Time to hang my membership at the door
Discussion
So, this weekend I caved.
Went out for a test drive and paid the deposit on a Model S 100D with the full auto driver.
It's an expensive car but Tesla fixed up it's leasing so it actually works out not that much (they just state an absurdly high remaining value after 4 years, which shrinks down the monthly).
It's a company vehicle and in the current climate we're being pushed into electric cars. The hammer is down on diesels and now plug in hybrids, petrol would be a way to go but at 40k km/year the cost would be eye watering compared to electricity.
So, it's mostly a head over heart decision. But I have to say, I've test driven the Model S over 4 years ago and it has come a very long way. Coming from my XF, jumping into the new Model S, it didn't feel like a big step down.
There's a big gadget-level of course, and the navigation and autopilot are incredible.
I know that it is seen as an appliance, and while I have the occasional fun in the Jag, it's only 0.01% of my miles. The others are all on the highway, usually stuck in traffic, and it feels like the Tesla can make that a whole lot less tedious.
I also had a test drive with the I-PACE, and I really liked it. But since their recent price drop, the Tesla seems like a no-brainer.
For me, it seems like the tool for the job. I'll miss the Jag but I have no feeling I'll be taking a step back in any way. But I'll see in a couple of months!
Went out for a test drive and paid the deposit on a Model S 100D with the full auto driver.
It's an expensive car but Tesla fixed up it's leasing so it actually works out not that much (they just state an absurdly high remaining value after 4 years, which shrinks down the monthly).
It's a company vehicle and in the current climate we're being pushed into electric cars. The hammer is down on diesels and now plug in hybrids, petrol would be a way to go but at 40k km/year the cost would be eye watering compared to electricity.
So, it's mostly a head over heart decision. But I have to say, I've test driven the Model S over 4 years ago and it has come a very long way. Coming from my XF, jumping into the new Model S, it didn't feel like a big step down.
There's a big gadget-level of course, and the navigation and autopilot are incredible.
I know that it is seen as an appliance, and while I have the occasional fun in the Jag, it's only 0.01% of my miles. The others are all on the highway, usually stuck in traffic, and it feels like the Tesla can make that a whole lot less tedious.
I also had a test drive with the I-PACE, and I really liked it. But since their recent price drop, the Tesla seems like a no-brainer.
For me, it seems like the tool for the job. I'll miss the Jag but I have no feeling I'll be taking a step back in any way. But I'll see in a couple of months!
Would be interesting to see a write up in say 6 months for the said millage you are covering per year. I would be good to get an insight into how you would charge, how the car fairs this sort of use and how long you plan to keep it.
Every car has their positive and negatives. You've done the research and this suits you. end of really
Every car has their positive and negatives. You've done the research and this suits you. end of really
You won't regret it. I have a 2017 S100D, it is no sports car, but in day to day driving is fantastic - very easy overtaking, handles quite well for its weight, with a slight RWD bias, and excellent brakes.
I sent mine off for a service yesterday and have been given a Merc S class as a loaner. Good at what it does, but made me realise how much I like the Tesla. I do still have an old Porsche for weekends, though is much slower than the Tesla.
Good colour choice, am sure you will enjoy!
I sent mine off for a service yesterday and have been given a Merc S class as a loaner. Good at what it does, but made me realise how much I like the Tesla. I do still have an old Porsche for weekends, though is much slower than the Tesla.
Good colour choice, am sure you will enjoy!
Baldchap said:
Do you/will you have a home charger?
Yes. We've built this house a couple of years ago and I've foreseen this move, we have 3 Phase 32A in the house.It's one of the things I won't miss: petrol stations.
For almost all my needs the nightly charging will suffice. We have a lot of destination charging possibilities in Belgium, but it's nothing compared to the Netherlands.
Krikkit said:
Greg the Fish said:
No need to hand your membership in. That's a rocket ship!
Quite, as a daily that's a magnificent effort.That extra P is another 12k (!) for painted brakes, carbon inlays, bigger wheels and the Ludicrous pack.
Compared to my Jaguar @200bhp, the thing shifts. I know it's mainly straight line punch but still...
Best colour IMHO.
Oh and my 75D is quick enough to impress relatives/friends who own Jag V8, TVR, Audi S4 etc so I'm sure a P100D will be appreciated. It's the lack of noise - bar a small high pitch whine from the motors - that impresses most people.
Just as aside, I've clocked 16k since last May in mine at a theoretical electricity cost of 5p per mile (based on 14p/kWh) - which on a cost comparison based on £6 per gallon of diesel/petrol equals 120mpg. I say theoretical as I've not paid for all the charging - most is done at work for free (and partly fed from a PV array so is renewable), some done at Tesla superchargers and other free to use charge points and some at paid for charge points.
Some owners have exact cost / charging data but I'm happy enough knowing that I'll save around £2k this year on charging versus the petrol cost from the previous year for the same mileage in a hybrid vehicle.
Oh and my 75D is quick enough to impress relatives/friends who own Jag V8, TVR, Audi S4 etc so I'm sure a P100D will be appreciated. It's the lack of noise - bar a small high pitch whine from the motors - that impresses most people.
Just as aside, I've clocked 16k since last May in mine at a theoretical electricity cost of 5p per mile (based on 14p/kWh) - which on a cost comparison based on £6 per gallon of diesel/petrol equals 120mpg. I say theoretical as I've not paid for all the charging - most is done at work for free (and partly fed from a PV array so is renewable), some done at Tesla superchargers and other free to use charge points and some at paid for charge points.
Some owners have exact cost / charging data but I'm happy enough knowing that I'll save around £2k this year on charging versus the petrol cost from the previous year for the same mileage in a hybrid vehicle.
Terminator X said:
I got slaughtered off the line by a P100D on a 200m drag race (on a track) even in my RS4 so they are plenty quick of course. Didn't get away after it pulled a few car lengths though so presumably a reasonable power match too as well as mental torque.
TX.
Hmm, a P100D is an 11sec car, the RS4 is 13 sec.TX.
The P100D is mental, check out Tesla Racing Channel on youtube. The guy runs a basically stock P100D and just destroys custom build cars.
Thanks for all the positive comments!
It does feel like something completely different, and to replace a diesel luxury car it seems ideal. It has the power to pull it's own weight (and then some) and is comfortable.
My XF is a sportbrake but the Model S almost matches it in cargo. The fact that it's a hatchback rather than a true Sedan also helps a lot.
Another point is that there isn't much fuzz about options. Panoramic roof? They all have it. The full on infotainment? Yes. Parking sensors and the like? Cruise control? Hydraulics?
The only decision (a part from the aesthetics) you have to make is whether you want the auto pilot or not, but even that you can get after you bought it (at an added cost).
For the kind of driving I do (on ramp to off ramp), it seemed silly not to go for the autopilot.
Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 20th March 11:23
When you say 40k a year is that mostly long journeys? I assume at those miles they are.
Will be interesting to see how you get on have had my 90 for coming up to 4 years. Have to confess to using my ICE for my last 3 business trips because I have grown tired of the charging.
How fast do you tend to drive?
Hope it works out for you they are great cars if it works out.
Will be interesting to see how you get on have had my 90 for coming up to 4 years. Have to confess to using my ICE for my last 3 business trips because I have grown tired of the charging.
How fast do you tend to drive?
Hope it works out for you they are great cars if it works out.
ntiz said:
When you say 40k a year is that mostly long journeys? I assume at those miles they are.
Will be interesting to see how you get on have had my 90 for coming up to 4 years. Have to confess to using my ICE for my last 3 business trips because I have grown tired of the charging.
How fast do you tend to drive?
Hope it works out for you they are great cars if it works out.
As I stated: 40k KM (we don't drive miles on the continent Will be interesting to see how you get on have had my 90 for coming up to 4 years. Have to confess to using my ICE for my last 3 business trips because I have grown tired of the charging.
How fast do you tend to drive?
Hope it works out for you they are great cars if it works out.
).My problem isn't overly long journeys, it's a constant ~200km/day. So I will almost never need destination charging if I remember to plug it in every day (to 80% for example).
The odd longer journey is 400km in a day, but I'm hoping it will do that without much effort.
ZesPak said:
ntiz said:
When you say 40k a year is that mostly long journeys? I assume at those miles they are.
Will be interesting to see how you get on have had my 90 for coming up to 4 years. Have to confess to using my ICE for my last 3 business trips because I have grown tired of the charging.
How fast do you tend to drive?
Hope it works out for you they are great cars if it works out.
As I stated: 40k KM (we don't drive miles on the continent Will be interesting to see how you get on have had my 90 for coming up to 4 years. Have to confess to using my ICE for my last 3 business trips because I have grown tired of the charging.
How fast do you tend to drive?
Hope it works out for you they are great cars if it works out.
).My problem isn't overly long journeys, it's a constant ~200km/day. So I will almost never need destination charging if I remember to plug it in every day (to 80% for example).
The odd longer journey is 400km in a day, but I'm hoping it will do that without much effort.
Will save you a fortune as well.
To answer the question about running out of charge Tesla services will arrange having your car collected. Happened to my Dad on the first day he had it.
Edited by ntiz on Wednesday 20th March 12:19
SimonTheSailor said:
Just out of interest, what do you do if you run flat/out of electricity ?
Are the AA/RAC equipped to come out and give you a quick boost to get you to the next place ?
The car tries everything it can to stop this happening, but if you ignore it all and push on until the batttery is empty the AA would just tow you to the nearest charging station.Are the AA/RAC equipped to come out and give you a quick boost to get you to the next place ?
Towing the car will also charge it quite quickly but I think it isn't a recommended solution but there are youtube videos showing it works.
ntiz said:
With that usage it should be great for you. Shouldn’t have any of the problems I have had. If you have no problems with the charging they are super comfortable for journeys like that.
Will save you a fortune as well.
I now do 300-400 EUR/month in diesel. Will save you a fortune as well.
I've calculated that that's going to 100-200 EUR in sparky magic.
Not enough to justify the vehicle cost but not insignificant at 2000 EUR/year savings in fuel.
In the end, the car is going to cost me a little more than the Jag, but a lot less of it will go to taxes
.Accelerated said:
Would be very interested to see the finance figures they offered
They still have to give me a final offer, but the website gives you an idea.The odd thing, as I stated, for leasing is that they keep a very high remaining value. I think other brands will say about 20% residuals after 4 years, but Tesla does a (more realistic tbh) 30% or higher. Which means, by the end of the lease, it's a less compelling prospect to purchase the vehicle from them.
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