Public Chargers pricewatch
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While Fuel tends to be within about 10% in price, station to station, EV chargers can be TRIPLE the price vs the one you passed earlier 
I have just however got this BP email stating a 10p/kWh reduction from today thanks to "the Government’s Energy Bill Relief Scheme (EBRS), which was launched to support businesses through the energy crisis."... Not amazing but still. Hopefully others follow suit.
I'd like to see prices added to the big price/gal signs all stations have, although this may be a way in the future when more people care
I have just however got this BP email stating a 10p/kWh reduction from today thanks to "the Government’s Energy Bill Relief Scheme (EBRS), which was launched to support businesses through the energy crisis."... Not amazing but still. Hopefully others follow suit.
I'd like to see prices added to the big price/gal signs all stations have, although this may be a way in the future when more people care
dino_jr said:
While Fuel tends to be within about 10% in price, station to station, EV chargers can be TRIPLE the price vs the one you passed earlier
I have just however got this BP email stating a 10p/kWh reduction from today thanks to "the Government’s Energy Bill Relief Scheme (EBRS), which was launched to support businesses through the energy crisis.?"... Not amazing but still. Hopefully others follow suit.
I'd like to see prices added to the big price/gal signs all stations have, although this may be a way in the future when more people care
I don't understand why electricity pumped into cars is eligible for govt subsidy. Seems grossly unfair, those that can't afford an electric car subsidising those that can. I have just however got this BP email stating a 10p/kWh reduction from today thanks to "the Government’s Energy Bill Relief Scheme (EBRS), which was launched to support businesses through the energy crisis.?"... Not amazing but still. Hopefully others follow suit.
I'd like to see prices added to the big price/gal signs all stations have, although this may be a way in the future when more people care
Where is the 10p/kWh discount for petrol/Diesel? That'd bring the price of fuel back down below a quid a litre, which would be great for the economy.
Agreed that the prices should be on the forecourt signs though - the price of it certainly should be advertised far and wide, so we can see whose taking the proverbial, not hidden at the charger.
Matthen said:
I don't understand why electricity pumped into cars is eligible for govt subsidy. Seems grossly unfair, those that can't afford an electric car subsidising those that can.
Where is the 10p/kWh discount for petrol/Diesel? That'd bring the price of fuel back down below a quid a litre, which would be great for the economy.
Agreed that the prices should be on the forecourt signs though - the price of it certainly should be advertised far and wide, so we can see whose taking the proverbial, not hidden at the charger.
It's not an EV specific subsidy as you perceive. Where is the 10p/kWh discount for petrol/Diesel? That'd bring the price of fuel back down below a quid a litre, which would be great for the economy.
Agreed that the prices should be on the forecourt signs though - the price of it certainly should be advertised far and wide, so we can see whose taking the proverbial, not hidden at the charger.
If you're a business, you will get help, even a petrol station, or your local pub, would get help with their electricity bills under this scheme. What's wrong with that? Isn't that going to help the economy if a pub isn't forced to close due to crippling energy bills?
"The current Energy Bill Relief Scheme announced in September comes to an end in March 2023. It supports businesses and public sector organisations such as schools and hospitals by providing a discount on wholesale gas and electricity prices."
"Example 1: A pub
A pub uses 4 MWh of electricity and 16 MWh of gas a month. They signed a fixed contract in August 2022, giving them a current monthly energy bill of about £7,000. At the time they signed their contact, wholesale prices for the next 6 months were expected to be higher than the government supported price of £211/MWh for electricity, and £75/MWh for gas, meaning they can receive support under this scheme.
The difference between expected wholesale prices when they signed their contract and the government supported price is worth £380/MWh for electricity and £100/MWh for gas, meaning they receive a discount of £3,100 per month, reducing their bill by over 40%."
Source: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/energy-bill-relief-sch...
raspy said:
Matthen said:
I don't understand why electricity pumped into cars is eligible for govt subsidy. Seems grossly unfair, those that can't afford an electric car subsidising those that can.
Where is the 10p/kWh discount for petrol/Diesel? That'd bring the price of fuel back down below a quid a litre, which would be great for the economy.
Agreed that the prices should be on the forecourt signs though - the price of it certainly should be advertised far and wide, so we can see whose taking the proverbial, not hidden at the charger.
It's not an EV specific subsidy as you perceive. Where is the 10p/kWh discount for petrol/Diesel? That'd bring the price of fuel back down below a quid a litre, which would be great for the economy.
Agreed that the prices should be on the forecourt signs though - the price of it certainly should be advertised far and wide, so we can see whose taking the proverbial, not hidden at the charger.
If you're a business, you will get help, even a petrol station, or your local pub, would get help with their electricity bills under this scheme. What's wrong with that? Isn't that going to help the economy if a pub isn't forced to close due to crippling energy bills?
"The current Energy Bill Relief Scheme announced in September comes to an end in March 2023. It supports businesses and public sector organisations such as schools and hospitals by providing a discount on wholesale gas and electricity prices."
"Example 1: A pub
A pub uses 4 MWh of electricity and 16 MWh of gas a month. They signed a fixed contract in August 2022, giving them a current monthly energy bill of about £7,000. At the time they signed their contact, wholesale prices for the next 6 months were expected to be higher than the government supported price of £211/MWh for electricity, and £75/MWh for gas, meaning they can receive support under this scheme.
The difference between expected wholesale prices when they signed their contract and the government supported price is worth £380/MWh for electricity and £100/MWh for gas, meaning they receive a discount of £3,100 per month, reducing their bill by over 40%."
Source: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/energy-bill-relief-sch...
In the case of an EV supply, it isn't a supposed to be a subsidy for the electricity for resale.
That would be more like the pub example being subsidised for purchasing beer.. which they then sell on.
No ideas for a name said:
Unless I am missing something... the example given for the pub, it is a subsidy to support the energy costs used to run that pub.
In the case of an EV supply, it isn't a supposed to be a subsidy for the electricity for resale.
That would be more like the pub example being subsidised for purchasing beer.. which they then sell on.
Yes, and the scheme supports the ability of a business like a chargepoint company to be able to run their business by getting a discount on electricity. In the case of an EV supply, it isn't a supposed to be a subsidy for the electricity for resale.
That would be more like the pub example being subsidised for purchasing beer.. which they then sell on.
Simple.
I haven’t got an issue with chargepoint using the scheme to discount the cost of running their business - ie, running their server farms and the office air con.
Using it to discount energy they’re directly reselling is completely different and should be excluded from the scheme. Its equivalent would be octopus announcing they are knocking another 10p/kWh off everyone’s rates, because the government have launched this additional subsidy - they’ve not done this - so why are electricity resellers who exclusively serve the automotive sector allowed to?
Using it to discount energy they’re directly reselling is completely different and should be excluded from the scheme. Its equivalent would be octopus announcing they are knocking another 10p/kWh off everyone’s rates, because the government have launched this additional subsidy - they’ve not done this - so why are electricity resellers who exclusively serve the automotive sector allowed to?
Matthen said:
I don't understand why electricity pumped into cars is eligible for govt subsidy. Seems grossly unfair, those that can't afford an electric car subsidising those that can.
This is the way our taxation system has always worked - those who are in a position to do what the government wants at any given time, get subsidised by those who aren't. Or to put it another way, taxation has never been about being "fair" - it's about revenue raising and social engineering. In this case though, it does appear to be an anomaly; the subsidy wasn't meant to be used for a business's primary product!
I agree with the OP that it would be good for places to clearly advertise their price in the same way they do for petrol, ideally along with the speed or the chargers and number of available chargers.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 2nd February 18:43
kambites said:
This is the way our taxation system has always worked - those who are in a position to do what the government wants at any given time, get subsidised by those who aren't. Or to put it another way, taxation has never been about being "fair" - it's about revenue raising and social engineering.
In this case though, it does appear to be an anomaly; the subsidy wasn't meant to be used for a business's primary product!
I agree with the OP that it would be good for places to clearly advertise their price in the same way they do for petrol, ideally along with the speed or the chargers and number of available chargers.
Presumably Shell and BP can apply for the subsidy as well, as I am sure their businesses consume a lot of energy?In this case though, it does appear to be an anomaly; the subsidy wasn't meant to be used for a business's primary product!
I agree with the OP that it would be good for places to clearly advertise their price in the same way they do for petrol, ideally along with the speed or the chargers and number of available chargers.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 2nd February 18:43
No ideas for a name said:
raspy said:
Matthen said:
I don't understand why electricity pumped into cars is eligible for govt subsidy. Seems grossly unfair, those that can't afford an electric car subsidising those that can.
Where is the 10p/kWh discount for petrol/Diesel? That'd bring the price of fuel back down below a quid a litre, which would be great for the economy.
Agreed that the prices should be on the forecourt signs though - the price of it certainly should be advertised far and wide, so we can see whose taking the proverbial, not hidden at the charger.
It's not an EV specific subsidy as you perceive. Where is the 10p/kWh discount for petrol/Diesel? That'd bring the price of fuel back down below a quid a litre, which would be great for the economy.
Agreed that the prices should be on the forecourt signs though - the price of it certainly should be advertised far and wide, so we can see whose taking the proverbial, not hidden at the charger.
If you're a business, you will get help, even a petrol station, or your local pub, would get help with their electricity bills under this scheme. What's wrong with that? Isn't that going to help the economy if a pub isn't forced to close due to crippling energy bills?
"The current Energy Bill Relief Scheme announced in September comes to an end in March 2023. It supports businesses and public sector organisations such as schools and hospitals by providing a discount on wholesale gas and electricity prices."
"Example 1: A pub
A pub uses 4 MWh of electricity and 16 MWh of gas a month. They signed a fixed contract in August 2022, giving them a current monthly energy bill of about £7,000. At the time they signed their contact, wholesale prices for the next 6 months were expected to be higher than the government supported price of £211/MWh for electricity, and £75/MWh for gas, meaning they can receive support under this scheme.
The difference between expected wholesale prices when they signed their contract and the government supported price is worth £380/MWh for electricity and £100/MWh for gas, meaning they receive a discount of £3,100 per month, reducing their bill by over 40%."
Source: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/energy-bill-relief-sch...
In the case of an EV supply, it isn't a supposed to be a subsidy for the electricity for resale.
That would be more like the pub example being subsidised for purchasing beer.. which they then sell on.
It's the same as energy companies selling power that goes into EV's (and everything else) for less. The same for companies that run the trucks that supply petrol stations.
It's pointless to look at this as one taxpayer paying for another's benefit, it has nothing to do with that. The energy caps are in place to keep all businesses ticking over and viable so there is not a domestic economic meltdown or massive rise in prices of retail energy/fuel/goods/food etc.
What's the upset? The government are attempting to apply policy designed to soften inflation and to stabilise the commercial sectors economic output. This isn't the politics of any particular party, and ruling party would be rightly advised to do the same given the current inflated energy prices.
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