They're here.........genuine Tesla competitors
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So as a Tesla Model S owner, I've been wondering when the competition will catch up.
Zoe/Leaf/i3/etc - all good attempts, but not the range or tech of a Tesla.
Here comes (in my opinion) the first car which is going to genuinely compete with Tesla (certainly with the Model 3 market).
https://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/kona-electric
A good review here, from an avid Tesla fan who admits he would buy this next over his Tesla at the end - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe2PGCCODu0&fe...
Priced similarly to the Model 3 (if not cheaper when the M3 actually comes out). Well equipped with their version of autopilot and TACC without paying Tesla £5k for it!
I hate to say it...........but Tesla's days are numbered unless they really get cracking on the M3 deliveries quickly.
Zoe/Leaf/i3/etc - all good attempts, but not the range or tech of a Tesla.
Here comes (in my opinion) the first car which is going to genuinely compete with Tesla (certainly with the Model 3 market).
https://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/kona-electric
A good review here, from an avid Tesla fan who admits he would buy this next over his Tesla at the end - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe2PGCCODu0&fe...
Priced similarly to the Model 3 (if not cheaper when the M3 actually comes out). Well equipped with their version of autopilot and TACC without paying Tesla £5k for it!
I hate to say it...........but Tesla's days are numbered unless they really get cracking on the M3 deliveries quickly.
I glanced at an Autocar front cover today and it had BMWs answer to Tesla model S fight is in or something along those lines.
All this means to me an ICE car driver is there will be more chalice used for EVs and new choice too which will pull IcE owners to buy EVs leaving more Dino juice for exquisite cars and the CO2 impact is like half a fart of a large cow herd so fk all to climate change.
Imagine a world where all mundane a to b cars are EV and the gifts go green on energy production in so doing it means the special petrol cars can keep going and going
All this means to me an ICE car driver is there will be more chalice used for EVs and new choice too which will pull IcE owners to buy EVs leaving more Dino juice for exquisite cars and the CO2 impact is like half a fart of a large cow herd so fk all to climate change.
Imagine a world where all mundane a to b cars are EV and the gifts go green on energy production in so doing it means the special petrol cars can keep going and going
Is it me? As I think Teslas look cheap. I know they are certainly not but if I was spending £100k plus on a car, I'd want it to look better than a cheap Chinese copy of something sporty.
Sorry but it's all a bit Emperors new clothes isn't it. No one dare speak out against Tesla but I think they look awful and badly built.
For £15k maybe but Porsche Turbo money, they can fek off. Rather have a Leaf.
Sorry but it's all a bit Emperors new clothes isn't it. No one dare speak out against Tesla but I think they look awful and badly built.
For £15k maybe but Porsche Turbo money, they can fek off. Rather have a Leaf.
croyde said:
Is it me? As I think Teslas look cheap. I know they are certainly not but if I was spending £100k plus on a car, I'd want it to look better than a cheap Chinese copy of something sporty.
Sorry but it's all a bit Emperors new clothes isn't it. No one dare speak out against Tesla but I think they look awful and badly built.
For £15k maybe but Porsche Turbo money, they can fek off. Rather have a Leaf.
The Model 3 is £30k (ish) and fwiw my Tesla is by far the best car I've ever owned, and I've had some nice cars in my time - including a Porsche turbo!Sorry but it's all a bit Emperors new clothes isn't it. No one dare speak out against Tesla but I think they look awful and badly built.
For £15k maybe but Porsche Turbo money, they can fek off. Rather have a Leaf.
Edited by audi321 on Monday 22 October 21:17
Unfortunately you can only buy the Kona Electric in the UK via their Click to Buy website and they've now taken it off the Click to Buy site.
Last time I looked UK waiting times were 40 weeks for the larger battery. Seems it's sold so well that they can build them quick enough. It's a very small car though, bit bigger than a Zoe and a fair bit smaller than a Leaf.
Last time I looked UK waiting times were 40 weeks for the larger battery. Seems it's sold so well that they can build them quick enough. It's a very small car though, bit bigger than a Zoe and a fair bit smaller than a Leaf.
Just can't be having these vast sums on an EV. Cast aside your average echo-loon and for most the appeal is the saving on petrol costs.
Anyone who can afford £60k plus on a car surely gives not one jot about fuel costs. If you do, buy a £45k car and have £15k of free fuel.
Things will change of course, but right here, right now, the smart money is surely on the used EV for around £8-9k as a second/short range car with the fuel cost savings effectively paying for the thing.
Anyone who can afford £60k plus on a car surely gives not one jot about fuel costs. If you do, buy a £45k car and have £15k of free fuel.
Things will change of course, but right here, right now, the smart money is surely on the used EV for around £8-9k as a second/short range car with the fuel cost savings effectively paying for the thing.
SCEtoAUX said:
Just can't be having these vast sums on an EV. Cast aside your average echo-loon and for most the appeal is the saving on petrol costs.
Anyone who can afford £60k plus on a car surely gives not one jot about fuel costs. If you do, buy a £45k car and have £15k of free fuel.
Things will change of course, but right here, right now, the smart money is surely on the used EV for around £8-9k as a second/short range car with the fuel cost savings effectively paying for the thing.
That's all well and good, but you're effectively ignoring the VED, BIK/Company Car Tax, repairs & maintenance, and all round driving experience.Anyone who can afford £60k plus on a car surely gives not one jot about fuel costs. If you do, buy a £45k car and have £15k of free fuel.
Things will change of course, but right here, right now, the smart money is surely on the used EV for around £8-9k as a second/short range car with the fuel cost savings effectively paying for the thing.
audi321 said:
Priced similarly to the Model 3 (if not cheaper when the M3 actually comes out). Well equipped with their version of autopilot and TACC without paying Tesla £5k for it!
What about comparing the Kona to the iPace? £30k versus £60k, one has a range of 300 miles and one 200 miles. Both have mobile eye powered Autopilot tech. Both 5 seaters. Both CCS. Igoring the badge you have to be nuts to buy the iPace.
Same for the up and coming £70k Audi and Merc EV. Why would you buy one over the Kona, up and coming 60kWh Leaf for half the price?
My old 24kWh Leaf, inlaws Zoe, are as nice to drive in town as our current Tesla. Unlike a 3 cylinder Fiesta versus 6 cylinder BMW, the EV drivetrain is a great leveller.
Sadly though people are badge snobs and my wife refuse to even walk into a Hyundai showroom let alone drive one instead of her current Lexus, and equally I rather keep our Tesla than swap it for a Hyundai.
The 'premium' brands are really going have to work hard to justify their higher prices, though VAG seems to have no problems selling people a Skoda fot Audi money by just changing the badge, so in reality its no different now.
I recon the most 'advanced' EV manfacture right now is Hyundai, price, range, tech, manfacture, when combined they are firmly number one, Tesla isnt far behind, and than there is a massive gap back to everyone else.....
Forget overpriced EVs from everyone else (Tesla/Jag/Audi/Merc) Hyundai is the brand to buy if you actually want a good car and not just the badge. Who would have thought even TopGear would be singing the praises of Hyundai been a market leader is anything let alone EVs a few years ago!!!
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/opinion-...
Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 23 October 06:54
SCEtoAUX said:
Just can't be having these vast sums on an EV. Cast aside your average echo-loon and for most the appeal is the saving on petrol costs.
Have you driven an EV?For most people, who aren't motoring enthusiasts, an EV is a much better prospect for driving experience. Smooth, silent and simple to drive. Especially if you're using it as a second car or for regular local driving (which is what the vast majority of people do).
cj2013 said:
SCEtoAUX said:
Just can't be having these vast sums on an EV. Cast aside your average echo-loon and for most the appeal is the saving on petrol costs.
Anyone who can afford £60k plus on a car surely gives not one jot about fuel costs. If you do, buy a £45k car and have £15k of free fuel.
Things will change of course, but right here, right now, the smart money is surely on the used EV for around £8-9k as a second/short range car with the fuel cost savings effectively paying for the thing.
That's all well and good, but you're effectively ignoring the VED, BIK/Company Car Tax, repairs & maintenance, and all round driving experience.Anyone who can afford £60k plus on a car surely gives not one jot about fuel costs. If you do, buy a £45k car and have £15k of free fuel.
Things will change of course, but right here, right now, the smart money is surely on the used EV for around £8-9k as a second/short range car with the fuel cost savings effectively paying for the thing.
As for the driving experience, surely that's quite subjective?
Rob's right. Real volume is needed to get costs down. Everything else will follow.
Welshbeef said:
I glanced at an Autocar front cover today and it had BMWs answer to Tesla model S fight is in or something along those lines.
All this means to me an ICE car driver is there will be more chalice used for EVs and new choice too which will pull IcE owners to buy EVs leaving more Dino juice for exquisite cars and the CO2 impact is like half a fart of a large cow herd so fk all to climate change.
Imagine a world where all mundane a to b cars are EV and the gifts go green on energy production in so doing it means the special petrol cars can keep going and going
In reality, what we are seeing is the cultural shift between the old and the young being played out in the car manufacturing marketing dept. All this means to me an ICE car driver is there will be more chalice used for EVs and new choice too which will pull IcE owners to buy EVs leaving more Dino juice for exquisite cars and the CO2 impact is like half a fart of a large cow herd so fk all to climate change.
Imagine a world where all mundane a to b cars are EV and the gifts go green on energy production in so doing it means the special petrol cars can keep going and going
Previously you sold 28m very boring, utility transport boxes around the world every year by building a few versions with big, loud engines that made normal consumers want to be associated with your brand over someone else’s. Today, this doesn’t work across the board. It doesn’t resonate with younger consumers. But the EV does.
The EV has become the new marketing departments model of choice for slapping the brand on the front cover of automotive wk mags.
It’ll be interesting how the evolution goes forward from here, what the dead ends are and what will become the new normal.
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