2017 Auris Hybrid with 77k. Would you?
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I have been looking at changing to a hybrid for a while as most of my driving is short(ish) distance and stop/start in traffic which are ideal conditions for a hybrid.
A dealer near me has a 2017 with 77k on it so the price is much lower as a result (3-4k when compared to lower mileage examples).
I only do 6k a year so the mileage will balance back out over time and I wont run out of warranty by going over the 100k limit.
Looks nice in the photos (dont they all) and has a full toyota history with 6 stamps in the book including the hybrid checks. There is also the option to bolt another 2 years warranty on the end via Toyota if needed.
Am I being daft considering it or should I pay a bit more for the same thing but with a smaller number on the odometer?
The advert:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
A dealer near me has a 2017 with 77k on it so the price is much lower as a result (3-4k when compared to lower mileage examples).
I only do 6k a year so the mileage will balance back out over time and I wont run out of warranty by going over the 100k limit.
Looks nice in the photos (dont they all) and has a full toyota history with 6 stamps in the book including the hybrid checks. There is also the option to bolt another 2 years warranty on the end via Toyota if needed.
Am I being daft considering it or should I pay a bit more for the same thing but with a smaller number on the odometer?
The advert:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Thats my current thinking.
Its been 'used' and well look after compared to some low mileage examples that only pop to and from the shops a few times a week. Not having seen the paperwork but it must have been back for a service every 4-6 months.
They have another one for sale as well which is slightly older but similar miles so assume there is a company that runs them up to a 3 years/70k ish limit then swaps them out somewhere in Essex.
Its been 'used' and well look after compared to some low mileage examples that only pop to and from the shops a few times a week. Not having seen the paperwork but it must have been back for a service every 4-6 months.
They have another one for sale as well which is slightly older but similar miles so assume there is a company that runs them up to a 3 years/70k ish limit then swaps them out somewhere in Essex.
The hybrid drive units just go on and on, this is a consumers reports analysis for a car with a gen 1 hybrid drive unit - the current hybrid drive unit will last even better.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/02/t...
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/02/t...
The hybrid report that is produced as part of the service, does it give a percentage of battery life remaining (or similar) like what you see on your phones/laptop?
For example, it currently holds max 93% of its original 100% capacity so you can see the degradation or is that not how it works?
For example, it currently holds max 93% of its original 100% capacity so you can see the degradation or is that not how it works?
Yes and no. Have you driven one of those?
Auris hybrid touring could be the new definition for dull.
£13k seems strong money. But it will be very reliable. Still see plenty of gen 1 Prius running and they have to be 20 years old now?
I was considering one as replacement for my rx400h. But that 1.8 engine is horrific. Zero flexibility.
Auris hybrid touring could be the new definition for dull.
£13k seems strong money. But it will be very reliable. Still see plenty of gen 1 Prius running and they have to be 20 years old now?
I was considering one as replacement for my rx400h. But that 1.8 engine is horrific. Zero flexibility.
KTF said:
The hybrid report that is produced as part of the service, does it give a percentage of battery life remaining (or similar) like what you see on your phones/laptop?
For example, it currently holds max 93% of its original 100% capacity so you can see the degradation or is that not how it works?
Forget your phone or any consumer electronics, the battery in these cars work nothing like them.For example, it currently holds max 93% of its original 100% capacity so you can see the degradation or is that not how it works?
The electric motor isn't designed to really drive the car, more to enable the combustion engine to run the atkinson cycle and deliver diesel like efficiency but with petrol, the electric motor is there to plug in the drop in torque due to the atkinson cycle.
From memory the car will only ever push the batteries at 30-80% charge status, so as an result they are very unstressed compared to a battery in an EV or even Plug in Hybrid.
This is why these cars can do crazy miles and never see a drop off in efficiency, if the battery pack needs repair there are also loads of independents who can do them. Compared to a old high millage TDI these car are very reliable.
Read the Consumer Reports article I have linked, or if you don't want to read watch the video summary.
https://youtu.be/8DRQEusvNis
Petrol Only said:
Yes and no. Have you driven one of those?
Auris hybrid touring could be the new definition for dull.
£13k seems strong money. But it will be very reliable. Still see plenty of gen 1 Prius running and they have to be 20 years old now?
I was considering one as replacement for my rx400h. But that 1.8 engine is horrific. Zero flexibility.
I have not driven one yet but am under no illusion that they are very much white goods designed to go from a to b with minimal excitement.Auris hybrid touring could be the new definition for dull.
£13k seems strong money. But it will be very reliable. Still see plenty of gen 1 Prius running and they have to be 20 years old now?
I was considering one as replacement for my rx400h. But that 1.8 engine is horrific. Zero flexibility.
Given I cant remember the last time I went for a drive for fun and spend almost all of my time in stop/start traffic which is why I am looking for something to go to/from work, nursery drop off/pickup, shopping, etc. with minimal stress.
gangzoom said:
KTF said:
The hybrid report that is produced as part of the service, does it give a percentage of battery life remaining (or similar) like what you see on your phones/laptop?
For example, it currently holds max 93% of its original 100% capacity so you can see the degradation or is that not how it works?
You don't need to worry about the battery. It's not there to drive the car, more to enable the combustion engine to run the atkinson cycle and deliver diesel like efficiency but with petrol, the electric motor is there to plug the drop in torque due to the atkinson cycle.For example, it currently holds max 93% of its original 100% capacity so you can see the degradation or is that not how it works?
From memory the car will only ever push the batteries at 30-80% charge status, so as an result they are very unstressed compared to a battery in an EV or even Plug in Hybrid.
This is why these cars can do crazy miles and never see a drop off in efficiency, if the battery pack needs repair there are also loads of independents who can do them. Compared to a old high millage TDI these car are very reliable.
Read the Consumer Reports article I have linked, or if you don't want to read watch the video summary.
https://youtu.be/8DRQEusvNis
When work sent me out to Rome over several months, I have sat in the back of many Auris, Prius, Prius+ taxis with incredible mileages on them and still going strong. The system is very clever and, noise aside, the blend between petrol and electric is very smooth.
Had one of these new in 2017. They're comfortable and spacious inside and from what you say in your original post I think it would tailor perfectly to your needs.
My only criticism would be that the 1.8 petrol is absolutely gutless and has to work very hard when accelerating on slip roads etc. to gather any sort of speed.
As previously said I wouldn't let the mileage put you off, the hybrid powertrains are proving to be quite reliable and 77k isn't really all that much for any modern car. If anything it's an indication it's been slogged up and down the motorway and hopefully shouldn't have worn too much on the brakes, engine and suspension like a lower mileage city car might have.
My only criticism would be that the 1.8 petrol is absolutely gutless and has to work very hard when accelerating on slip roads etc. to gather any sort of speed.
As previously said I wouldn't let the mileage put you off, the hybrid powertrains are proving to be quite reliable and 77k isn't really all that much for any modern car. If anything it's an indication it's been slogged up and down the motorway and hopefully shouldn't have worn too much on the brakes, engine and suspension like a lower mileage city car might have.
A500leroy said:
Budget in a cat lock or similar if it hasnt got one fitted, hybrids are no 1 target for cat theft.
Thanks. Seems they are £250 from Toyota: https://blog.toyota.co.uk/catalytic-converter-thef...KTF said:
I have not driven one yet but am under no illusion that they are very much white goods designed to go from a to b with minimal excitement.
Really good sum-up ! It is a commute car with no fun, high MPG and low maintenance/service costs.If it is what you are looking for, then go for it ! I would be more concerned about the re-sale value (easy to check on actual 2015 models - if you care) than the mileage: they do 200k easy.
Only "well known" issue is that they can start to consume oil due to EGR system getting clogged. Easy to solve if spotted early: a good clean and you go again for 200k !
If you can negotiate the 80k service to be done, and check that tires and brakes are OK (might be new or dead at this mileage), then it is even better ! It is a "small" service every 10k (10/30/50...) and a "big" service every 20k (20/40/60...). At least at Lexus...
Hi,
It is hard to say, because the MPG on the car depends a lot on the journey you are doing...and your driving style.
Few examples: in winter, the car will keep the ICE longer in to warm up the engine, and even longer to warm up the cabin. As in summer, the engine kicks in few seconds and stop, so the car rely fully on battery again. So if you make (really) small journeys, your MPG will fluctuate a lot.
Also, I found that I have better MPG driving in London, than being stuck on (long) motorway traffic. Reason for that is if you are stuck on the motorway for few miles at low speed (0 to 10mph), due to an accident for example, you might run out of battery, maybe more than once. So the ICE will kick in to recharge the battery, which is not fuel efficient.... As in London traffic, where i drive, i don't stay often block more than a mile or so. So the battery recharge when "cruising" and decelerating, which is much more fuel efficient.
To sum-up, I average 60MPG all year round with 1/3 London, 1/3 suburb and 1/3 highway. Mine is from 2011, so yours will be slightly updated. Driving cool and anticipating, no doubt you can reach 60MPG. Maybe more, you will see... Maybe a bit less too You need to want it to do anything less than 50-55MPG...
It is hard to say, because the MPG on the car depends a lot on the journey you are doing...and your driving style.
Few examples: in winter, the car will keep the ICE longer in to warm up the engine, and even longer to warm up the cabin. As in summer, the engine kicks in few seconds and stop, so the car rely fully on battery again. So if you make (really) small journeys, your MPG will fluctuate a lot.
Also, I found that I have better MPG driving in London, than being stuck on (long) motorway traffic. Reason for that is if you are stuck on the motorway for few miles at low speed (0 to 10mph), due to an accident for example, you might run out of battery, maybe more than once. So the ICE will kick in to recharge the battery, which is not fuel efficient.... As in London traffic, where i drive, i don't stay often block more than a mile or so. So the battery recharge when "cruising" and decelerating, which is much more fuel efficient.
To sum-up, I average 60MPG all year round with 1/3 London, 1/3 suburb and 1/3 highway. Mine is from 2011, so yours will be slightly updated. Driving cool and anticipating, no doubt you can reach 60MPG. Maybe more, you will see... Maybe a bit less too
You need to want it to do anything less than 50-55MPG...cedrichn said:
Hi,
It is hard to say, because the MPG on the car depends a lot on the journey you are doing...and your driving style.
Few examples: in winter, the car will keep the ICE longer in to warm up the engine, and even longer to warm up the cabin. As in summer, the engine kicks in few seconds and stop, so the car rely fully on battery again. So if you make (really) small journeys, your MPG will fluctuate a lot.
Also, I found that I have better MPG driving in London, than being stuck on (long) motorway traffic. Reason for that is if you are stuck on the motorway for few miles at low speed (0 to 10mph), due to an accident for example, you might run out of battery, maybe more than once. So the ICE will kick in to recharge the battery, which is not fuel efficient.... As in London traffic, where i drive, i don't stay often block more than a mile or so. So the battery recharge when "cruising" and decelerating, which is much more fuel efficient.
To sum-up, I average 60MPG all year round with 1/3 London, 1/3 suburb and 1/3 highway. Mine is from 2011, so yours will be slightly updated. Driving cool and anticipating, no doubt you can reach 60MPG. Maybe more, you will see... Maybe a bit less too You need to want it to do anything less than 50-55MPG...
Thanks for that informative post ! That corresponds well mpg for my diesel Toyota which is a Yaris and mainly driven around town.It is hard to say, because the MPG on the car depends a lot on the journey you are doing...and your driving style.
Few examples: in winter, the car will keep the ICE longer in to warm up the engine, and even longer to warm up the cabin. As in summer, the engine kicks in few seconds and stop, so the car rely fully on battery again. So if you make (really) small journeys, your MPG will fluctuate a lot.
Also, I found that I have better MPG driving in London, than being stuck on (long) motorway traffic. Reason for that is if you are stuck on the motorway for few miles at low speed (0 to 10mph), due to an accident for example, you might run out of battery, maybe more than once. So the ICE will kick in to recharge the battery, which is not fuel efficient.... As in London traffic, where i drive, i don't stay often block more than a mile or so. So the battery recharge when "cruising" and decelerating, which is much more fuel efficient.
To sum-up, I average 60MPG all year round with 1/3 London, 1/3 suburb and 1/3 highway. Mine is from 2011, so yours will be slightly updated. Driving cool and anticipating, no doubt you can reach 60MPG. Maybe more, you will see... Maybe a bit less too
You need to want it to do anything less than 50-55MPG...I'm still not convinced on going CVT, being a dinasaur, but Toyota seems to love them nowadays. They have gone from Freetronic on the first Yaris to MMT on later models and Aygo etc and now CVT. Each time is a dumbing down.
However, having spent £1500 on an MMT ecu and the actuator this year maybe the dumbed driving experience is worth it wallet wise.
I do agree that what you can read here and there is not motivating, and this system can't suits everyone (and every journery): you have to try to make your own opinion 
Like any auto gearbox, it is great in traffic and on congested road. Like any other EVs and PHEVs, you get fast use to comfort and silence at low speed.
Saying that, if I had lower annual mileage and/or less congested roads to go to work, the Lexus would be for sale tomorrow But in my actual journey, it suits perfectly my needs, and I am looking with envy to replace it with a IS/GS for more comfort and luxury
(and I do keep a manual gearbox car for the weekend
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Like any auto gearbox, it is great in traffic and on congested road. Like any other EVs and PHEVs, you get fast use to comfort and silence at low speed.
Saying that, if I had lower annual mileage and/or less congested roads to go to work, the Lexus would be for sale tomorrow
But in my actual journey, it suits perfectly my needs, and I am looking with envy to replace it with a IS/GS for more comfort and luxury(and I do keep a manual gearbox car for the weekend
)cedrichn said:
Really good sum-up ! It is a commute car with no fun, high MPG and low maintenance/service costs.
If it is what you are looking for, then go for it ! I would be more concerned about the re-sale value (easy to check on actual 2015 models - if you care) than the mileage: they do 200k easy.
Only "well known" issue is that they can start to consume oil due to EGR system getting clogged. Easy to solve if spotted early: a good clean and you go again for 200k !
If you can negotiate the 80k service to be done, and check that tires and brakes are OK (might be new or dead at this mileage), then it is even better ! It is a "small" service every 10k (10/30/50...) and a "big" service every 20k (20/40/60...). At least at Lexus...
Resale value as in when I come to sell it x years later with it closer or over 100k you mean?If it is what you are looking for, then go for it ! I would be more concerned about the re-sale value (easy to check on actual 2015 models - if you care) than the mileage: they do 200k easy.
Only "well known" issue is that they can start to consume oil due to EGR system getting clogged. Easy to solve if spotted early: a good clean and you go again for 200k !
If you can negotiate the 80k service to be done, and check that tires and brakes are OK (might be new or dead at this mileage), then it is even better ! It is a "small" service every 10k (10/30/50...) and a "big" service every 20k (20/40/60...). At least at Lexus...
I guess the EGR issue is not a service item/known issue Toyota knows about and something you have to check for yourself?
From memory the major service is £340 at Toyota on their fixed price system. After 5 years you can join the 5+ club and get 20% off.
The tyres in he picture dont look oem and are all the same brand (Prestivo) so the dealer may have swapped them prior to advertising it.
Edited by KTF on Thursday 9th January 13:57
KTF said:
Resale value as in when I come to sell it x years later with it closer or over 100k you mean?
Yes, and how to stand out of the crowd to make it attractive. The mileage is not an issue in term of reliability for those cars, but might be an issue for re-sale... I don't know the market of the Auris, I am just saying as a general remark/what I would check.KTF said:
I guess the EGR issue is not a service item/known issue Toyota knows about and something you have to check for yourself?
Toyota/Lexus are well aware, but they won't do much either as it arrives at high mileage. They did some design modification of the intake manifold over the years to reduce this effect, I am not sure how it is on the 2017 models... I advise you to spend some time on the Prius forums, they know everything around the 1.8 there It is not a massive concern: some people make preventive maintenance around 100k by cleaning manifold and EGR; some others do nothing and never have any issue... It should not drive your decision to buy or not: just keep an eye on the oil level, and if the car start to consume some, then ask/do a good clean of the intake system. There is space in the engine bay and despite the "complex" technology, the ICE is easy to work on and not really complex.
Once more, it is the only real issue on this engine, and happen (if happen) at high mileage (from 150k)
KTF said:
From memory the major service is £340 at Toyota on their fixed price system. After 5 years you can join the 5+ club and get 20% off.
Is it with the hybrid check ? Just saying, you can use it to decrease the price Edited by KTF on Thursday 9th January 13:57
cedrichn said:
Is it with the hybrid check ? Just saying, you can use it to decrease the price
Yes the hybrid check is 'free'. Its menu servicing so the same price for hybrid or non-hybrid version.Certainly going to be a negotiation point as its getting close to needing it and I will be taking it to Toyota rather than the selling dealer changing the oil, calling that a 'service' and stamping the book messing up the history.
Re the resale aspect, am aware that stuff close to/over 100k gets shunned by the public. Can only hope that by keeping it tidy and maintaining the main agent history, it will stand out more than the lower mileage alternatives. And over time the mileage and age will begin to match up again.
Edited by KTF on Thursday 9th January 14:59
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