EV estates

[tamore]

where are they? is there a technical reason there are only PHEV models and no full EVs?

[Evanivitch]

I guess someone did the numbers and after city cars, family hatchbacks, saloons and crossovers they realised there wasn't a business case for an estate EV at this time.

[tamore]

Evanivitch said:

I guess someone did the numbers and after city cars, family hatchbacks, saloons and crossovers they realised there wasn't a business case for an estate EV at this time.

maybe, but surely that line of thinking would have been the same for what are essentially stepping stone PHEVs?

[Evanivitch]

tamore said:

Evanivitch said:

I guess someone did the numbers and after city cars, family hatchbacks, saloons and crossovers they realised there wasn't a business case for an estate EV at this time.

maybe, but surely that line of thinking would have been the same for what are essentially stepping stone PHEVs?

Certainly, but since 2016 Kia have only registered 555 so I wouldn't say they jumped too deep into that pool.

[tamore]

Evanivitch said:

Certainly, but since 2016 Kia have only registered 555 so I wouldn't say they jumped too deep into that pool.

don't know much about the kia. is it a re-bodied job or something they've dropped a load of R&D capital on?

[caseys]

There’s the Passat GTE?

Phevs are rare because mainly all are bought initially as company cars and I assume they couldn’t get them in a good emissions/BIK band.

BEV it’s probably the numbers for development don’t justify it yet. Same as on the other end of the spectrum there’s no estate M5 now.

[Europa Jon]

SUVs are on trend now. Also, being higher up than a regular estate, it's easier to hide the battery modules.

[ZesPak]

I've owned nothing but large estates for about 15 years now, I ordered a Model S. Compared to a lot of modern estates it's actually comparative.

So I think it's two fold:

1. Drag is a significant factor at anything above walking speed. Sloping the roof line helps a lot here.
2. Because of more freedom of packaging, they can still accommodate #1 whilst not losing out on cargo capacity.

There's a couple of niches where estates are preferred, like when you have big dogs or some professions, but I think these are so marginal that they can be ignored by the manufacturers for now.

[RicksAlfas]

Merc had a saloon and estate C350e PHEV.
BMW with their equivalent 330e only had a saloon and at the time claimed it was because the Chinese market favoured saloons and that's where they thought most of the cars would go.

[RicksAlfas]

Mondeo coming soon:
https://evfleetworld.co.uk/one-in-five-mondeos-are...

[MDL111]

Porsche Taycan Sport Turismo per PH article

[sneijder]

caseys said:

There’s the Passat GTE?

Phevs are rare because mainly all are bought initially as company cars and I assume they couldn’t get them in a good emissions/BIK band.

BEV it’s probably the numbers for development don’t justify it yet. Same as on the other end of the spectrum there’s no estate M5 now.

I have a Passat GTE herre in Norway, I drive to work with the battery full to empty and back with petrol, all motorway miles. I’ll easily see 80mpg after I’ve done the tank. Crap in deep snow though, I’m not confident driving up serious gradients with the auto box.

Mrs has an Opel Ampera E, rapid but not the best screwed together machine.