Peugeot E-2008 SUV

[anonymous-user]

Late April 2020 for the UK



https://www.peugeot.co.uk/showroom/new-e2008-SUV/

[jjwilde]

It looks good inside and out for an SUV style car but the specs are just a bit... meh. Why is it so slow for example?

Oh wow it's almost the same price as a Tesla if you want anything other than poverty spec.

So almost twice the price of the very similar MG.

Edited by jjwilde on Monday 6th January 10:21

[ElectricSoup]

Why do they all have to be SUVs, FFS? Surely a light body is the best solution for EVs, to optimise range? Why can't we just have ordinary hatchbacks from manufacturers other than Nissan, like the Leaf? Why does EV tech seem to be becoming shackled to the ludicrous SUV trend? These are supposed to be environmentally optimal vehicles, why are we hell bent on selling/buying these compromised fashion statements?

Bloody hell.

Yours,
A frustrated Leaf owner who would like a better choice of non-SUV EVs when it comes to replacing it.

[anonymous-user]

ElectricSoup said:

Why do they all have to be SUVs, FFS? Surely a light body is the best solution for EVs, to optimise range? Why can't we just have ordinary hatchbacks from manufacturers other than Nissan, like the Leaf? Why does EV tech seem to be becoming shackled to the ludicrous SUV trend? These are supposed to be environmentally optimal vehicles, why are we hell bent on selling/buying these compromised fashion statements?

Bloody hell.

Yours,
A frustrated Leaf owner who would like a better choice of non-SUV EVs when it comes to replacing it.

I'm in pretty much that same boat too. When the i3 lease is up in September, I have no desire to move into an SUV sized vehicle.

[gangzoom]

ElectricSoup said:

Why does EV tech seem to be becoming shackled to the ludicrous SUV trend?

Have owned a SUV? I use to think the same but after owning one I can see why they are so popular. Better visibility in traffic, no need to bend down to get it, usually bigger space for people, for family duties they are fantastic.

As far as I can see the only real downside to owning an SUV is worse consumption, but with an EV because they are so cheap to run there is no real impact on running costs for choosing an SUV over saloon/hatchback.

Don't judge them till you have owned one, there is a reason why SUVs are selling well, been electric driven will make them even more popular!

[kambites]

ElectricSoup said:

Why do they all have to be SUVs, FFS? Surely a light body is the best solution for EVs, to optimise range? Why can't we just have ordinary hatchbacks from manufacturers other than Nissan, like the Leaf? Why does EV tech seem to be becoming shackled to the ludicrous SUV trend? These are supposed to be environmentally optimal vehicles, why are we hell bent on selling/buying these compromised fashion statements?

Bloody hell.

Yours,
A frustrated Leaf owner who would like a better choice of non-SUV EVs when it comes to replacing it.

At least VW are producing the ID3.

On the plus side, I love the fact that with the Peugeot, the only no-cost colour option appears to be bright orange.

Edited by kambites on Monday 6th January 12:17

[Dave Hedgehog]

ElectricSoup said:

Why do they all have to be SUVs.

Because x'overs / suvs are the biggest sellers and if your selling a niche one off product you want to hit the largest possible demographic globally

Having just gone x'over to saloon i prefer suvs

[ElectricSoup]

gangzoom said:

ElectricSoup said:

Why does EV tech seem to be becoming shackled to the ludicrous SUV trend?

Have owned a SUV? I use to think the same but after owning one I can see why they are so popular. Better visibility in traffic, no need to bend down to get it, usually bigger space for people, for family duties they are fantastic.

As far as I can see the only real downside to owning an SUV is worse consumption, but with an EV because they are so cheap to run there is no real impact on running costs for choosing an SUV over saloon/hatchback.

Don't judge them till you have owned one, there is a reason why SUVs are selling well, been electric driven will make them even more popular!

Most of my driving is urban, I have no need for a tractor. I live in Reading, not Kathmandu. Family use, load carrrying? Estate car better every time. Your better visibility is causing visibility problems for other drivers in proper cars. Actually I'd argue your visibility is impaired in many SUVs when it comes to seeing pedestrians and cyclists - I've driven many, including my step father's Range Rover and Nissan Navara. I won't be dragged in to this arms race.

[MOBB]

So 136 "bhp", highest spec, realistic 150 mile range £34k please. £28k if you want lowest spec.

Will this sell? I cant see the appeal of this EV at those prices.

[coetzeeh]

MOBB said:

So 136 "bhp", highest spec, realistic 150 mile range £34k please. £28k if you want lowest spec.

Will this sell? I cant see the appeal of this EV at those prices.

Do the prices include any goverment grants or incentives?

[gangzoom]

ElectricSoup said:

I won't be dragged in to this arms race.

You might not, but no way do are we going back to saloon/hatchback after getting use to SUVs.

When I followed my wife who was driving our SUV and I was in our saloon my eye line was directly inline with the number plate. In a potential accident situation I know which car I rather be in.

EVs actually remove the only real hindrance to SUVs, higher running costs which really don't effect electric SUVs, and even potential to roll in a crash is gone due to the battery pack giving it a lower centre of gravity.

Like it or not the drive for electrification will increase SUVs.

[MOBB]

coetzeeh said:

MOBB said:

So 136 "bhp", highest spec, realistic 150 mile range £34k please. £28k if you want lowest spec.

Will this sell? I cant see the appeal of this EV at those prices.

Do the prices include any goverment grants or incentives?

Yes those prices after grant deducted i think

[Willow1212]

ElectricSoup said:

Why do they all have to be SUVs, FFS? Surely a light body is the best solution for EVs, to optimise range? Why can't we just have ordinary hatchbacks from manufacturers other than Nissan, like the Leaf?

That would be the e208, this one is basically a jacked up version of that car. And the Corsa-E is basically the same as the e208 underneath I believe.

[MOBB]

fk me ive just realised this is the 2008 not the 3008

Ridiculous

[ElectricSoup]

gangzoom said:

ElectricSoup said:

I won't be dragged in to this arms race.

You might not, but no way do are we going back to saloon/hatchback after getting use to SUVs.

When I followed my wife who was driving our SUV and I was in our saloon my eye line was directly inline with the number plate. In a potential accident situation I know which car I rather be in.

EVs actually remove the only real hindrance to SUVs, higher running costs which really don't effect electric SUVs, and even potential to roll in a crash is gone due to the battery pack giving it a lower centre of gravity.

Like it or not the drive for electrification will increase SUVs.

You are a perfect example of a participant in the arms race. It is a race which could lead to our ultimate defeat as users of private vehicles.

The rest of this century will see a battle to keep any kind of private transport options available to you and I, the masses. SUVs are the most wasteful model of mass-produced personal transport options. If we keep pushing them, it is more grist to the mills of those who would see private cars legislated and taxed out of existence, even electric ones. If we want to keep our personal transport freedom, we ought to be choosing the least wasteful ways of doing that, not the most wasteful. They're coming for us, make no mistake. The ULEZs and city centre car bans being implemented and discussed are just the beginning.

[cerbfan]

ElectricSoup said:

gangzoom said:

ElectricSoup said:

Why does EV tech seem to be becoming shackled to the ludicrous SUV trend?

Have owned a SUV? I use to think the same but after owning one I can see why they are so popular. Better visibility in traffic, no need to bend down to get it, usually bigger space for people, for family duties they are fantastic.

As far as I can see the only real downside to owning an SUV is worse consumption, but with an EV because they are so cheap to run there is no real impact on running costs for choosing an SUV over saloon/hatchback.

Don't judge them till you have owned one, there is a reason why SUVs are selling well, been electric driven will make them even more popular!

Most of my driving is urban, I have no need for a tractor. I live in Reading, not Kathmandu. Family use, load carrrying? Estate car better every time. Your better visibility is causing visibility problems for other drivers in proper cars. Actually I'd argue your visibility is impaired in many SUVs when it comes to seeing pedestrians and cyclists - I've driven many, including my step father's Range Rover and Nissan Navara. I won't be dragged in to this arms race.

You are factually wrong here, estate cars are not better for family use or load carrying every time in fact almost always worse. Very few estate cars can seat 7 and none whilst giving a useful load space still. No estate cars not even the giant E-class can compete with the load space of a 5008 (we had), Kodiaq (we have now) or especially the Disco we used to have. I use the load space to maximum capacity several times a year on camping trips, tip runs and doing things where I'd normally need to hire a van. Also means when the inlaws are up we can just take 1 car instead of 2 we'd have to take if we only had a 5 seat estate car.

[jjwilde]

MOBB said:

So 136 "bhp", highest spec, realistic 150 mile range £34k please. £28k if you want lowest spec.

Will this sell? I cant see the appeal of this EV at those prices.

The old boys don't seem to want to allow the power and acceleration to happen on their EVs because it causes chaos with their fleet prices.

That car will absolutely be software restricted. The 0-60 is slower than some electric VANS! Ridiculous.

Derestrict this, get the real 5sec 0-60 and it would sell far better.

Edited by jjwilde on Tuesday 7th January 12:33

[ElectricSoup]

cerbfan said:

ElectricSoup said:

gangzoom said:

ElectricSoup said:

Why does EV tech seem to be becoming shackled to the ludicrous SUV trend?

Have owned a SUV? I use to think the same but after owning one I can see why they are so popular. Better visibility in traffic, no need to bend down to get it, usually bigger space for people, for family duties they are fantastic.

As far as I can see the only real downside to owning an SUV is worse consumption, but with an EV because they are so cheap to run there is no real impact on running costs for choosing an SUV over saloon/hatchback.

Don't judge them till you have owned one, there is a reason why SUVs are selling well, been electric driven will make them even more popular!

Most of my driving is urban, I have no need for a tractor. I live in Reading, not Kathmandu. Family use, load carrrying? Estate car better every time. Your better visibility is causing visibility problems for other drivers in proper cars. Actually I'd argue your visibility is impaired in many SUVs when it comes to seeing pedestrians and cyclists - I've driven many, including my step father's Range Rover and Nissan Navara. I won't be dragged in to this arms race.

You are factually wrong here, estate cars are not better for family use or load carrying every time in fact almost always worse. Very few estate cars can seat 7 and none whilst giving a useful load space still. No estate cars not even the giant E-class can compete with the load space of a 5008 (we had), Kodiaq (we have now) or especially the Disco we used to have. I use the load space to maximum capacity several times a year on camping trips, tip runs and doing things where I'd normally need to hire a van. Also means when the inlaws are up we can just take 1 car instead of 2 we'd have to take if we only had a 5 seat estate car.

Well I've got a family of 4 (like most people these days, smaller family units are the dominant and growing model), and a dog who can't jump up into the boot of an SUV, and I'd rather have length of load area than height (think IKEA flat pack furniture for example), which is why estate wins every time, perhaps I should have said "for me" but I'd speculate that if most people really thought about their use in the round they'd be better off with an estate than an agricultural vehicle. If I needed 7 seats (most people don't), I'd still not buy an SUV, I'd get an MPV. Although, even if I'd use the 7 seat twice a year like you, I'd still rather not bother with the extra expense, running costs, general wastefulness and lack of suitability of vehicle type in an urban environment. I cannot see the argument for SUVs in the majority of urban and suburban cases, only when they're proper off roaders being used off road.

I recently tried to talk my sister out of changing a V70 for an X3, and failed. Now she's had it for 6 months she's punting it around dealers as a trade in against a proper estate car. Big mistake, it just doesn't transport her family, labrador or any large items with the ease and comfort of the V70. Poor visibility and manoeuvrability means she has trouble parking it in towns. She's disabled and thought the easier entry to the driver seat would be a winner, but everything else about it has turned out to be be st.

Edited by ElectricSoup on Tuesday 7th January 13:29

[cerbfan]

ElectricSoup said:

cerbfan said:

ElectricSoup said:

gangzoom said:

ElectricSoup said:

Why does EV tech seem to be becoming shackled to the ludicrous SUV trend?

Have owned a SUV? I use to think the same but after owning one I can see why they are so popular. Better visibility in traffic, no need to bend down to get it, usually bigger space for people, for family duties they are fantastic.

As far as I can see the only real downside to owning an SUV is worse consumption, but with an EV because they are so cheap to run there is no real impact on running costs for choosing an SUV over saloon/hatchback.

Don't judge them till you have owned one, there is a reason why SUVs are selling well, been electric driven will make them even more popular!

Most of my driving is urban, I have no need for a tractor. I live in Reading, not Kathmandu. Family use, load carrrying? Estate car better every time. Your better visibility is causing visibility problems for other drivers in proper cars. Actually I'd argue your visibility is impaired in many SUVs when it comes to seeing pedestrians and cyclists - I've driven many, including my step father's Range Rover and Nissan Navara. I won't be dragged in to this arms race.

You are factually wrong here, estate cars are not better for family use or load carrying every time in fact almost always worse. Very few estate cars can seat 7 and none whilst giving a useful load space still. No estate cars not even the giant E-class can compete with the load space of a 5008 (we had), Kodiaq (we have now) or especially the Disco we used to have. I use the load space to maximum capacity several times a year on camping trips, tip runs and doing things where I'd normally need to hire a van. Also means when the inlaws are up we can just take 1 car instead of 2 we'd have to take if we only had a 5 seat estate car.

Well I've got a family of 4 (like most people these days, smaller family units are the dominant and growing model), and a dog who can't jump up into the boot of an SUV, and I'd rather have length of load area than height, which is why estate wins every time, perhaps I should have said "for me" but I'd speculate that if most people really thought about their use in the round they'd be better of with an estate than an agricultural vehicle. If I needed 7 seats (most people don't), I'd still not buy an SUV, I'd get an MPV. Although, even if I'd use the 7 seat twice a year like you, I'd still rather not bother with the extra expense, running costs, general wastefulness and lack of suitability of vehicle type in an urban environment. I cannot see the argument for SUVs in the majority of urban and suburban cases, only when they're proper off roaders being used off road.

I recently tried to talk my sister out of changing a V70 for an X3, and failed. Now she's had it for 6 months she's punting it around dealers as a trade in against a proper estate car. Big mistake, it just doesn't transport her family, labrador or any large items with the ease and comfort of the V70. Poor visibility and manoeuvrability means she has trouble parking it in towns. She's disabled and thought the easier entry to the driver seat would be a winner, but everything else about it has turned out to be be st.

X3's are tiny so not surprised she struggled. The 5008 we have just changed for the Kodiaq did an easy 42mpg so not much worse than a normal 2.0 diesel car and just drove like a car. I never said we only use the 7 seats twice a year, use it at least once a month as a family of 4 we often need to transport them along with friends places as well as when the inlaws are up. An MPV would also do it but not very practical going to my parents place down a 1/2 mile farm track. There are few real downsides with an SUV and lots of benefits.

[hepy]

ElectricSoup said:

You are a perfect example of a participant in the arms race. It is a race which could lead to our ultimate defeat as users of private vehicles.

The rest of this century will see a battle to keep any kind of private transport options available to you and I, the masses. SUVs are the most wasteful model of mass-produced personal transport options. If we keep pushing them, it is more grist to the mills of those who would see private cars legislated and taxed out of existence, even electric ones. If we want to keep our personal transport freedom, we ought to be choosing the least wasteful ways of doing that, not the most wasteful. They're coming for us, make no mistake. The ULEZs and city centre car bans being implemented and discussed are just the beginning.

Right, everybody out! Smash the Spinning Jenny! Burn the Rolling Rosalind! Destroy the Going-up-and-down-a-bit-and-then-moving-along Gertrude!