One way to get more charging points
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Can't help feeling there is a flaw somewhere......
https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-...
https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-...
Dr Jekyll said:
Can't help feeling there is a flaw somewhere......
https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-...
It’s the future! https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-...
You could be really clever and build the generator into the car. Maybe call it a Range extender or REX
And if you’re going to go to the trouble of fitting an engine, why not get it to drive the wheels and call it a hybrid.
I’m sorry but while it’s an ok idea for very short term situations ie a specific event or while work is being done and the location is off grid, it’s otherwise stupid.
And if you’re going to go to the trouble of fitting an engine, why not get it to drive the wheels and call it a hybrid.
I’m sorry but while it’s an ok idea for very short term situations ie a specific event or while work is being done and the location is off grid, it’s otherwise stupid.
Heres Johnny said:
You could be really clever and build the generator into the car. Maybe call it a Range extender or REX
And if you’re going to go to the trouble of fitting an engine, why not get it to drive the wheels and call it a hybrid.
I’m sorry but while it’s an ok idea for very short term situations ie a specific event or while work is being done and the location is off grid, it’s otherwise stupid.
A good REX is far more efficient than a direct drive ICE / hybrid And if you’re going to go to the trouble of fitting an engine, why not get it to drive the wheels and call it a hybrid.
I’m sorry but while it’s an ok idea for very short term situations ie a specific event or while work is being done and the location is off grid, it’s otherwise stupid.
And you do realise this is for Australia? And how bloody big that country is, the nearest hospital to Uluru is 450km a way. Surprisingly they don’t have the charging infrastructure we have in the UK in the outback.
They have a tonne of sun for efficient solar thou
Dave Hedgehog said:
A good REX is far more efficient than a direct drive ICE / hybrid
And you do realise this is for Australia? And how bloody big that country is, the nearest hospital to Uluru is 450km a way. Surprisingly they don’t have the charging infrastructure we have in the UK in the outback.
They have a tonne of sun for efficient solar thou
So it’s ok to have diesel generators to make electricity to charge cars because it’s a big country? Counter productive. Solar - that would make a lot more sense, large solar arrays coupled with battery storage. And you do realise this is for Australia? And how bloody big that country is, the nearest hospital to Uluru is 450km a way. Surprisingly they don’t have the charging infrastructure we have in the UK in the outback.
They have a tonne of sun for efficient solar thou
Heres Johnny said:
So it’s ok to have diesel generators to make electricity to charge cars because it’s a big country? Counter productive. Solar - that would make a lot more sense, large solar arrays coupled with battery storage.
In an ideal world there would be no need, but political will and money rarely prioritise infrastructure like this, look how bad and slow the UK government have been and still are. Doubly so with the oddball Australian political system.Superchargers need to be spaced less than 200 miles apart, the size of Australia is vast as already stated. The idea you’d use these to bridge gaps across the country is simply daft. Tesla already have fairly comprehensive coverage in the south east. Maybe as an isolated plug a gap fine, but let’s not imagine this is a substitute for doing it properly.
Tesla rolled out a supercharger road as part of the power grid support thing they built a year or so back, so if they want to they can.
EVs don’t work everywhere whether you like it or not.
Tesla rolled out a supercharger road as part of the power grid support thing they built a year or so back, so if they want to they can.
EVs don’t work everywhere whether you like it or not.
Heres Johnny said:
You could be really clever and build the generator into the car. Maybe call it a Range extender or REX
And if you’re going to go to the trouble of fitting an engine, why not get it to drive the wheels and call it a hybrid.
I’m sorry but while it’s an ok idea for very short term situations ie a specific event or while work is being done and the location is off grid, it’s otherwise stupid.
er, you, like many are missing the point!And if you’re going to go to the trouble of fitting an engine, why not get it to drive the wheels and call it a hybrid.
I’m sorry but while it’s an ok idea for very short term situations ie a specific event or while work is being done and the location is off grid, it’s otherwise stupid.
By building a few, conventionally energy sourced (ie diesel or petrol) chargers, and placing those chargers in sensible locations, you achieve the following:
1) Enable people to buy an EV who otherwise couldn't, and hence, on average, reduce energy consumption per mile driven by those people. Most people don't spend their lives driving 2,000 miles across a desert, but if they need to do that occacionally, this allows them to do that with an EV, meaning for the majority of their driving they can leverage the ultra high efficiency of that technology
2) Minimises the additional mass and cost / comlpexity required PER VEHICLE compared to a hybrid. With hybrid vehicles, each individual vehicle build needs an engine and all the support infrastructure. That is very inn-efficient use of resource, especially when it won't actually get used very often.
3) Enables a transparent upgrade to low carbon charging. The owner and buyer of an EV doesn't get to pick up the cost for this technology, and when it is eventually replaced by say solar+ battery storage at remote charging locations, that change is entirely transparent to the vehicle owner
4) Provides efficiencies that are at the worst, comparable, and at best, significantly better than with conventional ICE vehicles. ie the Tesla X 100D, charging from that generator returned an equivalent of 7l/100km. That is still far better than a comparable high performance SUV (Audi Q7, Cayenne turbo etc )
5) provides a charging capability that can be installed and removed with minimal overhead and disruption (dropped off a truck with a HIAB, the generator and charger take just a few minutes to "instal" and can be quickly refuelled from conventional liquid fuel transport systems quickly and easily, based on actual demand
So, it's actually far from "stupid" when you actually sit down and think about it. Yes, it will probably eventually get replaced by lower carbon solutions, but today, it's a really GOOD idea to enable the mass adoption of EVs, which overall have the lowets impact on our environment whilst still providing the flexibility and affordability we currently demand from our private cars
Could everyone pointing out how stupid this is please read the linked article? Particularly “He stresses that the point is not to offer a diesel-powered EV charger as the final solution, but as a reliable stop gap until installation of batteries and renewable-powered EV chargers become financially viable.”
It’s not anything other than temporary
It’s not anything other than temporary
Max_Torque said:
er, you, like many are missing the point!
By building a few, conventionally energy sourced (ie diesel or petrol) chargers, and placing those chargers in sensible locations, you achieve the following:
1) Enable people to buy an EV who otherwise couldn't, and hence, on average, reduce energy consumption per mile driven by those people. Most people don't spend their lives driving 2,000 miles across a desert, but if they need to do that occacionally, this allows them to do that with an EV, meaning for the majority of their driving they can leverage the ultra high efficiency of that technology
2) Minimises the additional mass and cost / comlpexity required PER VEHICLE compared to a hybrid. With hybrid vehicles, each individual vehicle build needs an engine and all the support infrastructure. That is very inn-efficient use of resource, especially when it won't actually get used very often.
3) Enables a transparent upgrade to low carbon charging. The owner and buyer of an EV doesn't get to pick up the cost for this technology, and when it is eventually replaced by say solar+ battery storage at remote charging locations, that change is entirely transparent to the vehicle owner
4) Provides efficiencies that are at the worst, comparable, and at best, significantly better than with conventional ICE vehicles. ie the Tesla X 100D, charging from that generator returned an equivalent of 7l/100km. That is still far better than a comparable high performance SUV (Audi Q7, Cayenne turbo etc )
5) provides a charging capability that can be installed and removed with minimal overhead and disruption (dropped off a truck with a HIAB, the generator and charger take just a few minutes to "instal" and can be quickly refuelled from conventional liquid fuel transport systems quickly and easily, based on actual demand
So, it's actually far from "stupid" when you actually sit down and think about it. Yes, it will probably eventually get replaced by lower carbon solutions, but today, it's a really GOOD idea to enable the mass adoption of EVs, which overall have the lowets impact on our environment whilst still providing the flexibility and affordability we currently demand from our private cars
Not really. If you think any right minded soul would embark on a long distance cross Australia sized country trip in an EV relying on a string of diesel powered generators being available, fuelled and working, you must be mad. By building a few, conventionally energy sourced (ie diesel or petrol) chargers, and placing those chargers in sensible locations, you achieve the following:
1) Enable people to buy an EV who otherwise couldn't, and hence, on average, reduce energy consumption per mile driven by those people. Most people don't spend their lives driving 2,000 miles across a desert, but if they need to do that occacionally, this allows them to do that with an EV, meaning for the majority of their driving they can leverage the ultra high efficiency of that technology
2) Minimises the additional mass and cost / comlpexity required PER VEHICLE compared to a hybrid. With hybrid vehicles, each individual vehicle build needs an engine and all the support infrastructure. That is very inn-efficient use of resource, especially when it won't actually get used very often.
3) Enables a transparent upgrade to low carbon charging. The owner and buyer of an EV doesn't get to pick up the cost for this technology, and when it is eventually replaced by say solar+ battery storage at remote charging locations, that change is entirely transparent to the vehicle owner
4) Provides efficiencies that are at the worst, comparable, and at best, significantly better than with conventional ICE vehicles. ie the Tesla X 100D, charging from that generator returned an equivalent of 7l/100km. That is still far better than a comparable high performance SUV (Audi Q7, Cayenne turbo etc )
5) provides a charging capability that can be installed and removed with minimal overhead and disruption (dropped off a truck with a HIAB, the generator and charger take just a few minutes to "instal" and can be quickly refuelled from conventional liquid fuel transport systems quickly and easily, based on actual demand
So, it's actually far from "stupid" when you actually sit down and think about it. Yes, it will probably eventually get replaced by lower carbon solutions, but today, it's a really GOOD idea to enable the mass adoption of EVs, which overall have the lowets impact on our environment whilst still providing the flexibility and affordability we currently demand from our private cars
I’ve said to perform a stop gap or to plug a short term issue they might have a place, but it’s also solving a problem it shouldn’t need to solve given Tesla managed to build proper EVs across country in pretty short timescales.
V10 SPM said:
What is the minimum distance between each charging point in an effective charging network then?
The worst range car Tesla do might do 200 miles safely in good weather, in bad it’s 150. Other males are much worse so if you’re doing it for a i3 94 BEV you’d need them every 100 miles. But if you add the option to have some safety net you’d put them every 50-60 miles Heres Johnny said:
HalcyonRichard said:
I think Tesla did this in the UK on some sites until the power connections were sorted out.
No they didn’t https://www.speakev.com/threads/first-superchargin...
Drive to Northampton, and Tesla somewhat redeem themselves. No queue and charging at a decent rate. Works under way for 3 more stalls, but a hulking great diesel gen set powering everything.
This was not the thread I saw some time ago. But plenty of Tesla Superchargers using generators as a stop gap if you google it.
The interesting thing in the article and comments is that solar plus battery may well not be a workable solution, as it would sit there with full batteries for days, then get emptied by a handful of cars in quick succession.
I often find people concentrate on the UK when talking about mass adoption of BEV - remember, we are a very small and very densely populated country which leans towards BEV use.
Go outside of the UK, even to France and Germany, let alone Australia, the USA and Canada - and the argument is less compelling.
I often find people concentrate on the UK when talking about mass adoption of BEV - remember, we are a very small and very densely populated country which leans towards BEV use.
Go outside of the UK, even to France and Germany, let alone Australia, the USA and Canada - and the argument is less compelling.
A bit like the stop-gap solution deployed to charge the electric busses here in Harrogate: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-y...
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