LPG is disappearing - never mind diesel!!

[V8 FOU]

Shell have withdrawn all their LPG pumps now. As have quite a few others. Some places that are working are charging 120p/litre. Locally, ish, I pay 79p which makes my Cayenne pretty good. Usual mpg is c18 = 28 on LPG. Plus it runs really clean. Oil doesn't discolour etc.
But it would appear that the number of (working) filling stations is shrinking.

[Pica-Pica]

I hope LPG is t disappearing, that’s what I heat my house with.

[CraigyMc]

autogas was 0.2% of road fuel use. Is it any surprise it's being demised?

[paintman]

Shell stopped doing it a couple of years ago.

If you have a look at the autogas app you'll find quite a few places still do it.
Shows location & price with sometimes an update as to when a particular sites price & availability was updated.
If it has a red X then it's worth a quick phone call & I found a couple had got it, just hadn't been updated.
https://autogas.app/
I've got a Flogas site nearby & that's currently 79ppl

During the peak of petrol/diesel price last year petrol locally was just under £2 a litre & I was paying 69.9 for a litre of LPG.
Most I paid was 99ppl on the annual Cornwall run.

[V8 FOU]

I have that app.
Trouble is - it's 18 miles to the nearest filling point from here! I am going to fit a 2nd tank soon ,so I'll have around 120lt at 80%.

[CraigyMc]

V8 FOU said:

I have that app.
Trouble is - it's 18 miles to the nearest filling point from here! I am going to fit a 2nd tank soon ,so I'll have around 120lt at 80%.

When it's 100 miles to the nearest one, will you fit more tanks to get there?

This sort of thing is why BEVs are a pain in the backside.

[Scrump]

I fill the gas tank in my camper with lpg from filling stations. It is getting harder to find locations that still sell it.

[TheDeuce]

CraigyMc said:

V8 FOU said:

I have that app.
Trouble is - it's 18 miles to the nearest filling point from here! I am going to fit a 2nd tank soon ,so I'll have around 120lt at 80%.

When it's 100 miles to the nearest one, will you fit more tanks to get there?

This sort of thing is why BEVs are a pain in the backside.

Yep, it's a total nightmare filling your car up at home for next to nothing whilst you sleep soundly. Worst decision I ever made



But anyway.. LPG is used for heating too so it'll be around still, but I expect more stations to stop selling it - over time the very few that still do will be spread far apart and will basically have the LPG market to themselves for their area, as such they will likely make money by continuing to sell it so long as enough cars still exist vaguely within distance that require it.

I'd sack it off ASAP if I was reliant on it for a daily though.

[Smint]

One or two Shell garages still selling it, the one just off Jct 14 MI M/Keynes springs to mind.

Morrisons and i believe Sainsburys have banned adaptors due to pump damage, though i still see people using adaptors at my local Morrisons fill point, if they really are getting pump fitting damage then clumsy drivers with dodgy equipment arn't exactly helping the situation if its costing the garage in repairs.

[CraigyMc]

TheDeuce said:

CraigyMc said:

V8 FOU said:

I have that app.
Trouble is - it's 18 miles to the nearest filling point from here! I am going to fit a 2nd tank soon ,so I'll have around 120lt at 80%.

When it's 100 miles to the nearest one, will you fit more tanks to get there?

This sort of thing is why BEVs are a pain in the backside.

Yep, it's a total nightmare filling your car up at home for next to nothing whilst you sleep soundly. Worst decision I ever made



But anyway.. LPG is used for heating too so it'll be around still, but I expect more stations to stop selling it - over time the very few that still do will be spread far apart and will basically have the LPG market to themselves for their area, as such they will likely make money by continuing to sell it so long as enough cars still exist vaguely within distance that require it.

I'd sack it off ASAP if I was reliant on it for a daily though.

The bit I was referring to was range versus where you can refill *quickly*. Also, it was written while this topic was in GG not in BEV/Alternative Fuel.

For LPG heating would it not be a truck going around delivering bottles (and directly filling storage tanks on countryside houses and the like)? I'd imagine the filling station LPG stuff will all disappear.

Must admit, the only time I've ever used autogas was to refill an bottle on a rented campervan (that was actually the hab module's heating/fridge/cooker). The motor was diesel.

[irish boy]

Dacia are even supplying new dusters etc now already converted with full factory warranty.

I run a lpg van daily and have no problem finding it. Being only a 1.4 it gets 430 miles to a tank, It’s done 140k now (120 with me) no issues.

[TheDeuce]

CraigyMc said:

TheDeuce said:

CraigyMc said:

V8 FOU said:

I have that app.
Trouble is - it's 18 miles to the nearest filling point from here! I am going to fit a 2nd tank soon ,so I'll have around 120lt at 80%.

When it's 100 miles to the nearest one, will you fit more tanks to get there?

This sort of thing is why BEVs are a pain in the backside.

Yep, it's a total nightmare filling your car up at home for next to nothing whilst you sleep soundly. Worst decision I ever made



But anyway.. LPG is used for heating too so it'll be around still, but I expect more stations to stop selling it - over time the very few that still do will be spread far apart and will basically have the LPG market to themselves for their area, as such they will likely make money by continuing to sell it so long as enough cars still exist vaguely within distance that require it.

I'd sack it off ASAP if I was reliant on it for a daily though.

The bit I was referring to was range versus where you can refill *quickly*. Also, it was written while this topic was in GG not in BEV/Alternative Fuel.

For LPG heating would it not be a truck going around delivering bottles (and directly filling storage tanks on countryside houses and the like)? I'd imagine the filling station LPG stuff will all disappear.

Must admit, the only time I've ever used autogas was to refill an bottle on a rented campervan (that was actually the hab module's heating/fridge/cooker). The motor was diesel.

The difference is that it takes effectively zero time to charge at home, which gives a decent EV at very least 200 miles range. These days within that range there are high speed 100-150kw chargers at regular intervals pretty much whatever direction you set in for your 200m ++ journey. At this stage it would be unusual for a charge at home EV driver to need to go out of their way to charge up to complete a long journey. Obviously for LPG that need is becoming more frequent as the stations are shutting down all over the place.

As my previous post, I think not all LPG stations will disappear, but the number will shrink to match the number needed by people that are committed to hanging onto their converted car to such an extent they'll make a pilgrimage journey to fill it up once a month or whatever. If you have a classic that has been converted, you kind of have no option because you have to run the car to keep it healthy so you have to drive to wherever still sells the stuff. Those place will hoover up the middling sales of all the other stations in their area that shut down first.

[FilH]

I think the big issue is to do with filling station tanks having a useable life span, and now once in need of replacement, the demand isn't there so not worth replacing. A shame really.


It seems like this is happening to the Sainsbury's sites at the moment.



Been running my daily on it for 2yrs now since i bought it ( already converted ) and wish I'd picked up a converted car years ago.

[Smint]

irish boy said:

Dacia are even supplying new dusters etc now already converted with full factory warranty.

I run a lpg van daily and have no problem finding it. Being only a 1.4 it gets 430 miles to a tank, It’s done 140k now (120 with me) no issues.

Couple of things people should note.

They come with the continental filler, adaptor required for UK LPG pumps, adaptor banned at many UK supermarket fillers, you could have a UK filler retrofitted but it probably won't fit behind the fuel filler flap so a dirty great hole will need to be drilled in the bumper or rear quarter panel, ok if you've bought the car but if on lease or pcp or whatever that could be a problem.

Not sure if flashlube system is included in the Dacia conversion, several different car makers have offered new cars supplied with LPG conversions over the years (usually converted after import, not factory fit), almost none of these came with a flashlube system as standard, many suffered valve seat recession which could have been prevented had flashlube been fitted.

[TheDeuce]

FilH said:

I think the big issue is to do with filling station tanks having a useable life span, and now once in need of replacement, the demand isn't there so not worth replacing. A shame really.


It seems like this is happening to the Sainsbury's sites at the moment.



Been running my daily on it for 2yrs now since i bought it ( already converted ) and wish I'd picked up a converted car years ago.

You're quite right but as I keep saying, there is a market out there that has no option but to continue to buy - someone will find a way to make that possible however inconvenient it is for the buyer. In ten years time, it will still be possible to fill up 'somewhere' if you really don't want to let the car go or convert back to petrol.

But I expect most people will give up due to the inconvenience, sell the car or convert back to petrol and sell - and be done with it.

Perhaps this is why there is such interest in classics being converted to electric now - because they have already been converted into LPG and that looks to no longer be practical depending on where you live.

[FilH]

TheDeuce said:

FilH said:

I think the big issue is to do with filling station tanks having a useable life span, and now once in need of replacement, the demand isn't there so not worth replacing. A shame really.


It seems like this is happening to the Sainsbury's sites at the moment.



Been running my daily on it for 2yrs now since i bought it ( already converted ) and wish I'd picked up a converted car years ago.

You're quite right but as I keep saying, there is a market out there that has no option but to continue to buy - someone will find a way to make that possible however inconvenient it is for the buyer. In ten years time, it will still be possible to fill up 'somewhere' if you really don't want to let the car go or convert back to petrol.

But I expect most people will give up due to the inconvenience, sell the car or convert back to petrol and sell - and be done with it.

Perhaps this is why there is such interest in classics being converted to electric now - because they have already been converted into LPG and that looks to no longer be practical depending on where you live.

This reads to me your saying some people converted and can only run on lpg?

Didn't realise this was a thing. Thought most were like mine, still have all the original petrol running system, and then a large tank or smaller spare wheel tank.

[TheDeuce]

FilH said:

TheDeuce said:

FilH said:

I think the big issue is to do with filling station tanks having a useable life span, and now once in need of replacement, the demand isn't there so not worth replacing. A shame really.


It seems like this is happening to the Sainsbury's sites at the moment.



Been running my daily on it for 2yrs now since i bought it ( already converted ) and wish I'd picked up a converted car years ago.

You're quite right but as I keep saying, there is a market out there that has no option but to continue to buy - someone will find a way to make that possible however inconvenient it is for the buyer. In ten years time, it will still be possible to fill up 'somewhere' if you really don't want to let the car go or convert back to petrol.

But I expect most people will give up due to the inconvenience, sell the car or convert back to petrol and sell - and be done with it.

Perhaps this is why there is such interest in classics being converted to electric now - because they have already been converted into LPG and that looks to no longer be practical depending on where you live.

This reads to me your saying some people converted and can only run on lpg?

Didn't realise this was a thing. Thought most were like mine, still have all the original petrol running system, and then a large tank or smaller spare wheel tank.

I thought some classics had to be one or the other - if that's wrong I apologise. They were the customers I was envisaging having little choice but to continue to seek out LPG.

For the majority who made the switch on their daily to save ££ I appreciate they can run dual fuel and go back to petrol full time, but then the car is as expensive as it was before those people paid for the conversion in the first place, which I would assume would make most eventually give up and find another car that was inherently more efficient.

Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 5th January 22:44

Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 5th January 22:45

[Evanivitch]

Where's that Simon bloke from Yorkshire to tell us otherwise?

[TheDeuce]

Evanivitch said:

Where's that Simon bloke from Yorkshire to tell us otherwise?

I just checked and he last posted July 2022, I thought he'd emigrated! The post was to remind people "YOU CAN SAVE 50% ON YOUR FUEL BILL" again

He neglected to address the fact that since he joined almost all the places to buy LPG have given up

Speaking of neglect, his website could use an update: http://www.lpgc.co.uk/

[V8 FOU]

I was wondering what would be involved in using a bulk storage tank as in central heating, but with a pump to fill up my car?