E.V.s compared by real range

[SpikeBmth]

Source.... https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&amp...


Electric car real world range

18. Smart Forfour EQ
Real Range: 57 miles
Miles per kWh: 2.9
Full charge cost: £2.42*
Cost per mile: £0.042

17. Smart Fortwo EQ Cabrio
Real Range: 59 miles
Miles per kWh: 2.9
Full charge cost: £2.43
Cost per mile: £0.042

16. Volkswagen e-Up
Real Range: 66 miles
Miles per kWh: 3.5
Full charge cost: £2.28
Cost per mile: £0.035

=14. Hyundai Ioniq Electric
Real Range: 117 miles
Miles per kWh: 3.9
Full charge cost: £3.57
Cost per mile: £0.030

Kia eNiro (Image: PH)

=14. Volkswagen e-Golf
Real Range: 117 miles
Miles per kWh: 3.3
Full charge cost: £4.27
Cost per mile: £0.036

13. BMW i3 94Ah
Real Range: 121 miles
Miles per kWh: 3.1
Full charge cost: £4.67
Cost per mile: £0.038

12. Nissan Leaf
Real Range: 128 miles
Miles per kWh: 2.8
Full charge cost: £5.40
Cost per mile: £0.042

11. Renault Zoe Q90
Real Range: 132 miles
Miles per kWh: 2.7
Full charge cost: £5.80
Cost per mile: £0.044

Jaguar I Pace (Image: JAGUAR)

10. Renault Zoe R110
Real Range: 146 miles
Miles per kWh: 2.9
Full charge cost: £6.03
Cost per mile: £0.041

9. Hyundai Kona Electric 39kWh
Real Range: 158 miles
Miles per kWh: 3.6
Full charge cost: £5.27
Cost per mile: £0.033

8. BMW i3 120Ah
Real Range: 165 miles
Miles per kWh: 3.3
Full charge cost: £6.94
Cost per mile: £0.042

7. Audi E-tron
Real Range: 196 miles
Miles per kWh: 2.0
Full charge cost: £13.43
Cost per mile: £0.069

6. Tesla Model S 75D
Real Range: 204 miles
Miles per kWh: 2.4
Full charge cost: £10.09
Cost per mile: £0.049

Hyundai Kona Electric (Image: HYUNDAI)

5. Tesla Model X 100D
Real Range: 233 miles
Miles per kWh: 2.0
Full charge cost: £13.67
Cost per mile: £0.059

4. Tesla Model 3 Performance
Real Range: 239 miles
Miles per kWh:  2.8
Full charge cost:  £12.04
Cost per mile:  £0.050

=2 Kia e-Niro 64kWh
Real Range: 253 miles
Miles per kWh: 3.5
Full charge cost: £8.74
Cost per mile:£0.035

=2. Jaguar I-Pace
Real Range:253 miles
Miles per kWh: 2.6
Full charge cost: £11.87
Cost per mile: £0.047

1. Hyundai Kona Electric 64kWh
Real Range: 259 miles
Miles per kWh: 3.6
Full charge cost: £8.65
Cost per mile: £0.033

[granada203028]

Clearly the Kona and Niro the real winners £35K odd with 7 year warrantee. I would order one tomorrow if I could get one in a couple of months. Would not care about gadgets, colour etc as long as I don't have to suffer to big a wheels.

Edited by granada203028 on Sunday 7th July 16:07

[SOL111]

Interesting, but real world? Who's real world

I consistently get at least 4.5mi/kWh from my i3s driving in sport mode.

[granada203028]

Doesn't matter who's world as long as it was the same world for each car. This data has been published before.

I Pace was criticised on here for being inefficient but doesn't look too bad against it's comparable competition, the eTron perhaps more deserved of criticism.

I saw an I pace for the first time coming past on the Motorway in a red/orange colour and looked big to me.

[kambites]

granada203028 said:

Doesn't matter who's world as long as it was the same world for each car. This data has been published before.

If you believe that, you might as well go by the official WLTP figures because that test is the same for every car.

[granada203028]

Indeed I would. The original link was convenient and concise so worth the graph. All the tests and data put the Kona and Niro out front.

Maybe other manufacturers should build them under licence.

[HTP99]

granada203028 said:

Indeed I would. The original link was convenient and concise so worth the graph. All the tests and data put the Kona and Niro out front.

Maybe other manufacturers should build them under licence.

What battery capacity are they?

[kambites]

HTP99 said:

What battery capacity are they?

62KWh, as it says on the graph.

[Evanivitch]

Hyundai Ioniq proving that you can make a Hybrid/PHEV/BEV platform that is an efficient EV. Just a shame they haven't got a 60kWh battery it it.

[PBCD]

granada203028 said:

Indeed I would. The original link was convenient and concise so worth the graph. All the tests and data put the Kona and Niro out front.

Maybe other manufacturers should build them under licence.

Out of curiosity, where would the Kia Soul fall in the rankings?

(presumably it's missing from the list because a new model is due out shortly?)

[HTP99]

granada203028 said:

Maybe other manufacturers should build them under licence.

Maybe it's because the Kona is relatively new so has more up to date tech; put that battery in a ZOE (which originally harks back to 2013) and you'd get close to the figures that the Kona give, particularly as I regularly drive a ZOE and can easily better the given figures without really trying and I know of people who can get just over 200 miles out of a full charge with a 44kw 110 ZOE.

[RobDickinson]

Totally unconvinced by their test methods, esp measuring energy in to the battery as energy used by the car this can be seriously affected by the efficiency of the charge system.

Their 'real world test' isnt very real world

[gangzoom]

SpikeBmth said:

Source.... https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&amp...

=2. Jaguar I-Pace
Real Range:253 miles
Miles per kWh: 2.6
Full charge cost: £11.87
Cost per mile: £0.047

For an iPace to hit 253 miles at 2.6 mile per kWh it needs to have 97.3 kWh usable battery, which is doesn't have.

If this is the standard of modern day journalism than the nutter across the pound may have it right about 'Fake news'.

Or else basic arithmetic is no longer been taught at school.

....on closer examination it appears 'What car' has done some kind of pseudoscience where they extrapolate data from multiple runs and charging % change hence the numbers that don't add up.

May be they should leave standardized testing to people who do it for a living....

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/explaining-elect...

Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 7th July 21:48

[anonymous-user]

Would be interesting to see a graph of range per £. Kona and Niro are going to be unbeatable.

[JD]

Testing is conducted on the firm’s private test track around a 19.4-mile track which has a mi of stop-start traffic, rural and motorways which is driven twice for cars with a 60kWh battery and three times for 100kWh battery packs.

After the test is done the car is plugged back in and the amount of energy it recites to recharge is noted down

Erm, what?

[RobDickinson]

kuro68k said:

Would be interesting to see a graph of range per £. Kona and Niro are going to be unbeatable.

They are pretty good if you can actually find one (and in the right market)

[RacerMike]

RobDickinson said:

kuro68k said:

Would be interesting to see a graph of range per £. Kona and Niro are going to be unbeatable.

They are pretty good if you can actually find one (and in the right market)

And don't mind that they're fairly inert to drive. If efficiency is all you want, fine, but to actually drive, I believe they're fairly generic.

[kambites]

RacerMike said:

And don't mind that they're fairly inert to drive. If efficiency is all you want, fine, but to actually drive, I believe they're fairly generic.

They're hardly aimed at keen drivers which in a way is what makes them so important - the Niro at least is arguably the first EV to aim squarely at the conventional family crossover/hatchback market. The Leaf obviously got to market first but even the 40kwh mk2 one doesn't really have the range to compete.

I'm sure the market will be flooded with such cars soon but right now it's really the only EV on the market which we could reasonably consider as a replacement for our current family car. I think the base model Polestar 2 will be another, as will the VW ID3 but they're a year behind the Kia to market.

Edited by kambites on Monday 8th July 12:24

[MaxSo]

For range, these are good sources of information:

https://ev-database.uk/

https://www.ecalc.ch/evcalc.php

https://abetterrouteplanner.com

For running costs and charge time:

https://www.goultralow.com/electric-car-savings/ho...

https://www.zap-map.com/tools/

https://evcompare.io/charging-calculator/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARUrS7YaFM...

Cost can be greatly reduced by charging off-peak at home with a supplier such as Octopus Go which offers 4 hours per night at 5p per kWh.... https://share.octopus.energy/anew-squid-738

Edited by MaxSo on Monday 8th July 13:26

[Otispunkmeyer]

Evanivitch said:

Hyundai Ioniq proving that you can make a Hybrid/PHEV/BEV platform that is an efficient EV. Just a shame they haven't got a 60kWh battery it it.

I think its getting a bump this year? but not the 64 kWh pack.... the 39kWh? I think the Ioniq only had a 28 kWh pack.

What I didn't appreciate about the Kona and eNiro is the former is actually quite a small car. The Kia seems to be larger, more family friendly one. At least thats how it looks. We had a Kona EV in the other day and I thought it looked a lot smaller than I thought it might. Not seen any on the roads mind! are we sure they're actually selling them?

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 8th July 14:08