EV's pollute more than diesel cars....
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ooh a German study has found EVs are a scam against their super environmentally friendly ice cap repairing diesel engines
LMFAO
does the German power grid consist of 100% 1950s coal powered generators?
ahh and then they mention methane lol
LMFAO
does the German power grid consist of 100% 1950s coal powered generators?
ahh and then they mention methane lol
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Friday 25th October 14:23
The study, for instance, estimates that driving a Tesla Model 3 in Germany is responsible for 156 to 181 grams of CO2 per kilometer. That is more than a diesel-powered Mercedes C220d which produces just 141 grams per kilometer.
Because refined diesel just magically appears in the fuel tank of the Mercedes?
It doesn't require ships to transport oil around the world, it doesn't require massive amounts of energy to run the refineries, it doesn't require diesel-powered trucks to get to from the refineries to the fuel stations?
Nonsense as ever to support the laggard parts of the German auto industry.
Because refined diesel just magically appears in the fuel tank of the Mercedes?
It doesn't require ships to transport oil around the world, it doesn't require massive amounts of energy to run the refineries, it doesn't require diesel-powered trucks to get to from the refineries to the fuel stations?
Nonsense as ever to support the laggard parts of the German auto industry.
It is common knowledge the best thing one person can do for the environment (petrol or diesel) is to keep whatever car you have for a long period of time, this offsets any carbon footprint produced.
But as we live in a "completely throw away society" and we must have the newest and best cars on our drive (I don't by the way, I must be boring, or look poor)
but I quite like that, anyway the cost on the environment is HUGE in the production of any new cars, not only electric - we are still raping the earth.
Driving an electric car may be great for local pollution, but it isn't the answer I am afraid to the global issue, It just pumps it elsewhere when being made, and I don't know what the answer is, so do not ask me - but not replacing your car for a new one is a start i think.
But as we live in a "completely throw away society" and we must have the newest and best cars on our drive (I don't by the way, I must be boring, or look poor)
but I quite like that, anyway the cost on the environment is HUGE in the production of any new cars, not only electric - we are still raping the earth. Driving an electric car may be great for local pollution, but it isn't the answer I am afraid to the global issue, It just pumps it elsewhere when being made, and I don't know what the answer is, so do not ask me - but not replacing your car for a new one is a start i think.
Also Germany's power generation is still mostly coal. But they're all being phased out over the next 19 years which will improve the EV CO2 figure drastically.
DailyHack said:
It is common knowledge the best thing one person can do for the environment (petrol or diesel) is to keep whatever car you have for a long period of time, this offsets any carbon footprint produced.
Actually the best thing would be to reduce or eliminate the need for a car entirely. Converting an existing car to EV would be the second best going forwards.In fact ignoring the problem and carrying on with an existing ICE car would be one of the worst things to do long term.
DailyHack said:
It is common knowledge the best thing one person can do for the environment (petrol or diesel) is to keep whatever car you have for a long period of time, this offsets any carbon footprint produced.
lots of articles refuting thatThis guy seams pretty smart (compared to me anyway) and pretty unbiased owning an EV and a petrol sports car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RhtiPefVzM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rywz73vwKw
DailyHack said:
It is common knowledge the best thing one person can do for the environment (petrol or diesel) is to keep whatever car you have for a long period of time, this offsets any carbon footprint produced.
But as we live in a "completely throw away society" and we must have the newest and best cars on our drive (I don't by the way, I must be boring, or look poor) but I quite like that, anyway the cost on the environment is HUGE in the production of any new cars, not only electric - we are still raping the earth.
Driving an electric car may be great for local pollution, but it isn't the answer I am afraid to the global issue, It just pumps it elsewhere when being made, and I don't know what the answer is, so do not ask me - but not replacing your car for a new one is a start i think.
Taking this argument to its logical end, our entire global economy is based on the assumption that we have to continually increase consumption of everything. Any rational human (so I am excluding anyone who voted for Trump & Brexit) realise that this is by definition, unsustainable. Ultimately, like universal healthcare, EVs will just help us all live even longer, so that we can continue to consume for even longer...But as we live in a "completely throw away society" and we must have the newest and best cars on our drive (I don't by the way, I must be boring, or look poor)
but I quite like that, anyway the cost on the environment is HUGE in the production of any new cars, not only electric - we are still raping the earth. Driving an electric car may be great for local pollution, but it isn't the answer I am afraid to the global issue, It just pumps it elsewhere when being made, and I don't know what the answer is, so do not ask me - but not replacing your car for a new one is a start i think.
DailyHack said:
It is common knowledge the best thing one person can do for the environment (petrol or diesel) is to keep whatever car you have for a long period of time, this offsets any carbon footprint produced.
Best thing one person can do for the environment would be to kill themselves...little over the top though.DailyHack said:
Driving an electric car may be great for local pollution, but it isn't the answer I am afraid to the global issue, It just pumps it elsewhere when being made
Pushing the problem elsewhere - This is the common perception but not entirely true and not part of Tesla’s bigger picture. The Tesla wall battery with solar cells is helping reduce the amount of electricity required from the grid. As this technology evolves, more people will be weaning themselves off the grid.A challenge in climates such as ours, but in sunny countries, becoming possible.
Christ, not this s
t again? Every reputable study shows that EVs will at least halve emissions over an equivalent combustion engine vehicle over it's life, even using a crappy energy mix like the one found in Germany.
That "study" has been comprehensively debunked, and was carried out by an economic foundation based in Munich. They used deliberately old and misleading figures. The professor involved has form for similar stuff in the past.
t again? Every reputable study shows that EVs will at least halve emissions over an equivalent combustion engine vehicle over it's life, even using a crappy energy mix like the one found in Germany.That "study" has been comprehensively debunked, and was carried out by an economic foundation based in Munich. They used deliberately old and misleading figures. The professor involved has form for similar stuff in the past.
Edited by Witchfinder on Saturday 26th October 08:43
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