Audi E-Tron (the Q8 style one)
Discussion
I rang up the local Audi dealer about this yesterday as I wanted to see it in the flesh.
They don't even have one (till March) so not sure how many have actually been delivered to customers.
blurb:
Audi has made changes to make the aerodynamics slipperier, but we never saw more than 2.5 miles per kWh during our time with the Q8. For the big-battery model, this equates to a range of less than 270 miles versus the claimed 327 miles. Expect even less in winter.
I'd be fine if I can get 250 out of it, it's v rare that I need to travel further than that - perhaps 3 or 4 times a year.
They don't even have one (till March) so not sure how many have actually been delivered to customers.
blurb:
Audi has made changes to make the aerodynamics slipperier, but we never saw more than 2.5 miles per kWh during our time with the Q8. For the big-battery model, this equates to a range of less than 270 miles versus the claimed 327 miles. Expect even less in winter.
I'd be fine if I can get 250 out of it, it's v rare that I need to travel further than that - perhaps 3 or 4 times a year.
bigbadandy76 said:
Considering one of these when I change my car later this year, anybody out there got any real-world range data rather than the 'fantasy-land' WLTP figures?
2.5m/kWh, or as little as 2m/kWh if thundering on the motorway. It's not an efficient vehicle, even when electric!We ordered one instead of the Q4 etron which we have been waiting nearly 18 months for and still wasn’t due until August. The launch date is April so other than the press demonstrators there aren’t any yet. We switched our order as soon as it was announced and have a week 20 build date so should get it end of June or early July but I am not rushing to get the charger installed quite yet !
raspy said:
Evanivitch said:
2.5m/kWh, or as little as 2m/kWh if thundering on the motorway. It's not an efficient vehicle, even when electric!
How many SUVs that weigh 2.6 tons and regardless of electric/petrol/diesel could be viewed as "efficient"?Ours pre Q8 facelift etron 55 has averaged 2.5 miles/kWh over the past 14 month and 15k miles in our use. Assuming efficiency stays the same, as they've upped the battery size to 89kWh in the 50 and 106kWh in the 55 I'd expect to see 220 and 265 miles of average range respectively with it obviously being better in the summer than winter.
They are far from the most efficient EV, but are a very nice place to spend time and if you do need to charge them on the go the charge curve is impressive.
I will add that we only managed 3 miles/kWh from the Model 3 Performance we had previously, which was more disappointing as unexpected.
They are far from the most efficient EV, but are a very nice place to spend time and if you do need to charge them on the go the charge curve is impressive.
dino_jr said:
Seems to be the main complaint of all the E-Tron range, v.poor efficiency.
Unsure how Audi let this happen vs the competition?
Not really any worse than the slightly smaller Mercedes EQC or Jaguar iPace and matches the return people are seeing from the iX 40 in the real world. Tesla however do have the upper hand with regards to efficiency, but then you can't buy a new Model X and when they were on sale they were significantly more expensive if memory serves.Unsure how Audi let this happen vs the competition?
I will add that we only managed 3 miles/kWh from the Model 3 Performance we had previously, which was more disappointing as unexpected.
Edited by SWoll on Sunday 19th February 19:16
I just got in from a 186 mile trip in my MY2019 55 with 12% remaining at allegedly 2.7m/kWh doing NSL wherever possible with a few overtakes thrown in.
I’d say thats about as good as it gets on long distance without making a conscious effort to drive carefully or eg disabling climate which makes a difference.
In colder weather smashing it down a motorway 2.0 can be expected as mentioned.
Mine is up for renewal and I am leaning more towards the iX 50/60 than the revised etron.
The charge curve of the etron as somebody mentioned is quite a big bonus. I spent a weekend with an iX albeit 40 and found it much slower to DC charge than the Audi.
I’d say thats about as good as it gets on long distance without making a conscious effort to drive carefully or eg disabling climate which makes a difference.
In colder weather smashing it down a motorway 2.0 can be expected as mentioned.
Mine is up for renewal and I am leaning more towards the iX 50/60 than the revised etron.
The charge curve of the etron as somebody mentioned is quite a big bonus. I spent a weekend with an iX albeit 40 and found it much slower to DC charge than the Audi.
paddy1970 said:
There’s a few on AT at the moment around the £30k markI have seriously been looking at them as a replacement for my Q2
The range is fine for us. Commuting is 100 miles a week and most of our holidays are less then 100 miles (each way) as it’s either a relatively near coastal destination or just to the airport
Apart from the range, reviews and feedback are good and everyone says they are a nice way to travel which sounds good to me
theboss said:
Mine is up for renewal and I am leaning more towards the iX 50/60 than the revised etron.
The charge curve of the etron as somebody mentioned is quite a big bonus. I spent a weekend with an iX albeit 40 and found it much slower to DC charge than the Audi.
Using Tesla Bjorn's 1000km test spreadsheet the iX50 is only 10 minutes faster than the e-tron 55 over the distance. The charge curve of the etron as somebody mentioned is quite a big bonus. I spent a weekend with an iX albeit 40 and found it much slower to DC charge than the Audi.
Public charging isn't such an issue for me personally, I rarely do so. I quite like the fact the IX M60 has every option ticked as standard including the 22kW AC charger. On everything else (including IX50, e-tron, Taycan) it's quite an expensive extra.
Last time I looked lightly used iX M60's were getting down towards £100k and there have been a few new pre-reg ones around £110k
I also saw the new i7 in the flesh at my dealer's recently and am intrigued to give that a go in comparison.
I'm struggling with the idea of the revised Q8 etron in comparison. Audi seem to be positioning the 400bhp 55 at a price point that would get you in an iX50 despite the latter being a more modern platform with significantly better tech not to mention power/performance and economy/range.
I can't say I find the Merc offerings any more compelling either. If they are, they are much more expensive and look even weirder than the BMW.
Back on topic though I do think the original e-tron at £30-40k might be a decent proposition. Note there were big improvements with the MY2020 cars with hardware improvements to range and also better tech. It sounds trivial but I can't adjust the charge target in the smartphone app on my 2019 car nor does it have wireless carplay. I believe the MY2020 cars from September 2019 onwards have both.
I would also watch out for cars with pano roof (prone to water leaks) and the virtual mirrors - mine were replaced under warranty as the originals misted terribly. Audi extended warranty would be a must with these cars.
Last time I looked lightly used iX M60's were getting down towards £100k and there have been a few new pre-reg ones around £110k
I also saw the new i7 in the flesh at my dealer's recently and am intrigued to give that a go in comparison.
I'm struggling with the idea of the revised Q8 etron in comparison. Audi seem to be positioning the 400bhp 55 at a price point that would get you in an iX50 despite the latter being a more modern platform with significantly better tech not to mention power/performance and economy/range.
I can't say I find the Merc offerings any more compelling either. If they are, they are much more expensive and look even weirder than the BMW.
Back on topic though I do think the original e-tron at £30-40k might be a decent proposition. Note there were big improvements with the MY2020 cars with hardware improvements to range and also better tech. It sounds trivial but I can't adjust the charge target in the smartphone app on my 2019 car nor does it have wireless carplay. I believe the MY2020 cars from September 2019 onwards have both.
I would also watch out for cars with pano roof (prone to water leaks) and the virtual mirrors - mine were replaced under warranty as the originals misted terribly. Audi extended warranty would be a must with these cars.
Edited by theboss on Sunday 19th February 21:32
Evanivitch said:
It's still significantly less efficient than a Model X or iX.
Does it really matter whether the e-tron returns 2.3 miles per kwh or 2.6 miles per kwh or some other figure that's less than others? In the scheme of things, depreciation is going to be a far bigger cost on a brand new model than the cost of electricity. raspy said:
Does it really matter whether the e-tron returns 2.3 miles per kwh or 2.6 miles per kwh or some other figure that's less than others? In the scheme of things, depreciation is going to be a far bigger cost on a brand new model than the cost of electricity.
Efficiency provides range. More efficient, less charging. The e-tron makes up for that with a high performing charge curve.But if you are using public rapid chargers often and paying upto 80p/kWh then yes, efficiency if very much a large part of your costs when it's best part of £70 to charge
SWoll said:
Not really any worse than the slightly smaller Mercedes EQC or Jaguar iPace and matches the return people are seeing from the iX 40 in the real world. Tesla however do have the upper hand with regards to efficiency, but then you can't buy a new Model X and when they were on sale they were significantly more expensive if memory serves.
I will add that we only managed 3 miles/kWh from the Model 3 Performance we had previously, which was more disappointing as unexpected.
^ ThisI will add that we only managed 3 miles/kWh from the Model 3 Performance we had previously, which was more disappointing as unexpected.
Edited by SWoll on Sunday 19th February 19:16
Absolutely depends on how you drive, what type of journey you make and how this fits the profile for the vehicle. Tesla does indeed make the most efficient EV's (at the moment, may be broken soon) but its also worth noting that most owners dont get the published ranges either. Some other manufacturers seem to be more efficient and others more accurate, but this is the case in ICE cars anyway. I remember an old Audi 80E that I had as a company car many moons ago - super slippery shape for the time and it was great on the motorway! Modern EV's also have a super slippery shape, but if you only drive around in a city at up to 45MPH, does it make a significant difference? I dont know, but its really down to the use case as always.
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