What is your Nissan Leaf Highest Mileage?
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Nissan Leaf owners and car enthusiasts out there…
Can anyone tell me the top mileage they have got on the motorway without recharging?
Have had some varying numbers on my part based on speed, weather and whether its day and night driving. I did a round trip of about 80 miles, almost all on the motorway. It was a wet evening in November so I had the lights and air con on all the way and had a range left of about 35 miles when I got home. I averaged about 60 mph on the motorway. Am curious on what it is actually capable of with actual users, not concerned with the commercials
Can anyone tell me the top mileage they have got on the motorway without recharging?
Have had some varying numbers on my part based on speed, weather and whether its day and night driving. I did a round trip of about 80 miles, almost all on the motorway. It was a wet evening in November so I had the lights and air con on all the way and had a range left of about 35 miles when I got home. I averaged about 60 mph on the motorway. Am curious on what it is actually capable of with actual users, not concerned with the commercials
jjwilde said:
The Leaf has pretty bad economy. You're looking at maybe 110miles in this weather at 70mph.
Take a look at something like the Kona which gets more like 220 miles in similar conditions if range is a key factor in what you want.
Economy is the wrong word to use for an EV. Take a look at something like the Kona which gets more like 220 miles in similar conditions if range is a key factor in what you want.
All EVs will use around 250 watts of energy per mile. But actual distance travelled is dependent on battery size, speed, wind and temperature.
A Kona goes further because it has a bigger battery, nothing to do with efficiency or economy.
As the battery capacity reduces with age, only the range will suffer.
caziques said:
Economy is the wrong word to use for an EV.
All EVs will use around 250 watts of energy per mile. But actual distance travelled is dependent on battery size, speed, wind and temperature.
A Kona goes further because it has a bigger battery, nothing to do with efficiency or economy.
As the battery capacity reduces with age, only the range will suffer.
Humm, so your theory would mean an iPace and its massive 84kWh usable battery would go alot future than a Kona with a 64kWh battery?All EVs will use around 250 watts of energy per mile. But actual distance travelled is dependent on battery size, speed, wind and temperature.
A Kona goes further because it has a bigger battery, nothing to do with efficiency or economy.
As the battery capacity reduces with age, only the range will suffer.
And a 100kWh Tesla Model X should destory a 75kWh Model 3 on a range test?
caziques said:
Economy is the wrong word to use for an EV.
All EVs will use around 250 watts of energy per mile. But actual distance travelled is dependent on battery size, speed, wind and temperature.
A Kona goes further because it has a bigger battery, nothing to do with efficiency or economy.
As the battery capacity reduces with age, only the range will suffer.
Erm... I'm pretty sure that is wrong. The Kona is all round more efficient than the Leaf. Also see the Ioniq.All EVs will use around 250 watts of energy per mile. But actual distance travelled is dependent on battery size, speed, wind and temperature.
A Kona goes further because it has a bigger battery, nothing to do with efficiency or economy.
As the battery capacity reduces with age, only the range will suffer.
Range is a function of capacity and resistance (so mostly areo at chosen speed)
I’m averaging 4 miles per KW over the last 8000 miles. The milk float has a 24KW battery. If full, the maths suggests 96 miles.
In the winter, with 1400w of heating, I’m doing about 50 before it’s time to plug in.
I’m averaging 4 miles per KW over the last 8000 miles. The milk float has a 24KW battery. If full, the maths suggests 96 miles.
In the winter, with 1400w of heating, I’m doing about 50 before it’s time to plug in.
REALIST123 said:
“Nissan Leaf owners and car enthusiasts” in the same sentence!
Is that a first?
Sitting outside is a big V8, an Elise and a Leaf. I’m not sure what that makes me. Are there any more conclusions you’d like to jump to? Is that a first?
jjwilde said:
Erm... I'm pretty sure that is wrong. The Kona is all round more efficient than the Leaf. Also see the Ioniq.
Not sure why the different EVs would be much different on efficiency, as electric power train efficiency is very well understood amongst manufacturers. Larger and less aerodynamic vehicles would be a little worse, the kona doesn't looks especially aero dynamic.I wish the motoring press would do a convoy somewhere and try and objectively answers some of these questions.
https://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/files/AAA-Elect...
This was very interesting and seamed to suggest the Leaf was particularly good in cold conditions.
dmsims said:
granada203028 said:
Not sure why the different EVs would be much different on efficiency, as electric power train efficiency is very well understood amongst manufacturers.
Clearly not by Jaguar who did an appalling job with the iPaceWhat’s your experience that leads to that damning conclusion?
Smiljan said:
I think he means the efficiency, it's been mentioned in a lot of reviews that it isn't currently very good in the I-Pace.
Which reviews and what is meant by "not very good"? Is there a side by side journey with something else where the jag is significantly different by say 10%?I'm electronics engineer with some knowledge of motor controls and can't see with all the modern CAD tools and verification resources Jaguar must have that they could get it significantly wrong.
High power density motors maybe new to cars but we have had them in aerospace applications for decades.
https://insideevs.com/electric-car-ev-range-test-r...
Just one of many, I don’t think it’s motor efficiency in particular that is being questioned with the i pace but more distance travelled per unit of energy which can be down to many sub parts of the whole design such as aero, software, battery chemistry to name but a few.
Shows how tricky I can be to get right.
Just one of many, I don’t think it’s motor efficiency in particular that is being questioned with the i pace but more distance travelled per unit of energy which can be down to many sub parts of the whole design such as aero, software, battery chemistry to name but a few.
Shows how tricky I can be to get right.
Edited by Smiljan on Sunday 17th February 21:27
Smiljan said:
Wow, the Jag sucks a lot of juice!granada203028 said:
Which reviews and what is meant by "not very good"? Is there a side by side journey with something else where the jag is significantly different by say 10%?
I'm electronics engineer with some knowledge of motor controls and can't see with all the modern CAD tools and verification resources Jaguar must have that they could get it significantly wrong.
Just hilarious - how about doing some research ????????????????????I'm electronics engineer with some knowledge of motor controls and can't see with all the modern CAD tools and verification resources Jaguar must have that they could get it significantly wrong.
There have been various efficiency tests done and just like any car there is a variation. They don't all use the same motors, drivetrain, batteries etc so of course there will be variations.
https://pushevs.com/2018/07/29/range-efficiency-te...
ETA: For side by side comparisons then head for youtube, loads on there.
Bjorn Nyland does many of them. Every car he tests as close to possible over the same route and speed, he then puts them on a table for efficiency.
Leaf vs E-Golf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WecVkJ2Nf6o
Leaf vs Ioniq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3MsS9M3dE
https://pushevs.com/2018/07/29/range-efficiency-te...
ETA: For side by side comparisons then head for youtube, loads on there.
Bjorn Nyland does many of them. Every car he tests as close to possible over the same route and speed, he then puts them on a table for efficiency.
Leaf vs E-Golf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WecVkJ2Nf6o
Leaf vs Ioniq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3MsS9M3dE
Edited by poing on Sunday 17th February 21:56
Yep just because two cars are electric doesnt mean they have the same efficiency.
Efficiency is affected by several things, the power train, battery, weight, tires, aero, size etc
The Jag has a decent battery but its aero is poor and its not that light. and IMO there is likely poor efficiency coming from the dual motor setup. Its one of the least efficient Evs on the market. Its still a fine car within its range and when going outside that it can (or will) charge at 100kw and not rapidgate I assume. But Its aero problems mean the faster you go the longer you will be standing around charging.
Ioniq is about the most efficient, lighter, good aero and small etc. With the model 3 rwd the next most efficient.
Also with the leafs the stated batter size is the whole battery unlike the Hyundai(s) where the stated capacity is the usable one. So on the 62kwh leaf its usable is a lot less ( ~56kwh) whereas the kona has the full 64kwh with extra.
The etron should be interesting (compared to x and ipace), big, poorish aero and only allowing access to ~82kwh of battery out of 95.
Efficiency is affected by several things, the power train, battery, weight, tires, aero, size etc
The Jag has a decent battery but its aero is poor and its not that light. and IMO there is likely poor efficiency coming from the dual motor setup. Its one of the least efficient Evs on the market. Its still a fine car within its range and when going outside that it can (or will) charge at 100kw and not rapidgate I assume. But Its aero problems mean the faster you go the longer you will be standing around charging.
Ioniq is about the most efficient, lighter, good aero and small etc. With the model 3 rwd the next most efficient.
Also with the leafs the stated batter size is the whole battery unlike the Hyundai(s) where the stated capacity is the usable one. So on the 62kwh leaf its usable is a lot less ( ~56kwh) whereas the kona has the full 64kwh with extra.
The etron should be interesting (compared to x and ipace), big, poorish aero and only allowing access to ~82kwh of battery out of 95.
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