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https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-bmw-i4-off...
Specs look good (perhaps 4 years late..)
80kWh battery,390kw, 0-60 in ~4sec
Really hope they dont use the concept front though.
Going to depend on the cost of options on the M50 but at £62k it stacks up pretty well against the Model 3 Performance as certainly expect a higher quality vehicle and performance not far off.
As with all shared platform EV's it's a heavy beast though at 2300KG, and compromised by its underpinnings from a practicality standpoint.
As with all shared platform EV's it's a heavy beast though at 2300KG, and compromised by its underpinnings from a practicality standpoint.
Have to say that I am liking what I see with the i4. While the M50 looks to have the performance, I suspect that the other one might be the sweet spot - hard to say for sure, but I am thinking a quality interior with a decent spread of equipment and a good ride / handling combo; it might just be the one to go for.
Expensive though, which is disappointing. Mentioned it before, but when our i3 was in for a service I was talking the advisor. This was back in early Aug I think, but BMW NA was gearing up already with training programs and service tech certification already. Officially not released yet, but the word from the largest BMW dealer in my area is that they are expecting solid sales in a short period of time. Feedback from the service tech's was that they are looking forward to a simpler vehicle to run. It absolutely will have issues, but it looks like BMW has learned from the i3 and i8 as well as their PHEV's.
And yes, I am a serial BMW buyer, so take my comments with the relevant bias that they carry.....
Expensive though, which is disappointing. Mentioned it before, but when our i3 was in for a service I was talking the advisor. This was back in early Aug I think, but BMW NA was gearing up already with training programs and service tech certification already. Officially not released yet, but the word from the largest BMW dealer in my area is that they are expecting solid sales in a short period of time. Feedback from the service tech's was that they are looking forward to a simpler vehicle to run. It absolutely will have issues, but it looks like BMW has learned from the i3 and i8 as well as their PHEV's.
And yes, I am a serial BMW buyer, so take my comments with the relevant bias that they carry.....
SWoll said:
Is it really though in the grand scheme of things?
Kia EV6 at £53k, Model 3 at £60k, Polestar 2 at £58k. Looks reasonable to me at £51-62k.
Please do correct me, but it looks like the model 3 can be had for around 44? E.g https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202108216...Kia EV6 at £53k, Model 3 at £60k, Polestar 2 at £58k. Looks reasonable to me at £51-62k.
All depends on the monthlies rather than the RRP.
I think it will be quite the game changer - not in terms of ground breaking design but in terms of bringing BMW quality, driving dynamics, a safe(er) user interface rather than the dangerous touch screens all in a non-SUV with a hatchback. Had a previous gen 4 series GC and they are plenty spacious for a family of 4.
Kia EV6 looks interesting but being a racer and a petrol head I’m a badge snob and I can’t quite bring myself to getting one just yet.
Would not be surprised to see the cheaper I4s being the middle of the road company car of choice like the 3 series/A4/C Class once were.
I think it will be quite the game changer - not in terms of ground breaking design but in terms of bringing BMW quality, driving dynamics, a safe(er) user interface rather than the dangerous touch screens all in a non-SUV with a hatchback. Had a previous gen 4 series GC and they are plenty spacious for a family of 4.
Kia EV6 looks interesting but being a racer and a petrol head I’m a badge snob and I can’t quite bring myself to getting one just yet.
Would not be surprised to see the cheaper I4s being the middle of the road company car of choice like the 3 series/A4/C Class once were.
Edited by jonty88 on Monday 13th September 20:38
PistonRings said:
SWoll said:
Is it really though in the grand scheme of things?
Kia EV6 at £53k, Model 3 at £60k, Polestar 2 at £58k. Looks reasonable to me at £51-62k.
Please do correct me, but it looks like the model 3 can be had for around 44? E.g https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202108216...Kia EV6 at £53k, Model 3 at £60k, Polestar 2 at £58k. Looks reasonable to me at £51-62k.
I was comparing the top end other models with the top end i4, apologies for confusing by adding the £51k as can see it doesn't help.
EV6 GT Line S AWD - 77kW Battery, 321 bhp - £52k
Model 3 performance - 75kW battery, 490 bhp - £60k
I4 M50 - 81kW battery, 544 bhp, £63k
Hardly charging a huge premium for what's on offer in my view?
jonty88 said:
All depends on the monthlies rather than the RRP.
Pretty impressive assuming accurate?Edited by jonty88 on Monday 13th September 20:38
Edited by SWoll on Monday 13th September 22:05
SWoll said:
Pretty impressive assuming accurate?
Errr, why the Tesla so expensive and the BMW cheaper by comparison? Tesla has numbers to work off from a running cost and resale value point of view, so should be a little more trustworthy. But with unknown details on the BMW seems strange... and its more expensive to buy in the first place. Odd. Edited by SWoll on Monday 13th September 22:05
I have never understood leasing pricing.....
off_again said:
SWoll said:
Pretty impressive assuming accurate?
Errr, why the Tesla so expensive and the BMW cheaper by comparison? Tesla has numbers to work off from a running cost and resale value point of view, so should be a little more trustworthy. But with unknown details on the BMW seems strange... and its more expensive to buy in the first place. Odd. Edited by SWoll on Monday 13th September 22:05
I have never understood leasing pricing.....
Its the Kia that looks the most out of place for me. That's 60% over 3 years which is piss poor.
SWoll said:
All about residual values and manufacturer support. Kia/Tesla appear to offer little and confidence in long term values not so good.
Its the Kia that looks the most out of place for me. That's 60% over 3 years which is piss poor.
Bbbbbbut..... Tesla has a proven track record of residuals (well it might be short, but its something compared to the other two). Its been discussed before, but EV's tend to keep their values well within the warranty period. Get close to that and the value drops, but all three manufacturers offer good warranties across multiple years. And, as you say, Kia seems odd at this point - given that they offer some of the best warranties in the business.... Its the Kia that looks the most out of place for me. That's 60% over 3 years which is piss poor.
Yeah, never understood leasing pricing.... weird.
Coming up next - discussion on airline ticket prices and the logic that is used to justify it...
They're all nuts as far as i am concerned, and driven by business leases where the high cost is offset by the low BIK.
Our ON.TO Model 3 Performance is going back next month after almost 2 years. Signed up in August 2019 and took deliver that December at £799 per month for 12k miles per year, fully maintained, insured, public charging paid for and 1 month commitment. The reason for the return being that they want to replace it with a new LR and raise the price to £1299 a month. Those with SR+ are being asked to jump from £599 to £1099 a month..
Now when you look at the current lease costs over a 2 year/24k deal on EV's costing around £50k it doesn't actually look that bad a deal, which is scary.
50%-60% over 2 years.
Planning on swapping to an e-Tron 55 Black edition at £1299 per month for a while as can see more value in it for a car that lists at £82k and would cost nearly £1500 a month just for the lease . After the madness of the past 18 months I'm not keen on committing long term so the ability to get out of the car within a month with no penalty is a considerable plus point in my mind.
Our ON.TO Model 3 Performance is going back next month after almost 2 years. Signed up in August 2019 and took deliver that December at £799 per month for 12k miles per year, fully maintained, insured, public charging paid for and 1 month commitment. The reason for the return being that they want to replace it with a new LR and raise the price to £1299 a month. Those with SR+ are being asked to jump from £599 to £1099 a month..
Now when you look at the current lease costs over a 2 year/24k deal on EV's costing around £50k it doesn't actually look that bad a deal, which is scary.
50%-60% over 2 years.
Planning on swapping to an e-Tron 55 Black edition at £1299 per month for a while as can see more value in it for a car that lists at £82k and would cost nearly £1500 a month just for the lease . After the madness of the past 18 months I'm not keen on committing long term so the ability to get out of the car within a month with no penalty is a considerable plus point in my mind.
Hi All,
I have a test drive arranged for the new i4 40 tomorrow and have been given a projected delivery date of April 2023.
Was wondering if anyone had experience of these in the UK yet, BMW brand fan, first taste of EV powertrain although i did test drive the latest 330e last year and was very impressed.
Are there any things people have spec'd they see as essential?
Would also be interested to hear what peoples thoughts was on the sensatec seats? I've not seen any demonstrator cars with these.
Anyone living with one currently or have an order experience they can share?
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