New CATL battery tech - huge news I think?

[DMZ]

2x density with a similar weight saving, will enter mass production at the end of the year.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-ul...

This is huge I think? Or maybe I should say “small”, lol.

Longer range or less space and weight, take your pick.

[dvs_dave]

Certainly promising if it is actually a commercial scale prospect. We’ll see.

[hiccy18]

That article makes it sound like CATL batteries will be in the Neue Klasse EV, which is an interesting thought. I must admit to being sceptical about every "new battery tech" article that promises rainbows and pixies and, with production promised for the end of the year, I'm waiting on the fires and premature failures, but shaving 400KG of the weight of an EV with good range is a hell of an achievement.

[LordFlathead]

This has the ability to finally make EV's fully viable - if it delivers what it says it will deliver.

600 mile range? What will the naysayers complain about

[dvs_dave]

LordFlathead said:

This has the ability to finally make EV's fully viable - if it delivers what it says it will deliver.

600 mile range? What will the naysayers complain about

Too expensive, can’t charge it if you live in a terrace/flat, soulless, still coal powered, can’t tow a boat 400 miles nonstop, elitist, what about the poor, Congolese child slave labour, etc. So the usual.

[Nomme de Plum]

dvs_dave said:

LordFlathead said:

This has the ability to finally make EV's fully viable - if it delivers what it says it will deliver.

600 mile range? What will the naysayers complain about

Too expensive, can’t charge it if you live in a terrace/flat, soulless, still coal powered, can’t tow a boat 400 miles nonstop, elitist, what about the poor, Congolese child slave labour, etc. So the usual.

There will always be Nay sayers but this is just the beginning. Not sure what the ICE evangelists will say when weight parity comes.

[dvs_dave]

Nomme de Plum said:

dvs_dave said:

LordFlathead said:

This has the ability to finally make EV's fully viable - if it delivers what it says it will deliver.

600 mile range? What will the naysayers complain about

Too expensive, can’t charge it if you live in a terrace/flat, soulless, still coal powered, can’t tow a boat 400 miles nonstop, elitist, what about the poor, Congolese child slave labour, etc. So the usual.

There will always be Nay sayers but this is just the beginning. Not sure what the ICE evangelists will say when weight parity comes.

See above.

And add in, still too heavy, and because they don’t 100% perfectly suit my weird life/niche use-case, they are therefore useless to everyone.

Edited by dvs_dave on Saturday 22 April 21:27

[Terminator X]

Nomme de Plum said:

dvs_dave said:

LordFlathead said:

This has the ability to finally make EV's fully viable - if it delivers what it says it will deliver.

600 mile range? What will the naysayers complain about

Too expensive, can’t charge it if you live in a terrace/flat, soulless, still coal powered, can’t tow a boat 400 miles nonstop, elitist, what about the poor, Congolese child slave labour, etc. So the usual.

There will always be Nay sayers but this is just the beginning. Not sure what the ICE evangelists will say when weight parity comes.

Probably want they have always said, bland white goods with no soul.

This miracle tech has been incoming for 10 years or more so I guess you guys will be right eventually as you repeat it every year.

TX.

[delta0]

Depends on the price of it but otherwise definitely good news.

[caziques]

Don't forget it will need replacing after three years, and the old battery won't be recycled.

[TheDeuce]

Just a lighter milk float, innit.

[delta0]

caziques said:

Don't forget it will need replacing after three years, and the old battery won't be recycled.

Sarcasm detected

[bowder]

dvs_dave said:

Too expensive, can’t charge it if you live in a terrace/flat, soulless, still coal powered, can’t tow a boat 400 miles nonstop, elitist, what about the poor, Congolese child slave labour, etc. So the usual.

Also too quiet, so will be killing 100,000 cyclists, pedestrians and kittens weekly.

[Nomme de Plum]

Terminator X said:

Probably want they have always said, bland white goods with no soul.

This miracle tech has been incoming for 10 years or more so I guess you guys will be right eventually as you repeat it every year.

TX.

What is this soul to which you refer? Cars are a method of transport for 99% of the population and it is for most irrelevant what causes it to move.

[OutInTheShed]

Do we want higher density battery packs?
Or do we want battery packs with a longer calendar life?
Do we really just want battery packs which are cheaper per kWh?

For the next 5 years, would we be quite happy with a petrol range extender for longer trips?

Shaving 100kg of mass from a car which ways 1400kg empty is not a game changer.

Being able to make a 150kg electric motorcycle with good range and performance, that could get interesting!

[Nomme de Plum]

OutInTheShed said:

Do we want higher density battery packs?
Or do we want battery packs with a longer calendar life?
Do we really just want battery packs which are cheaper per kWh?

For the next 5 years, would we be quite happy with a petrol range extender for longer trips?

Shaving 100kg of mass from a car which ways 1400kg empty is not a game changer.

Being able to make a 150kg electric motorcycle with good range and performance, that could get interesting!

Of course we should strive for weight reductions, reduced cost and battery longevity. All of these will happen in any case. That is the nature of progress.

Currently the battery weight in EVs is far higher than the equivalent ICE drivetrain. Parity will come sooner or later.


Range extenders or hybrids are an added complication which will not be needed in a few years if not now for the few motorists that feel the need for a back up engine

[delta0]

OutInTheShed said:

Do we want higher density battery packs?
Or do we want battery packs with a longer calendar life?
Do we really just want battery packs which are cheaper per kWh?

For the next 5 years, would we be quite happy with a petrol range extender for longer trips?

Shaving 100kg of mass from a car which ways 1400kg empty is not a game changer.

Being able to make a 150kg electric motorcycle with good range and performance, that could get interesting!

Battery packs outlive the car currently so more life isn’t really a needed thing. Plus they often get a second life in battery energy storage applications.

[SpeckledJim]

Terminator X said:

Nomme de Plum said:

dvs_dave said:

LordFlathead said:

This has the ability to finally make EV's fully viable - if it delivers what it says it will deliver.

600 mile range? What will the naysayers complain about

Too expensive, can’t charge it if you live in a terrace/flat, soulless, still coal powered, can’t tow a boat 400 miles nonstop, elitist, what about the poor, Congolese child slave labour, etc. So the usual.

There will always be Nay sayers but this is just the beginning. Not sure what the ICE evangelists will say when weight parity comes.

Probably want they have always said, bland white goods with no soul.

This miracle tech has been incoming for 10 years or more so I guess you guys will be right eventually as you repeat it every year.

TX.

Yeah. Look at what we actually buy. Clearly ‘soul’ is what we’re all demanding.

Nissan Qashqai
Nissan Juke
Vauxhall Corsa
Tesla Model Y
Kia Sportage
Ford Puma
Hyundai Tucson
MINI
Ford Fiesta
Volkswagen T-Roc

[tamore]

SpeckledJim said:

Terminator X said:

Nomme de Plum said:

dvs_dave said:

LordFlathead said:

This has the ability to finally make EV's fully viable - if it delivers what it says it will deliver.

600 mile range? What will the naysayers complain about

Too expensive, can’t charge it if you live in a terrace/flat, soulless, still coal powered, can’t tow a boat 400 miles nonstop, elitist, what about the poor, Congolese child slave labour, etc. So the usual.

There will always be Nay sayers but this is just the beginning. Not sure what the ICE evangelists will say when weight parity comes.

Probably want they have always said, bland white goods with no soul.

This miracle tech has been incoming for 10 years or more so I guess you guys will be right eventually as you repeat it every year.

TX.

Yeah. Look at what we actually buy. Clearly ‘soul’ is what we’re all demanding.

Nissan Qashqai
Nissan Juke
Vauxhall Corsa
Tesla Model Y
Kia Sportage
Ford Puma
Hyundai Tucson
MINI
Ford Fiesta
Volkswagen T-Roc

amazing isn't it. the roads are full of dull, safe, A to B machines. there will always be room for something different, but that segment is very much niche. for the A to Bers, the propulsion method is pretty much immaterial.

500wh/kg packs allow mega mile munchers for those who need or more likely want that capability, and for for most the availability of 80kw/h packs as entry level will allow ubiquity.

charging infrastructure is a different conundrum, but will become a non issue soon.

[JonnyVTEC]

They are being trialled in the Airbus Zephyr project which gives a clue to their current prices.