Que System Needs Inventing

[DSLiverpool]

For charging what’s worse than range anxiety is que jump anxiety / conflict / stress and it’ll get worse.

Anyone coming up with a viable system will clean up.

Edited by DSLiverpool on Saturday 21st January 09:19

[LHRFlightman]

[thebraketester]

I have thought of one. Needs to be like the old fashioned “take a ticket” at delicatessens.

Turn up.

Get private code from set of chargers and at the same time it gives you your queue position number. (Could be done on app too with geolocation to stop advanced booking)

Wait your turn.

Park in space and enter code to unlock charger.

If someone takes a code and has vanished or gone walkies and it’s their turn, a 5 minute grace period happens after which the queue skips them to the next in line,

Edited by thebraketester on Saturday 21st January 11:18

[DSLiverpool]

thebraketester said:

I have thought of one. Needs to be like the old fashioned “take a ticket” at delicatessens.

Turn up.
Get private code from set of chargers and at the same time it gives you your queue position number. (Could be done on app too with geolocation to stop advanced booking)

Wait your turn.

Park in space and enter code to unlock charger.

If someone takes a code and has vanished or gone walkies and it’s their turn, a 5 minute grace period happens after which the queue skips them to the next in line,

Yes - now get all services to adopt it. They will after the first mass brawl

[CoolHands]

Aren’t the chargers already unreliable enough that adding another layer (geolinked app booking) will really fk it up?!

Plus part of the problem is the way these chargers are dumped into existing services with no brainpower invested in how are people going to queue when v. busy therefore waiting. So they’re sticking out into the lanes etc

All in all, pretty obvious problems I would have thought!

[thebraketester]

Virtual queues eliminate the need to actually queue in line where there is no provision for such a thing.

I realise I am pie-in-the-skying here…. But it’s all possible. The ionity app already uses geolocation and knows when you are near a charger or not.

[Joshandcars]

LHRFlightman said:

This was the comment I came for

[granada203028]

Yes we will soon have first class, business class, premium economy, economy style hierarchical system, pre booking, checking in, speedy boarding, join different ques etc. Lots of opportunity for "apps" etc. We argue over meeting rooms at work because somehow Outlook allows double bookings...

The Leaf is great but I keep the ICE car for back up and those occasional long journeys.

[TheDeuce]

Queue.

[craigjm]

Solution to a problem that won’t exist by the time the vast majority of people actually buy EV’s. What you are seeing now is early adopter pain.

[the tribester]

thebraketester said:

I have thought of one. Needs to be like the old fashioned “take a ticket” at delicatessens.

Turn up.

Get private code from set of chargers and at the same time it gives you your queue position number. (Could be done on app too with geolocation to stop advanced booking)

Wait your turn.

Park in space and enter code to unlock charger.

If someone takes a code and has vanished or gone walkies and it’s their turn, a 5 minute grace period happens after which the queue skips them to the next in line,

Edited by thebraketester on Saturday 21st January 11:18

I cannot see a queuing range anxious driver waiting near an empty charger for 4 minutes 59 seconds.

[TheDeuce]

craigjm said:

Solution to a problem that won’t exist by the time the vast majority of people actually buy EV’s. What you are seeing now is early adopter pain.

Tbh the impression I get is that it's people worrying about 'the pain' and thus not yet adopting. Virtually all of those on these forums that have, seem to be able to home charge, which makes early adoption pretty painless.

It is odd to me that so many who cannot install a home charger look at the world today and imagine it will be the same in 10-20 years time when they might have some reason to move to EV.

[page3]

For Superchargers it could be easily managed via a “virtual queuing” system as it’s all built in to the car.

For others, more tricky. Probably better just to offer more chargers and more space to easily wait. Lots of sites are pretty cramped.

Oh, and mandate destination chargers at hotels. Bookable with a room.

[craigjm]

TheDeuce said:

craigjm said:

Solution to a problem that won’t exist by the time the vast majority of people actually buy EV’s. What you are seeing now is early adopter pain.

Tbh the impression I get is that it's people worrying about 'the pain' and thus not yet adopting. Virtually all of those on these forums that have, seem to be able to home charge, which makes early adoption pretty painless.

It is odd to me that so many who cannot install a home charger look at the world today and imagine it will be the same in 10-20 years time when they might have some reason to move to EV.

Absolutely. 12 years or so time when it really matters your average focus size car will probably do 400 miles on a charge and charge to full in 30 mins and there will be chargers in every parking space at the supermarket etc.

Nobody has a petrol pump at home so the charge at home stuff is a blocker myth. The issue is convenience

[Pepperpots]

craigjm said:

12 years or so time when it really matters your average focus size car will probably do 400 miles on a charge and charge to full in 30 mins and there will be chargers in every parking space at the supermarket etc.

Mmm, we shall see ...

[tamore]

page3 said:

For Superchargers it could be easily managed via a “virtual queuing” system as it’s all built in to the car.

For others, more tricky. Probably better just to offer more chargers and more space to easily wait. Lots of sites are pretty cramped.

Oh, and mandate destination chargers at hotels. Bookable with a room.

destination charging is a real weak point. i'm off to a place with about 80 lodges just over the border in scotland, but there isn't a single charger onsite. i get there not being 50kW+ chargers as they are £££, but putting in a bank of 10 x 7kW chargers would be relatively cheap. if destination charging was ubiquitous, i'm pretty sure the stress would be taken off the trunk road rapid charging infrastructure (though we do need a shed load more of it, and properly planned, not just put at the back of a car park)

[TheDeuce]

tamore said:

page3 said:

For Superchargers it could be easily managed via a “virtual queuing” system as it’s all built in to the car.

For others, more tricky. Probably better just to offer more chargers and more space to easily wait. Lots of sites are pretty cramped.

Oh, and mandate destination chargers at hotels. Bookable with a room.

destination charging is a real weak point. i'm off to a place with about 80 lodges just over the border in scotland, but there isn't a single charger onsite. i get there not being 50kW+ chargers as they are £££, but putting in a bank of 10 x 7kW chargers would be relatively cheap. if destination charging was ubiquitous, i'm pretty sure the stress would be taken off the trunk road rapid charging infrastructure (though we do need a shed load more of it, and properly planned, not just put at the back of a car park)

On the face of it, it does seem silly that a place with 80 lodges don't offer charging, they must be putting off some potential customers at this point.

But Scotland doesn't seem to be on the same page with EV's as England - most likely because the relatively low density population and expanses to be driven with not much of anything, let alone a handy high speed charger station, make EV a hard sell in Scotland without significant investment.

I'm sure that investment will come but in due course but right now, posts bemoaning charging in Scotland seem to very frequent on these forums.

[craigjm]

Pepperpots said:

craigjm said:

12 years or so time when it really matters your average focus size car will probably do 400 miles on a charge and charge to full in 30 mins and there will be chargers in every parking space at the supermarket etc.

Mmm, we shall see ...

How many petrol pumps were there in 1895? 20 years later it’s a different story

The masses will only shift when the above is true. It has to happen for electric cars to become a majority. It has to become (almost) as convenient as liquid fuel.

[tamore]

TheDeuce said:

tamore said:

page3 said:

For Superchargers it could be easily managed via a “virtual queuing” system as it’s all built in to the car.

For others, more tricky. Probably better just to offer more chargers and more space to easily wait. Lots of sites are pretty cramped.

Oh, and mandate destination chargers at hotels. Bookable with a room.

destination charging is a real weak point. i'm off to a place with about 80 lodges just over the border in scotland, but there isn't a single charger onsite. i get there not being 50kW+ chargers as they are £££, but putting in a bank of 10 x 7kW chargers would be relatively cheap. if destination charging was ubiquitous, i'm pretty sure the stress would be taken off the trunk road rapid charging infrastructure (though we do need a shed load more of it, and properly planned, not just put at the back of a car park)

On the face of it, it does seem silly that a place with 80 lodges don't offer charging, they must be putting off some potential customers at this point.

But Scotland doesn't seem to be on the same page with EV's as England - most likely because the relatively low density population and expanses to be driven with not much of anything, let alone a handy high speed charger station, make EV a hard sell in Scotland without significant investment.

I'm sure that investment will come but in due course but right now, posts bemoaning charging in Scotland seem to very frequent on these forums.

to be fair, castle douglas is about 15 miles away and since we last went has put in a couple of rapid charging stations and about 20 x 7kW units in a free to use car park. and……. they're badged at 25p kW/h

Edited by tamore on Sunday 22 January 20:09

[TheDeuce]

tamore said:

TheDeuce said:

tamore said:

page3 said:

For Superchargers it could be easily managed via a “virtual queuing” system as it’s all built in to the car.

For others, more tricky. Probably better just to offer more chargers and more space to easily wait. Lots of sites are pretty cramped.

Oh, and mandate destination chargers at hotels. Bookable with a room.

destination charging is a real weak point. i'm off to a place with about 80 lodges just over the border in scotland, but there isn't a single charger onsite. i get there not being 50kW+ chargers as they are £££, but putting in a bank of 10 x 7kW chargers would be relatively cheap. if destination charging was ubiquitous, i'm pretty sure the stress would be taken off the trunk road rapid charging infrastructure (though we do need a shed load more of it, and properly planned, not just put at the back of a car park)

On the face of it, it does seem silly that a place with 80 lodges don't offer charging, they must be putting off some potential customers at this point.

But Scotland doesn't seem to be on the same page with EV's as England - most likely because the relatively low density population and expanses to be driven with not much of anything, let alone a handy high speed charger station, make EV a hard sell in Scotland without significant investment.

I'm sure that investment will come but in due course but right now, posts bemoaning charging in Scotland seem to very frequent on these forums.

to be fair, castle douglas is about 15 miles away and since we last went has put in a couple of rapid charging stations and about 20 x 7kW units in a free to use car park. and……. they're badged at 25p kW/h

Edited by tamore on Sunday 22 January 20:09

Let us know what the actual rate is when you plug in