I-Pace v Model 3 Performance
Discussion
Struggling to decide between the two for an April delivery and thought I'd get PHers input as going round in circles a bit now 
As far as I see it at the moment, having read lots of the owners groups, Youtube videos etc etc:
Tesla M3P
Pros : Tech, updates, price, charging, performance
Negs : Fit and finish poor, looks (personal preference), no heated steering wheel!
Restricted saloon boot access, limited colours, customer/sales support not great
I-Pace
Pros : Hatchback, so easier for push bike transporting (important to me), looks (personal preference)
Fit and finish, colours/options
Negs : Slower than M3P, price, older tech, no over the air updates, public charging network, JLR reliability?
It's realistically mainly going to be local journeys, so range/charging less of a factor for me, which I realise is why many go for the Tesla.
At the moment I'm leaning towards an I-Pace, but haven't test driven either as yet.
Any helpful input very much appreciated
As far as I see it at the moment, having read lots of the owners groups, Youtube videos etc etc:
Tesla M3P
Pros : Tech, updates, price, charging, performance
Negs : Fit and finish poor, looks (personal preference), no heated steering wheel!
Restricted saloon boot access, limited colours, customer/sales support not great
I-Pace
Pros : Hatchback, so easier for push bike transporting (important to me), looks (personal preference)
Fit and finish, colours/options
Negs : Slower than M3P, price, older tech, no over the air updates, public charging network, JLR reliability?
It's realistically mainly going to be local journeys, so range/charging less of a factor for me, which I realise is why many go for the Tesla.
At the moment I'm leaning towards an I-Pace, but haven't test driven either as yet.
Any helpful input very much appreciated
There isn't anything wrong with the fit and finish on the Model 3. My only critism was a slightly misaligned bonnet and slightly crooked piece of chrome trim on the rear passenger side door (although both of these should have been picked up on the PDI, which definitely isn't Tesla's strong point at the moment).
Both were corrected having booked a service appointment.
I was initially quite disappointed with the paint. I chose the multicoat red, which was an expensive option, and was disappointed with the amount of orange peel in the paint finish.
My mind was eased a little bit having seen a very similar finish on a lot of modern 'premium' brands - especially when I was parked next to a friend's full sized Discovery at the weekend. It seems most modern cars have crap paint!
Both were corrected having booked a service appointment.
I was initially quite disappointed with the paint. I chose the multicoat red, which was an expensive option, and was disappointed with the amount of orange peel in the paint finish.
My mind was eased a little bit having seen a very similar finish on a lot of modern 'premium' brands - especially when I was parked next to a friend's full sized Discovery at the weekend. It seems most modern cars have crap paint!
Agree with pretty much everything you posted OP other than I donlt think the build/fit/finish of the i-Pace is really all that better than the Model 3. If you get a Friday afternoon car from either it won't be great essentially.
We ended up with the M3P after initially wanting the I-Pace and very glad we did. For a decent spec on the Jag you need at least the SE model which ups the price difference again and is still lacking quite a number of options.
The looks of the M3P do grow on you as well. Wasn't convinced by a white one with silver wheels that was my first real world experience of the car but very pleased with ours.
I will also add that whilst the I-Pace feels very quick the M3P is in a totally different league performance wise. Utterly brutal and well beyond anything I've ever driven + with the continuous updates only likely to get better.
We ended up with the M3P after initially wanting the I-Pace and very glad we did. For a decent spec on the Jag you need at least the SE model which ups the price difference again and is still lacking quite a number of options.
The looks of the M3P do grow on you as well. Wasn't convinced by a white one with silver wheels that was my first real world experience of the car but very pleased with ours.
I will also add that whilst the I-Pace feels very quick the M3P is in a totally different league performance wise. Utterly brutal and well beyond anything I've ever driven + with the continuous updates only likely to get better.
Edited by SWoll on Thursday 19th December 07:42
Edited by SWoll on Thursday 19th December 07:43
RobDickinson said:
Those new grey 20"s look nice!
I actually think they look a bit too big on the car.OP, I'm a former Jaguar owner and was very pleased with my dealer so really wanted to love the I Pace.
It's a great car, but as a value proposition it falls miles short of the Tesla.
The Tesla is a completely different experience, with the infotainment, the app, the performance.
While the ipace is a great car with a new drivetrain, the Tesla does feel like the future of automotive transport.
ZesPak said:
RobDickinson said:
Those new grey 20"s look nice!
I actually think they look a bit too big on the car.OP, I'm a former Jaguar owner and was very pleased with my dealer so really wanted to love the I Pace.
It's a great car, but as a value proposition it falls miles short of the Tesla.
The Tesla is a completely different experience, with the infotainment, the app, the performance.
While the ipace is a great car with a new drivetrain, the Tesla does feel like the future of automotive transport.
Superchargers are a big differentiator at the moment. Try planning a route using other networks and finding much above 50kW.
Much depends on your planned usage, the M3 is a more efficient design, the Ipace is a bit of a brick aerodynamically.
I just tried a 90 miles return journey on abetterrouteplanner and the M3 can do the journey without a recharge, an Ipace would need a top up.
Given the poor infrastructure for non Tesla's that would be an issue for me.
Much depends on your planned usage, the M3 is a more efficient design, the Ipace is a bit of a brick aerodynamically.
I just tried a 90 miles return journey on abetterrouteplanner and the M3 can do the journey without a recharge, an Ipace would need a top up.
Given the poor infrastructure for non Tesla's that would be an issue for me.
The H264 update (mine is in today for it) brings 8% (amongst a host of other improvements including changes to eco to make it more efficient) to the I-Pace and most importantly enables SOTA for all the modules. Without H264 only SOTA was possible with the infotainment. I have had a number of SOTA updates for the infotainment and despite my expectations the SOTA has worked well. There will be another update early in the new year (allegedly) that improves charging speeds and moves it to 107Kw (yes miles slower than a Tesla).
IMHO the choice between the Model 3 and i-Pace is easier if you do long distance. The charging speed of the Tesla is significantly faster than the I-Pace. If you don't do high mileage AND having the ability to charge at home (coupled with destination charging) turns the argument round in favour of the i-pace. It is a far nicer to be than the Tesla. Especially having a number of physical buttons and the screens split across the dash. So once you have the dash / screens set up how you want, hunting around in menus is limited.
The infotainment was the weak link, but JLR have updated the software (OTA) so now on 19C which is much much better, faster and less prone to issues.
TBH this is my first Jaguar and I am still amazed that it hasn't broken down / caught fire. I am also pleasantly surprised at my local dealer who has been really helpful with updates (even though mine is a lease).
With regards to charging networks. My (and others) experience has been pretty similar:
1. Avoid Ecotricity like the plague;
2. There are issues in Scotland with the charge place Scotland charging network - older CCS. I believe this may have been addressed in H264 (appears to have been an issue with CCS hand shaking)
3. Other networks: Polar; Alfa; Instavolt; FastNed have always worked first time for me as have other randoms out an about.
The alignment of the networks to a single contactless model appears to be starting, so the plethora of cards is becoming less of an issue. Apps such as ZapMap are great. Coupled together with abetterrouteplanner the longer journey is not as bigger pain as it could be. There are a significant amount of chargers being added by the likes of Polar and Instavolt at the moment. Ionity are finally starting to make inroads on the motorways. So it is only getting better.
IMHO the choice between the Model 3 and i-Pace is easier if you do long distance. The charging speed of the Tesla is significantly faster than the I-Pace. If you don't do high mileage AND having the ability to charge at home (coupled with destination charging) turns the argument round in favour of the i-pace. It is a far nicer to be than the Tesla. Especially having a number of physical buttons and the screens split across the dash. So once you have the dash / screens set up how you want, hunting around in menus is limited.
The infotainment was the weak link, but JLR have updated the software (OTA) so now on 19C which is much much better, faster and less prone to issues.
TBH this is my first Jaguar and I am still amazed that it hasn't broken down / caught fire. I am also pleasantly surprised at my local dealer who has been really helpful with updates (even though mine is a lease).
With regards to charging networks. My (and others) experience has been pretty similar:
1. Avoid Ecotricity like the plague;
2. There are issues in Scotland with the charge place Scotland charging network - older CCS. I believe this may have been addressed in H264 (appears to have been an issue with CCS hand shaking)
3. Other networks: Polar; Alfa; Instavolt; FastNed have always worked first time for me as have other randoms out an about.
The alignment of the networks to a single contactless model appears to be starting, so the plethora of cards is becoming less of an issue. Apps such as ZapMap are great. Coupled together with abetterrouteplanner the longer journey is not as bigger pain as it could be. There are a significant amount of chargers being added by the likes of Polar and Instavolt at the moment. Ionity are finally starting to make inroads on the motorways. So it is only getting better.
I drove both, I much prefer the design inside and out of the iPace and the space, the media system is so laggy its as good as unusable but its got car play which is a huge + over the tesla's old fashioned nav and media setup.
The three things that made me pick the M3P over the iPace:
1) The Tech - Tesla charging network, very frequent over the air updates and Gen 3 batteries, motors etc. over the Jags Gen 1
2) Drive - The Jag to me feels like a competent quick wafty barge, a typical old boys jag, it was never fun, never made me smile. The Tesla made me smile as soon as I drove it especially when pushing on.
3) Brake regen - This was the killer, I hated the way the Jag brake pedal has a fake zone where it regens, it was bloody awful to drive and near impossible for me to drive smoothly. Tesla have totally nailed one foot driving with progressive lift off regen and then a real brake pedal that starts the second you touch it. For me its far more natural way to drive quickly as thou in a car with heavy engine braking. So commuting i never need to use the brake pedal but its there for when i want to push on.
The three things that made me pick the M3P over the iPace:
1) The Tech - Tesla charging network, very frequent over the air updates and Gen 3 batteries, motors etc. over the Jags Gen 1
2) Drive - The Jag to me feels like a competent quick wafty barge, a typical old boys jag, it was never fun, never made me smile. The Tesla made me smile as soon as I drove it especially when pushing on.
3) Brake regen - This was the killer, I hated the way the Jag brake pedal has a fake zone where it regens, it was bloody awful to drive and near impossible for me to drive smoothly. Tesla have totally nailed one foot driving with progressive lift off regen and then a real brake pedal that starts the second you touch it. For me its far more natural way to drive quickly as thou in a car with heavy engine braking. So commuting i never need to use the brake pedal but its there for when i want to push on.
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 19th December 09:48
Jasper3.0 said:
The H264 update (mine is in today for it) brings 8% (amongst a host of other improvements including changes to eco to make it more efficient) to the I-Pace and most importantly enables SOTA for all the modules. Without H264 only SOTA was possible with the infotainment. I have had a number of SOTA updates for the infotainment and despite my expectations the SOTA has worked well. There will be another update early in the new year (allegedly) that improves charging speeds and moves it to 107Kw (yes miles slower than a Tesla).
IMHO the choice between the Model 3 and i-Pace is easier if you do long distance. The charging speed of the Tesla is significantly faster than the I-Pace. If you don't do high mileage AND having the ability to charge at home (coupled with destination charging) turns the argument round in favour of the i-pace. It is a far nicer to be than the Tesla. Especially having a number of physical buttons and the screens split across the dash. So once you have the dash / screens set up how you want, hunting around in menus is limited.
The infotainment was the weak link, but JLR have updated the software (OTA) so now on 19C which is much much better, faster and less prone to issues.
TBH this is my first Jaguar and I am still amazed that it hasn't broken down / caught fire. I am also pleasantly surprised at my local dealer who has been really helpful with updates (even though mine is a lease).
With regards to charging networks. My (and others) experience has been pretty similar:
1. Avoid Ecotricity like the plague;
2. There are issues in Scotland with the charge place Scotland charging network - older CCS. I believe this may have been addressed in H264 (appears to have been an issue with CCS hand shaking)
3. Other networks: Polar; Alfa; Instavolt; FastNed have always worked first time for me as have other randoms out an about.
The alignment of the networks to a single contactless model appears to be starting, so the plethora of cards is becoming less of an issue. Apps such as ZapMap are great. Coupled together with abetterrouteplanner the longer journey is not as bigger pain as it could be. There are a significant amount of chargers being added by the likes of Polar and Instavolt at the moment. Ionity are finally starting to make inroads on the motorways. So it is only getting better.
It’s an awful lot of money to pay if you don’t do high mileage and will mostly charge at home. IMHO the choice between the Model 3 and i-Pace is easier if you do long distance. The charging speed of the Tesla is significantly faster than the I-Pace. If you don't do high mileage AND having the ability to charge at home (coupled with destination charging) turns the argument round in favour of the i-pace. It is a far nicer to be than the Tesla. Especially having a number of physical buttons and the screens split across the dash. So once you have the dash / screens set up how you want, hunting around in menus is limited.
The infotainment was the weak link, but JLR have updated the software (OTA) so now on 19C which is much much better, faster and less prone to issues.
TBH this is my first Jaguar and I am still amazed that it hasn't broken down / caught fire. I am also pleasantly surprised at my local dealer who has been really helpful with updates (even though mine is a lease).
With regards to charging networks. My (and others) experience has been pretty similar:
1. Avoid Ecotricity like the plague;
2. There are issues in Scotland with the charge place Scotland charging network - older CCS. I believe this may have been addressed in H264 (appears to have been an issue with CCS hand shaking)
3. Other networks: Polar; Alfa; Instavolt; FastNed have always worked first time for me as have other randoms out an about.
The alignment of the networks to a single contactless model appears to be starting, so the plethora of cards is becoming less of an issue. Apps such as ZapMap are great. Coupled together with abetterrouteplanner the longer journey is not as bigger pain as it could be. There are a significant amount of chargers being added by the likes of Polar and Instavolt at the moment. Ionity are finally starting to make inroads on the motorways. So it is only getting better.
That’s why, as a Jaguar owner and having been offered a new i Pace for ‘mid-50s, we’ve ordered an e-Niro.
It will do low mileage, almost always be charged at home and has and will do everything we want.
And it’s at least £20k cheaper than the i Pace, even without the ‘luxury car tax’.
I’m not surprised that you’re happy with the OTA updates. My XF has had that for about a year now; the whole thing works well.
SWoll said:
Gregmitchell said:
Falls miles short.... please expand..... on what basis?
My take was that it was well behind on technology, performance, range and standard kit in S form despite costing 20% more to buy. 
Once I had it to spec, it was well over 95k EUR, so past even Model S 100D prices and even then it was still lesser spec.
Then there is range, charging speed and performance. The I Pace is a fast car. The 100D is mind blowing, and still slower than a M3P.
Not to mention the Model S is a LOT bigger inside.
As for the Model 3, I think you need a very good deal on the Jag to even put them in the same category.
Over here, a fully equipped M3P is about 70k EUR while the Jag is 80k before options.
In short: I loved the i pace, wanted one, couldn't justify it against a 100D so got the Tesla.
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