Battery packs to get passports
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Hoping the passports will give the consumer the right choice when buying a car so the raw products are mined ethically and with minimal disruption to the environment.
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pocketspring said:
mined ethically and with minimal disruption to the environment.
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Jimbo. said:
Does the fuel or oil that goes into ICE cars some with similar ethical audit trails? The oil industry gives us unicorns, pixie-dust, world peace and human rights for all, so should make for good reading.
Ethical oil. That's an interesting concept. Torrey Canyon, Exxon Valdez anyone?
t, batteries are evil!! Oh no, double sNomme de Plum said:
Jimbo. said:
Does the fuel or oil that goes into ICE cars some with similar ethical audit trails? The oil industry gives us unicorns, pixie-dust, world peace and human rights for all, so should make for good reading.
Ethical oil. That's an interesting concept. Torrey Canyon, Exxon Valdez anyone?
Getragdogleg said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Jimbo. said:
Does the fuel or oil that goes into ICE cars some with similar ethical audit trails? The oil industry gives us unicorns, pixie-dust, world peace and human rights for all, so should make for good reading.
Ethical oil. That's an interesting concept. Torrey Canyon, Exxon Valdez anyone?
Were you about when that terrible tragedy hit our coastline?
Nomme de Plum said:
Getragdogleg said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Jimbo. said:
Does the fuel or oil that goes into ICE cars some with similar ethical audit trails? The oil industry gives us unicorns, pixie-dust, world peace and human rights for all, so should make for good reading.
Ethical oil. That's an interesting concept. Torrey Canyon, Exxon Valdez anyone?
Were you about when that terrible tragedy hit our coastline?
I still find lumps on the local beach.
Getragdogleg said:
Yes, and I was just commenting that oil is natural, not great when we put it in the wrong place but natural.
I still find lumps on the local beach.
Oil and coal may be naturally made but the extraction is far from natural.I still find lumps on the local beach.
Coal fires were commonplace until it was realised the damage that smog caused.
I'm not saying it wasn't necessary at a point in time but we move on.
Getragdogleg said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Getragdogleg said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Jimbo. said:
Does the fuel or oil that goes into ICE cars some with similar ethical audit trails? The oil industry gives us unicorns, pixie-dust, world peace and human rights for all, so should make for good reading.
Ethical oil. That's an interesting concept. Torrey Canyon, Exxon Valdez anyone?
Were you about when that terrible tragedy hit our coastline?
I still find lumps on the local beach.
Perhaps in the full swing of time we'll stop the catastrophe, perhaps we won't. But one thing is for certain, we're not a blight on planet earth - planet earth grew us. We didn't create ourselves..
We're as natural as fossil fuels and our natural ability to discover and utilise electricity is natural too. We're human, we seek out new solutions. We're the result of evolution that sought trillions of potential evolutions before ending up with something in a cave that seemed to work quite well.. (us)
There's no divide between humans and nature, there never has been. The only people that think there is such a divide suffer a deep level of self importance to the extent they think they're 'extra' to the course of planetary evolution.
Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 8th May 21:53
TheDeuce said:
Humans and human intelligence occurred naturally too. We naturally started to dismantle this planet, we're born of this planet.
Perhaps in the full swing of time we'll stop the catastrophe, perhaps we won't. But one thing is for certain, we're not a blight on planet earth - planet earth grew us. We didn't create ourselves..
Another thing that's for certain is that this planet, and life on it, will outlive us. We're not going to wipe all life out, but it is possible we could wipe out most of our own species.Perhaps in the full swing of time we'll stop the catastrophe, perhaps we won't. But one thing is for certain, we're not a blight on planet earth - planet earth grew us. We didn't create ourselves..
Super Sonic said:
TheDeuce said:
Humans and human intelligence occurred naturally too. We naturally started to dismantle this planet, we're born of this planet.
Perhaps in the full swing of time we'll stop the catastrophe, perhaps we won't. But one thing is for certain, we're not a blight on planet earth - planet earth grew us. We didn't create ourselves..
Another thing that's for certain is that this planet, and life on it, will outlive us. We're not going to wipe all life out, but it is possible we could wipe out most of our own species.Perhaps in the full swing of time we'll stop the catastrophe, perhaps we won't. But one thing is for certain, we're not a blight on planet earth - planet earth grew us. We didn't create ourselves..
We can only do what we can do, what is in our nature. Humans will never take a step back, we will always push technology to find the next solution to our most recent mess. That's what nature made us and that is our nature.
hidetheelephants said:
Fastlane said:
Seems a good idea. Perhaps it will focus people's minds on why producing petrol and diesel to be burnt can never be ethical.
Forcing the abandonment of O&G prior to the point alternatives can sustain the economy wouldn't be very ethical either.
Plans for Europe's first large-scale battery recycling plant:
https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-busin...
If it goes ahead, it will be online in 4-5 years.
The capacity is interesting:
"The Portovesme Hub is expected to have processing capacity of up to 50,000 tonnes to 70,000 tonnes of black mass annually, or the equivalent of up to 36 gigawatt hours of lithium-ion batteries, Li-Cycle added."
Assuming an average battery capacity of 60 kWh to make the maths easy, that works out at up to 600,000 car batteries which seems pretty high given the relative youth of the EV fleet.
Of course some of the material for recycling may come from other applications: power walls; tools; etc.
https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-busin...
If it goes ahead, it will be online in 4-5 years.
The capacity is interesting:
"The Portovesme Hub is expected to have processing capacity of up to 50,000 tonnes to 70,000 tonnes of black mass annually, or the equivalent of up to 36 gigawatt hours of lithium-ion batteries, Li-Cycle added."
Assuming an average battery capacity of 60 kWh to make the maths easy, that works out at up to 600,000 car batteries which seems pretty high given the relative youth of the EV fleet.
Of course some of the material for recycling may come from other applications: power walls; tools; etc.
Mikehig said:
Plans for Europe's first large-scale battery recycling plant:
https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-busin...
If it goes ahead, it will be online in 4-5 years.
The capacity is interesting:
"The Portovesme Hub is expected to have processing capacity of up to 50,000 tonnes to 70,000 tonnes of black mass annually, or the equivalent of up to 36 gigawatt hours of lithium-ion batteries, Li-Cycle added."
Assuming an average battery capacity of 60 kWh to make the maths easy, that works out at up to 600,000 car batteries which seems pretty high given the relative youth of the EV fleet.
Of course some of the material for recycling may come from other applications: power walls; tools; etc.
In 5 years time EV numbers should have increased substantially.https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-busin...
If it goes ahead, it will be online in 4-5 years.
The capacity is interesting:
"The Portovesme Hub is expected to have processing capacity of up to 50,000 tonnes to 70,000 tonnes of black mass annually, or the equivalent of up to 36 gigawatt hours of lithium-ion batteries, Li-Cycle added."
Assuming an average battery capacity of 60 kWh to make the maths easy, that works out at up to 600,000 car batteries which seems pretty high given the relative youth of the EV fleet.
Of course some of the material for recycling may come from other applications: power walls; tools; etc.
Sadly in the UK we seem to be losing out on battery manufacture and now recycling.
Why are the government not using their position outside the EU to encourage, with incentives if necessary, developments here?
I think it's a good idea. Maybe it will make consumers consider the impact of their shiny new SUV every 3 years.
If we are actually going to make inroads in our rampant consumption of raw materials, we need to change consumer habits. It seems like at the moment, there are folks that think they are 'making a difference' driving around in a 3 tonne ev with motors to open the tailgate.
Things aren't going to change overnight, but we have to start somewhere.
If we are actually going to make inroads in our rampant consumption of raw materials, we need to change consumer habits. It seems like at the moment, there are folks that think they are 'making a difference' driving around in a 3 tonne ev with motors to open the tailgate.
Things aren't going to change overnight, but we have to start somewhere.
Not directly linked to the article, but with the recent changes to the Federal tax programs for US EV's, this makes a lot of sense. Batteries have to have a certain amount of local production (and manufacture of the car) to qualify and if you cant certify it, you dont get the full amount. And if this maps to recycled units going forward, this seems like a good idea. Track the source, manufacture and recycling of a battery pack - isnt this a good idea to bring transparency? Totally get it though, different market and different approach.
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