Help with new car
Discussion
All, I am completely new to the world of electric cars and or hybrid cars.
My situation is that I currently drive a 2012 4.4 RR Vogue thats now done 160,000 Miles and is becoming increasingly expensive to run now things are regularly going wrong.
In addition my mileage ( personal ) has gone up to around 30K per year, which alone is around £ 7800.00 in fuel
I love the car and the luxury and also if I am honest a bit of the snob factor.
So what should my shortlist of cars be to investigate possibilities for next ownership ?
Im a business owner so could also look at possibilities of a purchase through my business or the various options now available.
I guess thats something for my accountant to comment on.
I am a little concerned on my perceived range of all electric cars, sometimes I sometimes do a roundtrip of around 300 miles in the same day so do not overly foresee opportunities for charging on that trip.
Because of the mentioned snob factor I know I would not be comfortable at real entry level bland motoring so it needs to be something a little special but the budget is not endless.
Any comments / advise greatly appreciated !
My situation is that I currently drive a 2012 4.4 RR Vogue thats now done 160,000 Miles and is becoming increasingly expensive to run now things are regularly going wrong.
In addition my mileage ( personal ) has gone up to around 30K per year, which alone is around £ 7800.00 in fuel
I love the car and the luxury and also if I am honest a bit of the snob factor.
So what should my shortlist of cars be to investigate possibilities for next ownership ?
Im a business owner so could also look at possibilities of a purchase through my business or the various options now available.
I guess thats something for my accountant to comment on.
I am a little concerned on my perceived range of all electric cars, sometimes I sometimes do a roundtrip of around 300 miles in the same day so do not overly foresee opportunities for charging on that trip.
Because of the mentioned snob factor I know I would not be comfortable at real entry level bland motoring so it needs to be something a little special but the budget is not endless.
Any comments / advise greatly appreciated !
GallardoOwner said:
All, I am completely new to the world of electric cars and or hybrid cars.
My situation is that I currently drive a 2012 4.4 RR Vogue thats now done 160,000 Miles and is becoming increasingly expensive to run now things are regularly going wrong.
In addition my mileage ( personal ) has gone up to around 30K per year, which alone is around £ 7800.00 in fuel
I love the car and the luxury and also if I am honest a bit of the snob factor.
So what should my shortlist of cars be to investigate possibilities for next ownership ?
Im a business owner so could also look at possibilities of a purchase through my business or the various options now available.
I guess thats something for my accountant to comment on.
I am a little concerned on my perceived range of all electric cars, sometimes I sometimes do a roundtrip of around 300 miles in the same day so do not overly foresee opportunities for charging on that trip.
Because of the mentioned snob factor I know I would not be comfortable at real entry level bland motoring so it needs to be something a little special but the budget is not endless.
Any comments / advise greatly appreciated !
My starter for 10. The only fully electric car that'll get close to 300 miles is a Tesla S100D. Ball park £90k if new, could be tax efficient buying though the company. Your actual drive pattern would determine whether the Tesla Supercharger network would work for you. Massive saving on petrol cost to factor in. My situation is that I currently drive a 2012 4.4 RR Vogue thats now done 160,000 Miles and is becoming increasingly expensive to run now things are regularly going wrong.
In addition my mileage ( personal ) has gone up to around 30K per year, which alone is around £ 7800.00 in fuel
I love the car and the luxury and also if I am honest a bit of the snob factor.
So what should my shortlist of cars be to investigate possibilities for next ownership ?
Im a business owner so could also look at possibilities of a purchase through my business or the various options now available.
I guess thats something for my accountant to comment on.
I am a little concerned on my perceived range of all electric cars, sometimes I sometimes do a roundtrip of around 300 miles in the same day so do not overly foresee opportunities for charging on that trip.
Because of the mentioned snob factor I know I would not be comfortable at real entry level bland motoring so it needs to be something a little special but the budget is not endless.
Any comments / advise greatly appreciated !
Jag iPace would be second place but without a decent charging network (yet) could be problematic for the longer journeys.
Hybrid wise my only experience is Lexus and the RX450h would be worth a look, similar size to the RR. Superb build quality and years of hybrid experience.
Thanks Guys, just checking out the Tesla, Think I have to get used to the Tesla designs, They do not overly excite me ! I see the P100D 2.5 seconds to 6 which is crazy !
I kind of like teh X but getting at around 120 K I think is not an option.
Just done a build on the ipace and that comes out to around 90K but did look nice !
I kind of like teh X but getting at around 120 K I think is not an option.
Just done a build on the ipace and that comes out to around 90K but did look nice !
GallardoOwner said:
Thanks Guys, just checking out the Tesla, Think I have to get used to the Tesla designs, They do not overly excite me ! I see the P100D 2.5 seconds to 6 which is crazy !
I kind of like teh X but getting at around 120 K I think is not an option.
Just done a build on the ipace and that comes out to around 90K but did look nice !
The P100D is crazy fast and crazy expensive. Go and see them in the flesh, it's subjective of course but the for me the S is sleek and looks good. The X looks like an S on steroids. I am biased as I drive an S. The Tesla interior is minimalistic with the big 17" touchscreen and the build quality is not as good as some manufacturers.I kind of like teh X but getting at around 120 K I think is not an option.
Just done a build on the ipace and that comes out to around 90K but did look nice !
The Jag iPace is a conventional looking car, plenty of knobs and dials and well put together. The lack of anything resembling a decent high speed charging network makes this a very difficult choice if you are a long distance driver - i.e. more than 150 miles. Cost wise by the time you've spec'd it properly it's be the same as the Tesla S.
Have a test drive of either and you'll understand why converts rave about EV's. Yes, there's no rumble or grumble but it's instant torque and you'll barely touch the brake pedal as easing off the throttle triggers the regenerative braking - think of ICE engine braking with knobs on.
GallardoOwner said:
Do Tesla not have their own showrooms ?
Nearest address I can find to me is Cambridge and it calls it a store and location seems to be a shopping centre ?
The have "showrooms" in shopping centres and you have a test drive from there. Grand Arcade in Cambridge seems to be the one you are referring to. I did my first one from Westfield. There will be a car of two inside the showroom and probably a couple more in the shopping centre car park. Nearest address I can find to me is Cambridge and it calls it a store and location seems to be a shopping centre ?
On 30k mikes a year and coming from what you are, either a Tesla or a hybrid SUV. The hybrids aren’t really anything special on long drives as the battery will run out and are try8ng to be all things to all people.
Full EV, there is the Jag, but you’ll regret it if you do 200 miles in a day regularily as you’ll be at the mercy of public chargers. They’re far from impossible but if you to use them daily you might get frustrated.
That pretty much leaves Tesla. The MS has loads of space and unless you want to carry more than 5 people or prefer the high up driving position, would be fine.
I’d be looking at the 100D, that will easily give you 250 miles without issue, and the superchargers on most main routes are much more reliable than general public chargers. And if you can charge at home, you’ll looking at 4-5p a mile electricity costs, probably 1/5 of your RR.
Company car is an option but BIK is pretty steep, 13% this year, 16% next, and the list price is very high making it quite expensive, although the year after it drops to 5%.
I’d look to buy a nearly new/used 100D that still ha# the unlimited free super charging, and I’d also be tempted to find an early 2017 one that also has zero VED. A slug of depreciation will have gone and given your mikeage, the Tesla warranty would be shot in 18 months as it has a 50k mileage cap (note, the battery and drivetrain is unlimited mileage is 8 years so either way you buy gives you plenty. Only real benefit of buying new is the finance deals.
If you still own it in 2020 when BIK drops to 5% I’d put it into the company and then any servicing fees etc out of warranty will be tax deductible
They als9 have both retail locations and service centres, they’re just not everywhere due to the volume of cars they sell, and they also have rangers who can come t9 you for certa8n warranty issues, but it’s not without it’s problems.
Check out http://tesla-info.com for more buyers advice, charging, issues etc plus all the cars for sale including Teslas own new and demo stock.
Full EV, there is the Jag, but you’ll regret it if you do 200 miles in a day regularily as you’ll be at the mercy of public chargers. They’re far from impossible but if you to use them daily you might get frustrated.
That pretty much leaves Tesla. The MS has loads of space and unless you want to carry more than 5 people or prefer the high up driving position, would be fine.
I’d be looking at the 100D, that will easily give you 250 miles without issue, and the superchargers on most main routes are much more reliable than general public chargers. And if you can charge at home, you’ll looking at 4-5p a mile electricity costs, probably 1/5 of your RR.
Company car is an option but BIK is pretty steep, 13% this year, 16% next, and the list price is very high making it quite expensive, although the year after it drops to 5%.
I’d look to buy a nearly new/used 100D that still ha# the unlimited free super charging, and I’d also be tempted to find an early 2017 one that also has zero VED. A slug of depreciation will have gone and given your mikeage, the Tesla warranty would be shot in 18 months as it has a 50k mileage cap (note, the battery and drivetrain is unlimited mileage is 8 years so either way you buy gives you plenty. Only real benefit of buying new is the finance deals.
If you still own it in 2020 when BIK drops to 5% I’d put it into the company and then any servicing fees etc out of warranty will be tax deductible
They als9 have both retail locations and service centres, they’re just not everywhere due to the volume of cars they sell, and they also have rangers who can come t9 you for certa8n warranty issues, but it’s not without it’s problems.
Check out http://tesla-info.com for more buyers advice, charging, issues etc plus all the cars for sale including Teslas own new and demo stock.
I can’t comment on the tax but you can buy a nearly new FF Range Rover for best part of 70k. If the Tesla costs tens of thousands more I’d stick with the RR as even at 30k per annum, it would take years for the Tesla to pay back and it isn’t anywhere near as nice. Assuming you charge at home you would save several thousand a year versus the diesel but if you have to sink an extra 20-30k up front I would take the RR.
I think the i8 looks amazing, I didnt think the range was very good though ?
Probably also has a very high new buy price, well in excess of 100K which I believe its the new figure that a car is taxed on
Probably also has a very high new buy price, well in excess of 100K which I believe its the new figure that a car is taxed on
Inverness said:
OP you don't say if you need something as big as the RR, so if you don't I would also throw in the BMW i8. Most people forget it can infact seat 4 people, and IMO reperesents good value for money 2nd hand.
The 2% (my mistake earlier on, but even better than the 5%) is on all EVs. The government is changing salary sacrifice benefits (so anywhere taking the car is optional and you can take the cash instead) is taxed at the cost of the benefit and not on a fixed rate % rendering it cost neutral, however that doesn’t apply to full electric and the 2% will be used. You’d need to check if it applied to hybrids under 50co2 like the i8. I’m not aware of any 100k threshold on price.
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