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Don't know how this one passed me by had no idea this was going to be coming so soon.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/4/17818836/mercede...
Doesn't look like it will be giving Tesla sleepless nights just yet. Looks a bit like they rushed it out with those range figures.
Other than that though I think it looks a very nice place to sit if you don't need the range.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/4/17818836/mercede...
Doesn't look like it will be giving Tesla sleepless nights just yet. Looks a bit like they rushed it out with those range figures.
Other than that though I think it looks a very nice place to sit if you don't need the range.
I think it was a tactical error to limit the battery capacity to just 80 kwh. Even with exactly the same efficiency at their rivals, the range is going to be circa 15-20% less. Sure, a range of a bit over 200 miles is ok, but at the price point I believe they are aiming at, it won't be good enough.
And by the time this car actually gets on the road, there will be several, much cheaper options which have at least 64kwh battery packs. And due to their smaller size and lower weight they will also have ranges over 200 miles. So the Merc EQC is going to look comparatively poor.
And by the time this car actually gets on the road, there will be several, much cheaper options which have at least 64kwh battery packs. And due to their smaller size and lower weight they will also have ranges over 200 miles. So the Merc EQC is going to look comparatively poor.
EddieSteadyGo said:
I think it was a tactical error to limit the battery capacity to just 80 kwh. Even with exactly the same efficiency at their rivals, the range is going to be circa 15-20% less. Sure, a range of a bit over 200 miles is ok, but at the price point I believe they are aiming at, it won't be good enough.
And by the time this car actually gets on the road, there will be several, much cheaper options which have at least 64kwh battery packs. And due to their smaller size and lower weight they will also have ranges over 200 miles. So the Merc EQC is going to look comparatively poor.
I believe we're a year off anyone actually getting their car too, so as you say, by that point I suspect it will be thoroughly outclassed, unless they're holding back on some additional higher capacity variants.And by the time this car actually gets on the road, there will be several, much cheaper options which have at least 64kwh battery packs. And due to their smaller size and lower weight they will also have ranges over 200 miles. So the Merc EQC is going to look comparatively poor.
I feel like the I Pace and e-Tron have the market largely sewn up for the 'non Tesla' mid to long range EV market, and surely only the most loyal Merc customers will buy this. A bit of a missed opportunity to not utilise the options available to maximise interior space by just sticking with an adapted ICE platform. This feels more like an expensive e Golf than a proper Tesla rival.
Fasterthanyou2 said:
I’m toying with electric but don’t want to jump the gun. I think they still have a long way to go.
If you are used to your Bentley as an everyday car I wouldn't do it yet. Also depends how much long distance driving you do and if you like the journey not just the destination.A model S 100d I think is the tipping point of being good enough for pretty much everyone. I actually sat down to buy one to replace my 90d but at 100k I just couldn't do it the rest of the car just isn't good enough to warrant the money not to me any way.
So I'm going back to ice but will be watching EVs with interest with an eye on trying again. The Porsche Taycan really interests me but I don't want to be the guinea pig driving around while they build the network required. Will probably wait let them build the network and fix any bugs or early production issues.
Fasterthanyou2 said:
I’m toying with electric but don’t want to jump the gun. I think they still have a long way to go.
This is wise. The market is going to change enormously in the next two years. There will be loads of competition. The battery tech and charging infrastructure will be vastly better. 2020/2021 will be the time to take the plunge.Witchfinder said:
This is wise. The market is going to change enormously in the next two years. There will be loads of competition. The battery tech and charging infrastructure will be vastly better. 2020/2021 will be the time to take the plunge.
I think Jaguar probably also agree with your sentiment as they are now offering discounted lease deals on the i-pace.I wasn't particularly interested in an i-pace. I liked the performance, but I wouldn't want to spend proper money on one, for the reasons you've said.
However, they are offering an 18 month lease deal which actually I do think is interesting/competitive. The cost averages to just over £400 / month for 5,000 miles per annum. Excess mileage cost is £0.29/mile.
Whilst the broker offers higher mileage options, these work out to be around £0.40/mile. I've double checked with the broker and you can just order the "base" 5,000 mile per annum option and pay for any extra mileage you use at the excess mileage rate of £0.29/mile.
https://www.fleetprices.co.uk/personal-lease-cars/...
So for what I plan to use the car for, I think it will end up costing me around £460 / month. When you consider it is a decent sized car with 0-60 mph performance in 4.5s, I think that is a decent offer.
Delivery is estimated for Feb next year. So you keep the car for 18 months and you will then ready to get a new car at the end of 2020 when there will be many more options.
So, using this logic, I've decided to order one
EddieSteadyGo said:
So for what I plan to use the car for, I think it will end up costing me around £460 / month. When you consider it is a decent sized car with 0-60 mph performance in 4.5s, I think that is a decent offer.
Is that the monthly amount averaged out over the full term if you include the deposit?Witchfinder said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
So for what I plan to use the car for, I think it will end up costing me around £460 / month. When you consider it is a decent sized car with 0-60 mph performance in 4.5s, I think that is a decent offer.
Is that the monthly amount averaged out over the full term if you include the deposit?Witchfinder said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Yes.
Not bad at all, especially if that's excluding what you'll save on fuel. I was about to pull the trigger on a Santander V90, but this looks a lot more tempting.From what I've seen, the V90 deals are particularly good. But in my opinion, the new tech in the i-pace, together with the higher performance means it is a more interesting car and is probably worth the extra.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/22/mercedes-benz-delay...
Daimler has always been guiding deliveries of the EQC in 2019, but deliveries have been expectedly sooner since the automaker unveiled the production vehicles in late 2018.
Now, it sounds like only a model year 2020 will be delivered this year.
German magazine Handelsblatt reports that Mercedes-Benz plans to deliver the EQC electric SUV to some “VIP customers” as soon as June, but that actually meaningful delivery volumes may not start before November.
Daimler has always been guiding deliveries of the EQC in 2019, but deliveries have been expectedly sooner since the automaker unveiled the production vehicles in late 2018.
Now, it sounds like only a model year 2020 will be delivered this year.
German magazine Handelsblatt reports that Mercedes-Benz plans to deliver the EQC electric SUV to some “VIP customers” as soon as June, but that actually meaningful delivery volumes may not start before November.
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