's no shortage of fossil fuel in a world that won't (generally) depend on it for very much longer. And once it's use becomes minimal, there won't be very much reason to protest at whatever it's continued use is.
After so many waves of human technological advancement it's weird that so many humans remain adverse to the current one. There's no evil here, there's no ulterior motive.. It's just that it makes more sense to move new cars around via electric motors than an onboard power plant blowing up fuel...
Quality of life and familiarity also makes sense, if you want to keep driving a diesel, if that makes you happy, fill your boots! The transition to EV doesn't preclude the billion+ ICE cars from remaining in use, actually the transition relies upon those cars hanging around.
Back to LPG. It's nearly dead, isn't it?
Most of the stagnant fart brigade see EV as the evil to end all days and have waged war against it - completely ignoring the fact that no one is going to take their Tdi from them, ever, and that such cars will outlive them. I'm 41 and diesels will outlive me too...
There's no shortage of fossil fuel in a world that won't (generally) depend on it for very much longer. And once it's use becomes minimal, there won't be very much reason to protest at whatever it's continued use is.
After so many waves of human technological advancement it's weird that so many humans remain adverse to the current one. There's no evil here, there's no ulterior motive.. It's just that it makes more sense to move new cars around via electric motors than an onboard power plant blowing up fuel...
Quality of life and familiarity also makes sense, if you want to keep driving a diesel, if that makes you happy, fill your boots! The transition to EV doesn't preclude the billion+ ICE cars from remaining in use, actually the transition relies upon those cars hanging around.
Back to LPG. It's nearly dead, isn't it?
Suggest you read the Volvo report again...
Shouldn't laugh really, it's clearly a cult and they need help.
But in this instance governments around the world have independently looked at the same same problem and been advised by their own experts and have (for the first time since the war, and to a greater extent) united in a shared direction to transition from EV to ICE.
On the other hand, Greg knows the real truth and all the experts are wrong. As is the Volvo report, which is why he had to correct it's findings for presentation here
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