electricity engines and curing EV woes.....
Discussion
So we have EV ramping up. And the spectre of closing down city centres to fossil fuel cars.....
The electrical system isn't able to cope if we all went electric overnight... so how do we face up to this ?
how do we manage our desire to cut electricity footprint impact on the grid ?
How about this.....
We are struggling to provide rapid charging, so say a 100kw charger was possible to have at your house without impacting your mains supply to the house. say we were able to use the natural gas supply to a dwelling and have that power a natural gas generator, I know burring fossil fuel to recharge a battery isn't really EV but more along the lines of pollution displacement, could the pollution be more easily managed locally at a house than being emitted from a tail pipe city centre ?
it would be interesting to see what would happen and if our gas supply would be able to cope. An interesting spin off from this would be to use the engine to heat up a couple of hotwater tanks and this would be able to provide the hot water needs for the house and maybe even provide some heating ?
The electrical system isn't able to cope if we all went electric overnight... so how do we face up to this ?
how do we manage our desire to cut electricity footprint impact on the grid ?
How about this.....
We are struggling to provide rapid charging, so say a 100kw charger was possible to have at your house without impacting your mains supply to the house. say we were able to use the natural gas supply to a dwelling and have that power a natural gas generator, I know burring fossil fuel to recharge a battery isn't really EV but more along the lines of pollution displacement, could the pollution be more easily managed locally at a house than being emitted from a tail pipe city centre ?
it would be interesting to see what would happen and if our gas supply would be able to cope. An interesting spin off from this would be to use the engine to heat up a couple of hotwater tanks and this would be able to provide the hot water needs for the house and maybe even provide some heating ?
Edited by ruggedscotty on Thursday 6th June 22:03
What an absurd topic.
First the UK national grid says they can cope, second EVs can actually smooth out demand and reduce peaks,third it will take many years to switch over to EVs so wont happen 'over night', and finally no one typically needs to fast charge at home, 32amps is plenty fast enough because people sleep.
Also, most importantly.. natural gas has to be reduced and eliminated because burning stuff is a bad idea, choking the planet and unsustainable.
First the UK national grid says they can cope, second EVs can actually smooth out demand and reduce peaks,third it will take many years to switch over to EVs so wont happen 'over night', and finally no one typically needs to fast charge at home, 32amps is plenty fast enough because people sleep.
Also, most importantly.. natural gas has to be reduced and eliminated because burning stuff is a bad idea, choking the planet and unsustainable.
RobDickinson said:
What an absurd topic.
First the UK national grid says they can cope, second EVs can actually smooth out demand and reduce peaks,third it will take many years to switch over to EVs so wont happen 'over night', and finally no one typically needs to fast charge at home, 32amps is plenty fast enough because people sleep.
Also, most importantly.. natural gas has to be reduced and eliminated because burning stuff is a bad idea, choking the planet and unsustainable.
Wot he said.....preciselyFirst the UK national grid says they can cope, second EVs can actually smooth out demand and reduce peaks,third it will take many years to switch over to EVs so wont happen 'over night', and finally no one typically needs to fast charge at home, 32amps is plenty fast enough because people sleep.
Also, most importantly.. natural gas has to be reduced and eliminated because burning stuff is a bad idea, choking the planet and unsustainable.
RobDickinson said:
What an absurd topic.
First the UK national grid says they can cope, second EVs can actually smooth out demand and reduce peaks,third it will take many years to switch over to EVs so wont happen 'over night', and finally no one typically needs to fast charge at home, 32amps is plenty fast enough because people sleep.
They can at some time if the future by drawing energy's back our of the cars battery for the grid
Can't say I'd want my cars battery using it lifespan up to supply the grid
Also, most importantly.. natural gas has to be reduced and eliminated because burning stuff is a bad idea, choking the planet and unsustainable.
First the UK national grid says they can cope, second EVs can actually smooth out demand and reduce peaks,third it will take many years to switch over to EVs so wont happen 'over night', and finally no one typically needs to fast charge at home, 32amps is plenty fast enough because people sleep.
They can at some time if the future by drawing energy's back our of the cars battery for the grid
Can't say I'd want my cars battery using it lifespan up to supply the grid
Also, most importantly.. natural gas has to be reduced and eliminated because burning stuff is a bad idea, choking the planet and unsustainable.
"Can't say I'd want my cars battery using it lifespan up to supply the grid"
AFIk the trials with leafs may actually extend the battery life.
https://chargedevs.com/newswire/new-study-v2g-may-...
AFIk the trials with leafs may actually extend the battery life.
https://chargedevs.com/newswire/new-study-v2g-may-...
Is it such a bad idea when you think about it.... ?
scale it up, local combined heat and power plant feeding the local area with heat, and using the power to charge ev's satisfy the demand of a wider number of customers - do they need full charge ? a few minutes or so enough to provide for their daily needs and this could feed in to those that live in flats or houses without a charging facility.
the grid may have the ability but the actual generation can it cope ?
scale it up, local combined heat and power plant feeding the local area with heat, and using the power to charge ev's satisfy the demand of a wider number of customers - do they need full charge ? a few minutes or so enough to provide for their daily needs and this could feed in to those that live in flats or houses without a charging facility.
the grid may have the ability but the actual generation can it cope ?
Car to grid power supply could be an excellent thing at peak times (4-7pm) in actually making life easier for the grid - and also (in reverse) in taking power from the grid on v windy nights when wind turbines are generating too much power. When you look at the cost of a Tesla Powerwall (last cost I saw was £9k fitted for 13kWh battery) the 80-odd kWh in my car starts to look like a great resource that isn’t being used properly yet
ruggedscotty said:
Is it such a bad idea when you think about it.... ?
scale it up, local combined heat and power plant feeding the local area with heat, and using the power to charge ev's satisfy the demand of a wider number of customers - do they need full charge ? a few minutes or so enough to provide for their daily needs and this could feed in to those that live in flats or houses without a charging facility.
the grid may have the ability but the actual generation can it cope ?
It is the worst idea I have ever heard of. scale it up, local combined heat and power plant feeding the local area with heat, and using the power to charge ev's satisfy the demand of a wider number of customers - do they need full charge ? a few minutes or so enough to provide for their daily needs and this could feed in to those that live in flats or houses without a charging facility.
the grid may have the ability but the actual generation can it cope ?
We are moving away from fossil fuels to reduce air-born pollution with a huge push towards renewables. EV's will get used as a battery store and electricity will become cheaper as a result of the peak availability made possible by using EV's as an energy store.
We cope with it by living in the real world where the change-over will be a gradual thing. ruggedscotty said:
Is it such a bad idea when you think about it.... ?
scale it up, local combined heat and power plant feeding the local area with heat, and using the power to charge ev's satisfy the demand of a wider number of customers - do they need full charge ? a few minutes or so enough to provide for their daily needs and this could feed in to those that live in flats or houses without a charging facility.
the grid may have the ability but the actual generation can it cope ?
Yes, it is a bad idea, especially so the more you think about it.scale it up, local combined heat and power plant feeding the local area with heat, and using the power to charge ev's satisfy the demand of a wider number of customers - do they need full charge ? a few minutes or so enough to provide for their daily needs and this could feed in to those that live in flats or houses without a charging facility.
the grid may have the ability but the actual generation can it cope ?
Yes, generation can cope. No, local power plants aren't needed to power EV's, they can be kept topped up quite easily using existing infrastructure, and indeed existing technology is already sufficiently good to allow EV's to support the grid via V2G chargers rather than just drawing down from it.
Blue Oval84 said:
Yes, it is a bad idea, especially so the more you think about it.
Yes, generation can cope. No, local power plants aren't needed to power EV's, they can be kept topped up quite easily using existing infrastructure, and indeed existing technology is already sufficiently good to allow EV's to support the grid via V2G chargers rather than just drawing down from it.
If you think of solar panels as a "local power plant" and battery storage as a buffer, the idea holds (some) water, but it's nothing new.Yes, generation can cope. No, local power plants aren't needed to power EV's, they can be kept topped up quite easily using existing infrastructure, and indeed existing technology is already sufficiently good to allow EV's to support the grid via V2G chargers rather than just drawing down from it.
I wouldn't like to predict the electricity supply industry for the next 20-30 years as many people move to micro generation and power trading.
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