Nio ES6 weighs in at about £41k
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This looks like a very impressive piece of kit and specification for the price. Again, I'm not convinced about the "Nomi" thing on the dashboard (hopefully it can be deleted or at least deactivated).
Why are the Chinese manufacturers all quoting NEDC ranges? I know they make the car look likely it has this super long range, but nobody is fooled by it. I thought they were all signed up to the WLTP.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-ni...
https://www.nio.io/es6
Anyone know when and where they'll be launching in the UK?
Why are the Chinese manufacturers all quoting NEDC ranges? I know they make the car look likely it has this super long range, but nobody is fooled by it. I thought they were all signed up to the WLTP.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-ni...
https://www.nio.io/es6
Anyone know when and where they'll be launching in the UK?
Edited by Witchfinder on Monday 17th December 20:56
Witchfinder said:
This looks like a very impressive piece of kit and specification for the price. Again, I'm not convinced about the "Nomi" thing on the dashboard (hopefully it can be deleted or at least deactivated).
Why are the Chinese manufacturers all quoting NEDC ranges? I know they make the car look likely it has this super long range, but nobody is fooled by it. I thought they were all signed up to the WLTP.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-ni...
https://www.nio.io/es6
Anyone know when and where they'll be launching in the UK?
It does indeed look an impressive bit of kit. I was at the launch (I work for them!). I've not been in one yet.Why are the Chinese manufacturers all quoting NEDC ranges? I know they make the car look likely it has this super long range, but nobody is fooled by it. I thought they were all signed up to the WLTP.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-ni...
https://www.nio.io/es6
Anyone know when and where they'll be launching in the UK?
Edited by Witchfinder on Monday 17th December 20:56
For NOMI, there are at least 2 versions - the one with the smily face is ideal for China, but they also have a non-face one that would suit the non-China market but is available in China too. I saw it for the first time this week and it looked good (in my opinion!).
No idea on the NEDC range - I shall ask!!
Currently, there are no official plans outside of China - the focus is to do China really well in the first instance.
Cheers
Rob
Well that is bitterly disappointing. The Germans keep launching combustion SUVs whilst making vague noises about having some electric cars on sale in seven years time. Meanwhile, the only halfway decent sized EVs available in Europe, with even a remotely usable range are 70 grand plus.
It does look nice but don’t be fooled by Autocars utterly meaningless FX conversion. If this car were to be brought in today then it would £70k+ and a dismal flop as no one in that price segment would switch. Imagine the horror of having a car on your drive that the neighbours didn’t instantly understand made you a superior human being to them.
Witchfinder said:
I wouldn't pay 70. 40 would be about right, even if that were after the government grant.
And you would be right. But that probably explains why they won’t rush to sell them here but have a long term plan to raise brand awareness and get prices down before sticking them on a boat. amstrange1 said:
Looks like it carries over the ES8 powertrain at the rear. Is the front e-axle all new?
Yes, the ES6 has a different set-up to the ES8 with a PM motor at the front for efficiency and an IM motor at the rear for performance. I understand it's done to combine efficiency and performance, and yet the 0-100kph time is still only 4.7 seconds! It can be had with an 84 KWh LC battery. But I would point out I'm not an engineer so I'm no expert!!I've not managed to touch one in the flesh just yet, but I'm due back in China a couple of times in January so hope to get to see one sometime soon.
I wish they were on sale in the UK!!
Cheers
Rob
It's a logical approach if you've got the bits in the parts bin - same solution as the two motor Tesla Model 3s.
The induction machine at the rear can be electrically disconnected with minimal efficiency losses, so presumably helps quite a bit on light load/legislative drivecycles whereby the vehicle can be propelled with only the (more efficient) permanent magnet machine.
If they stuck a permanent magnet rotor in the rear e-axle they'd get even more performance (especially continuous rating), but you'd lose your ability to electrically disconnect.
Is there any engineering being done in the UK for the European vehicles?
The induction machine at the rear can be electrically disconnected with minimal efficiency losses, so presumably helps quite a bit on light load/legislative drivecycles whereby the vehicle can be propelled with only the (more efficient) permanent magnet machine.
If they stuck a permanent magnet rotor in the rear e-axle they'd get even more performance (especially continuous rating), but you'd lose your ability to electrically disconnect.
Is there any engineering being done in the UK for the European vehicles?
amstrange1 said:
It's a logical approach if you've got the bits in the parts bin - same solution as the two motor Tesla Model 3s.
The induction machine at the rear can be electrically disconnected with minimal efficiency losses, so presumably helps quite a bit on light load/legislative drivecycles whereby the vehicle can be propelled with only the (more efficient) permanent magnet machine.
If they stuck a permanent magnet rotor in the rear e-axle they'd get even more performance (especially continuous rating), but you'd lose your ability to electrically disconnect.
Is there any engineering being done in the UK for the European vehicles?
It's easy to lose me in the technical bits!!! But it sounds logical!! The induction machine at the rear can be electrically disconnected with minimal efficiency losses, so presumably helps quite a bit on light load/legislative drivecycles whereby the vehicle can be propelled with only the (more efficient) permanent magnet machine.
If they stuck a permanent magnet rotor in the rear e-axle they'd get even more performance (especially continuous rating), but you'd lose your ability to electrically disconnect.
Is there any engineering being done in the UK for the European vehicles?
We have a global engineering team that works around the globe and clock, some of whom are based in the UK. They work on a very wide range of projects but currently there are no official plans for Europe. Then again, things change quickly in NIO!
Some of the things I've seen them working on look really cool, and hopefully they'll be in the public domain before too long.
I'll try to keep people informed of developments if there's interest.
Cheers
Rob
We're well past the days when Chinese cars designed for export had the sturctural integrity of a packet of crisps. I see no reason it shouldn't be competitive in terms of crash-worthiness. I'd imagine big heavy electric SUV is probably the easiest type of vehicle to get high scores on NCAP.
I don't have the crash testing result details but I know the team were happy with them! They were also happy how close the computer simulations were to the actual crash test performance, which was reassuring!!!
I can see what tests and scores we have achieved when I'm back after the holidays - I'm trying to avoid going into the office over the holiday period!!
I just wish the DVLA were a bit quicker with their test procedures so I can get a couple of our ES8's on the road in the UK for testing and PR purposes, but hopefully we'll get some progress after the holidays!
Shout if anyone has any specific questions - I usually know who to ask!!
Cheers
Rob
I can see what tests and scores we have achieved when I'm back after the holidays - I'm trying to avoid going into the office over the holiday period!!
I just wish the DVLA were a bit quicker with their test procedures so I can get a couple of our ES8's on the road in the UK for testing and PR purposes, but hopefully we'll get some progress after the holidays!
Shout if anyone has any specific questions - I usually know who to ask!!
Cheers
Rob
Robscim said:
I just wish the DVLA were a bit quicker with their test procedures so I can get a couple of our ES8's on the road in the UK for testing and PR purposes, but hopefully we'll get some progress after the holidays!
Good luck with getting them on the road. I'd be very interested to see one!gangzoom said:
So are these things 100% coming to the UK?
The traditonal manfactures see incapable of producing a good EV, and am more than ready to hand more cash over to new compaines who aren't stuck with a design philosophy from the combustion age.
Have to disagree I’m afraid, Renault and Nissan both produced excellent EVs in large numbers. BMW with the i3, Hyundai and Kia. The traditonal manfactures see incapable of producing a good EV, and am more than ready to hand more cash over to new compaines who aren't stuck with a design philosophy from the combustion age.
The others may be a little slower to move over and more cautious not to switch too fast and destroy their giant businesses (and the thousands of jobs that go with them) but I’d be very dubious about comments calling them incapable.
I really wouldn’t put my own hard earned cash in a total unknown company over that of a known entity. Why not your money where your mouth is and buy one of these Chinese thingies to go with your Tesla? (Watch the video on their site first though -
Fokine ugly car) Unfortunately at the moment people seem to be so blinkered they’ll pay out extortionate amounts on any EV going just because it’s an EV not because it’s a better car. Companies seem to be popping up all the time to cash in on this baffling trend and with the tech moving fast I can see some financial future pain for many of these buyers.
Might be prudent not to jump into this EV market for a few years yet until it matures sufficiently although I understand why people are drawn to dive in now.
Edited by Smiljan on Wednesday 26th December 21:13
It’s the end of 2018 and not one single human being on the planet has to buy an EV. 23m people this year chose to buy a new car. A few hundred thousand opted out of personal choice and circumstance to pay a premium for an EV.
Incumbent manufacturers aren’t incapable of building EVs they are just moving in accordance with market demand.
When EVs actually become genuinely cheaper to buy and run for a significant percentage of the population of car buyers then we will see the inversion. Until then it will be more of the same.
2019 looks to be a good year for EVs as choice grows and existing products mature and filter down but it’s still early days and even in 2019 most new car buyers in the planet will opt for ICE or an ICE variant.
These things take time. Probably the honest reality is a decade minimum before the average buyer is sitting there looking at the choice of an EV or an ICE and seeing the numbers being better for an EV and it fitting within their general requirements.
Incumbent manufacturers aren’t incapable of building EVs they are just moving in accordance with market demand.
When EVs actually become genuinely cheaper to buy and run for a significant percentage of the population of car buyers then we will see the inversion. Until then it will be more of the same.
2019 looks to be a good year for EVs as choice grows and existing products mature and filter down but it’s still early days and even in 2019 most new car buyers in the planet will opt for ICE or an ICE variant.
These things take time. Probably the honest reality is a decade minimum before the average buyer is sitting there looking at the choice of an EV or an ICE and seeing the numbers being better for an EV and it fitting within their general requirements.
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