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There's countless threads on them, but I wanted one that lists my thoughts. I've hated EV's for as long as I can remember, and I still don't think they're the future at all. With that being said, I've just been in the E Golf, I'm genuinely shocked at just how nice it is. A level of refinement that an ICE simply can't match, instant torque that doesn't die off and not related to the electric tech, the Golf itself is a really nice place to be. Would I put my own money into one? Probably not, I'd still choose the GTD or GTI if it was my own money, but I can see now why people like them. The range isn't great, but the savings in fuel as of now are impressive, although I'm not sure with the extra cost of the car. But I'm surprised at how much it impressed me, i think if I was to buy one, I'd likely wait for the next Golf. Really impressed though.
Edit: Meant to post to the EV section but being the moron I am, posted it to GG.
Edit: Meant to post to the EV section but being the moron I am, posted it to GG.
Edited by aaron_2000 on Friday 21st June 17:29
Edited by aaron_2000 on Friday 21st June 17:29
I should just add, there are two things i just can't stand:
1) People who are intolerant of other peoples cultures
2) The Dutch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ882QYzr-M
;-)
1) People who are intolerant of other peoples cultures
2) The Dutch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ882QYzr-M
;-)
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 21st June 18:00
Max_Torque said:
So you completely "hate EVS" and yet the one time you actually try one, you think it's great.
Glad we could help, perhaps have a go in a real fast EV like a Tesla M3 and get back to me :-)
Yes. Glad we could help, perhaps have a go in a real fast EV like a Tesla M3 and get back to me :-)
Krikkit said:
Why aren't they the future? What else do you think is coming?
I just don't think they are, I still think the ICE will outlast them. I don't think EV will go away, but I certainly don't think they'll replace them. Most people who hate them are speaking from complete ignorance.
Maybe the industry or the media have done a poor job at educating people, Some think the media driven by Big Oil and Old School Auto advertising revenues are deliberately manipulating things, that might be a bit of a stretch, I just think they're lazy.
Maybe the industry or the media have done a poor job at educating people, Some think the media driven by Big Oil and Old School Auto advertising revenues are deliberately manipulating things, that might be a bit of a stretch, I just think they're lazy.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Saturday 22 June 16:15
I was a bit ignorant of EVs until I bought a cheap Nissan LEAF to save money on my short commute as well as trying something a bit left field.
As a petrolhead I was surprised how much fun it was and how much tech they packed into it, not to mention the incredible 0-30 time!
After 18 months, range started to become an issue as my commute got longer so I progressed to a Volvo PHEV which I run almost solely on electric.
I still love ICE cars, and once my house is sold I'll be shopping McLaren, but I can't imagine not having an EV as my daily driver.
Currently awaiting a delivery date for my Tesla M3 SR+
As a petrolhead I was surprised how much fun it was and how much tech they packed into it, not to mention the incredible 0-30 time!
After 18 months, range started to become an issue as my commute got longer so I progressed to a Volvo PHEV which I run almost solely on electric.
I still love ICE cars, and once my house is sold I'll be shopping McLaren, but I can't imagine not having an EV as my daily driver.
Currently awaiting a delivery date for my Tesla M3 SR+
This is what it's about, getting people in them to see how nice they are to drive.
You do need to give advice though, a friend borrowed the Jag EV for a trip recently and it took him 13 hours as he didn't understand the charging. Literally plugged it in to a slow charger and thought that was as fast as it got rather than stopping at a rapid at the services.
You do need to give advice though, a friend borrowed the Jag EV for a trip recently and it took him 13 hours as he didn't understand the charging. Literally plugged it in to a slow charger and thought that was as fast as it got rather than stopping at a rapid at the services.
A500leroy said:
ill love them when i can get a used one for 5k and get five years use out of it with minimal repairs.
Depending on your mileage you'll be able to spend more then £5k on one to be in the same financial position though?Let's say you do 8k miles per year and average 35MPG in a petrol car. That's £115 a month in fuel, £1380 a year or £6900 over the 5 year term.
Taking the average ppm cost for EV charging (14p per KwH, 60 KwH car, 200 miles range) over the same period it would cost you £25 a month, £300 a year or £1500 over the 5 year term. If you switched to one of the special EV deals on offer you could get this even cheaper.
Based on that you could buy a £10k EV instead and be no worse off? And what's the residual value going to be after 5 years compared to the £5k ICE car?
Just something to consider..
Trevor555 said:
Is now a good time to buy one??
In a couple of years time when they've developed more, and have 400 to 500 ranges , what will an old hat one be worth that can only manage 200 miles?
Or will one be able to upgrade their batteries as technology advances?
What is this obsession with all new EV's having a 4-500 mile ranges?In a couple of years time when they've developed more, and have 400 to 500 ranges , what will an old hat one be worth that can only manage 200 miles?
Or will one be able to upgrade their batteries as technology advances?
Less than 1% of users would ever need to go that far between charges. For the vast majority 200 miles is more than enough to only require charging once a week either at a public charge or overnight at home.
How many people tank up their cars with fuel once a month as against just putting in £20 a week to suit their usage?
Charging speed is what needs significant improvement rather than range IMHO.
SWoll said:
What is this obsession with all new EV's having a 4-500 mile ranges?
Less than 1% of users would ever need to go that far between charges. For the vast majority 200 miles is more than enough to only require charging once a week either at a public charge or overnight at home.
How many people tank up their cars with fuel once a month as against just putting in £20 a week to suit their usage?
Charging speed is what needs significant improvement rather than range IMHO.
Quite right, different mindset with an EV... instead of making a special journey to refuel, you just recharge where you normally park, whether that is at home, work, cinema, theme park, etcLess than 1% of users would ever need to go that far between charges. For the vast majority 200 miles is more than enough to only require charging once a week either at a public charge or overnight at home.
How many people tank up their cars with fuel once a month as against just putting in £20 a week to suit their usage?
Charging speed is what needs significant improvement rather than range IMHO.
On the rare occasion where your journey is further than your range, then a rapid charge of 30-45min should top you up nicely, would agree charging rates need to improve, but its getting there
To those unsure about charging time, next time you pull into a motorway services, check your Sat nav ETA as you pull off, do you usual stuff at the services, then check again on back on the motorway.... usually you've spent about 30mins there, especially if you eat in, rather than eating as you drive, which risks you spilling your coffee!
SWoll said:
What is this obsession with all new EV's having a 4-500 mile ranges?
Less than 1% of users would ever need to go that far between charges. For the vast majority 200 miles is more than enough to only require charging once a week either at a public charge or overnight at home.
How many people tank up their cars with fuel once a month as against just putting in £20 a week to suit their usage?
Charging speed is what needs significant improvement rather than range IMHO.
Plenty of folk have longer trips (albeit infrequently) where they would appreciate the ability to complete those trips without first charging their car 100% before departure and secondly relying on a slow, sparse and unreliable public network of chargers several times during the trip.Less than 1% of users would ever need to go that far between charges. For the vast majority 200 miles is more than enough to only require charging once a week either at a public charge or overnight at home.
How many people tank up their cars with fuel once a month as against just putting in £20 a week to suit their usage?
Charging speed is what needs significant improvement rather than range IMHO.
To dismiss this range desire as merely an obsession is just mixing up what is possible and necessary with what consumers desire from their cars.
The balance surely has to be charging time/ speed against consumption/ efficiency. Something I think the Model 3 has done really well first time around but can still be improved upon,
SWoll said:
Trevor555 said:
Is now a good time to buy one??
In a couple of years time when they've developed more, and have 400 to 500 ranges , what will an old hat one be worth that can only manage 200 miles?
Or will one be able to upgrade their batteries as technology advances?
What is this obsession with all new EV's having a 4-500 mile ranges?In a couple of years time when they've developed more, and have 400 to 500 ranges , what will an old hat one be worth that can only manage 200 miles?
Or will one be able to upgrade their batteries as technology advances?
What will it do to the values of cars purchased now?
Trevor555 said:
That wasn't really my point.
What will it do to the values of cars purchased now?
The same effect as any used (ICE) cars, when a manufacturer brings an "all new and improved" version, with many new & improved features.... Its the same car industry tricks to encourage new car sales, which does keep the used car market more affordable.What will it do to the values of cars purchased now?
Edited by SpikeBmth on Sunday 23 June 11:33
Trevor555 said:
SWoll said:
Trevor555 said:
Is now a good time to buy one??
In a couple of years time when they've developed more, and have 400 to 500 ranges , what will an old hat one be worth that can only manage 200 miles?
Or will one be able to upgrade their batteries as technology advances?
What is this obsession with all new EV's having a 4-500 mile ranges?In a couple of years time when they've developed more, and have 400 to 500 ranges , what will an old hat one be worth that can only manage 200 miles?
Or will one be able to upgrade their batteries as technology advances?
What will it do to the values of cars purchased now?
(lots of people want an EV as a second car, in 2 car familes (which these days really is a lot of people) for local trips, where "range" is really unimportant compared to easy of use and low cost)
SpikeBmth said:
Trevor555 said:
That wasn't really my point.
What will it do to the values of cars purchased now?
The same effect as any used (ICE) cars, when a manufacturer brings an "all new and improved" version, with many new & improved features.... Its the same car industry tricks to encourage new car sales, which does keep the used car market more affordable.What will it do to the values of cars purchased now?
Edited by SpikeBmth on Sunday 23 June 11:33
As you rightly say, improvements are happening all the time, but in a few years, when all the manufacturers have models available, the prices will come down, and for a far superior product.
My question to the retailer right now would be, will I be able to upgrade my batteries in the future?
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