What is your Nissan Leaf Highest Mileage?

What is your Nissan Leaf Highest Mileage?

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CarKing

Original Poster:

57 posts

75 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Nissan Leaf owners and car enthusiasts out there…
Can anyone tell me the top mileage they have got on the motorway without recharging?
Have had some varying numbers on my part based on speed, weather and whether its day and night driving. I did a round trip of about 80 miles, almost all on the motorway. It was a wet evening in November so I had the lights and air con on all the way and had a range left of about 35 miles when I got home. I averaged about 60 mph on the motorway. Am curious on what it is actually capable of with actual users, not concerned with the commercials

jjwilde

1,904 posts

101 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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The Leaf has pretty bad economy. You're looking at maybe 110miles in this weather at 70mph.

Take a look at something like the Kona which gets more like 220 miles in similar conditions if range is a key factor in what you want.

anonymous-user

59 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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“Nissan Leaf owners and car enthusiasts” in the same sentence!

Is that a first? wink

caziques

2,632 posts

173 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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jjwilde said:
The Leaf has pretty bad economy. You're looking at maybe 110miles in this weather at 70mph.

Take a look at something like the Kona which gets more like 220 miles in similar conditions if range is a key factor in what you want.
Economy is the wrong word to use for an EV.

All EVs will use around 250 watts of energy per mile. But actual distance travelled is dependent on battery size, speed, wind and temperature.

A Kona goes further because it has a bigger battery, nothing to do with efficiency or economy.

As the battery capacity reduces with age, only the range will suffer.

gangzoom

6,649 posts

220 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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caziques said:
Economy is the wrong word to use for an EV.

All EVs will use around 250 watts of energy per mile. But actual distance travelled is dependent on battery size, speed, wind and temperature.

A Kona goes further because it has a bigger battery, nothing to do with efficiency or economy.

As the battery capacity reduces with age, only the range will suffer.
Humm, so your theory would mean an iPace and its massive 84kWh usable battery would go alot future than a Kona with a 64kWh battery?

And a 100kWh Tesla Model X should destory a 75kWh Model 3 on a range test?



jjwilde

1,904 posts

101 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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caziques said:
Economy is the wrong word to use for an EV.

All EVs will use around 250 watts of energy per mile. But actual distance travelled is dependent on battery size, speed, wind and temperature.

A Kona goes further because it has a bigger battery, nothing to do with efficiency or economy.

As the battery capacity reduces with age, only the range will suffer.
Erm... I'm pretty sure that is wrong. The Kona is all round more efficient than the Leaf. Also see the Ioniq.

Mr E

22,033 posts

264 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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Range is a function of capacity and resistance (so mostly areo at chosen speed)

I’m averaging 4 miles per KW over the last 8000 miles. The milk float has a 24KW battery. If full, the maths suggests 96 miles.

In the winter, with 1400w of heating, I’m doing about 50 before it’s time to plug in.


REALIST123 said:
“Nissan Leaf owners and car enthusiasts” in the same sentence!

Is that a first? wink
Sitting outside is a big V8, an Elise and a Leaf. I’m not sure what that makes me. Are there any more conclusions you’d like to jump to?

SCEtoAUX

4,119 posts

86 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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REALIST123 said:
“Nissan Leaf owners and car enthusiasts” in the same sentence!

Is that a first? wink
I'm a car enthusiast and I have a Nissan Leaf.

chuenmanc

74 posts

146 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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The furthest I’ve done in a 30kwh Leaf is a journey of 135 miles. That was in mild weather, not doing much more than 60/65mph, and driving slow for the last 10 miles to make sure I made it home. I wouldn’t do it again!

granada203028

1,488 posts

202 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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jjwilde said:
Erm... I'm pretty sure that is wrong. The Kona is all round more efficient than the Leaf. Also see the Ioniq.
Not sure why the different EVs would be much different on efficiency, as electric power train efficiency is very well understood amongst manufacturers. Larger and less aerodynamic vehicles would be a little worse, the kona doesn't looks especially aero dynamic.

I wish the motoring press would do a convoy somewhere and try and objectively answers some of these questions.

https://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/files/AAA-Elect...

This was very interesting and seamed to suggest the Leaf was particularly good in cold conditions.

dmsims

6,729 posts

272 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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granada203028 said:
Not sure why the different EVs would be much different on efficiency, as electric power train efficiency is very well understood amongst manufacturers.
Clearly not by Jaguar who did an appalling job with the iPace

anonymous-user

59 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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dmsims said:
granada203028 said:
Not sure why the different EVs would be much different on efficiency, as electric power train efficiency is very well understood amongst manufacturers.
Clearly not by Jaguar who did an appalling job with the iPace
Really? Most reviews I’ve read rate it quite highly.

What’s your experience that leads to that damning conclusion?

Smiljan

11,047 posts

202 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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I think he means the efficiency, it's been mentioned in a lot of reviews that it isn't currently very good in the I-Pace.

granada203028

1,488 posts

202 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Smiljan said:
I think he means the efficiency, it's been mentioned in a lot of reviews that it isn't currently very good in the I-Pace.
Which reviews and what is meant by "not very good"? Is there a side by side journey with something else where the jag is significantly different by say 10%?

I'm electronics engineer with some knowledge of motor controls and can't see with all the modern CAD tools and verification resources Jaguar must have that they could get it significantly wrong.

High power density motors maybe new to cars but we have had them in aerospace applications for decades.

Smiljan

11,047 posts

202 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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https://insideevs.com/electric-car-ev-range-test-r...

Just one of many, I don’t think it’s motor efficiency in particular that is being questioned with the i pace but more distance travelled per unit of energy which can be down to many sub parts of the whole design such as aero, software, battery chemistry to name but a few.

Shows how tricky I can be to get right.



Edited by Smiljan on Sunday 17th February 21:27

cheddar

4,637 posts

179 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Smiljan said:
Wow, the Jag sucks a lot of juice!

dmsims

6,729 posts

272 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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granada203028 said:
Which reviews and what is meant by "not very good"? Is there a side by side journey with something else where the jag is significantly different by say 10%?

I'm electronics engineer with some knowledge of motor controls and can't see with all the modern CAD tools and verification resources Jaguar must have that they could get it significantly wrong.
Just hilarious - how about doing some research ????????????????????

poing

8,743 posts

205 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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There have been various efficiency tests done and just like any car there is a variation. They don't all use the same motors, drivetrain, batteries etc so of course there will be variations.

https://pushevs.com/2018/07/29/range-efficiency-te...

ETA: For side by side comparisons then head for youtube, loads on there.
Bjorn Nyland does many of them. Every car he tests as close to possible over the same route and speed, he then puts them on a table for efficiency.
Leaf vs E-Golf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WecVkJ2Nf6o
Leaf vs Ioniq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3MsS9M3dE



Edited by poing on Sunday 17th February 21:56

Mr E

22,033 posts

264 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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cheddar said:
Wow, the Jag sucks a lot of juice!
What’s the cda of the iPace compared with something like a Model X?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

259 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Yep just because two cars are electric doesnt mean they have the same efficiency.

Efficiency is affected by several things, the power train, battery, weight, tires, aero, size etc

The Jag has a decent battery but its aero is poor and its not that light. and IMO there is likely poor efficiency coming from the dual motor setup. Its one of the least efficient Evs on the market. Its still a fine car within its range and when going outside that it can (or will) charge at 100kw and not rapidgate I assume. But Its aero problems mean the faster you go the longer you will be standing around charging.

Ioniq is about the most efficient, lighter, good aero and small etc. With the model 3 rwd the next most efficient.

Also with the leafs the stated batter size is the whole battery unlike the Hyundai(s) where the stated capacity is the usable one. So on the 62kwh leaf its usable is a lot less ( ~56kwh) whereas the kona has the full 64kwh with extra.

The etron should be interesting (compared to x and ipace), big, poorish aero and only allowing access to ~82kwh of battery out of 95.