Is it time to cancel the model 3 order?
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I'm hanging on to my reservation. Musk may be an eccentric, and genius borders on madness, but he shows personal development as well.
Expectations are the mother of all disappointments, so I don't expect mine before the end of next year. My current hybrid Lexus is only just coming up to 100,000 kms and I'm sure it's good for at least triple that. I'd love to have one now, but I'm not desperate for a Model 3. I'll have it when it's available.
Expectations are the mother of all disappointments, so I don't expect mine before the end of next year. My current hybrid Lexus is only just coming up to 100,000 kms and I'm sure it's good for at least triple that. I'd love to have one now, but I'm not desperate for a Model 3. I'll have it when it's available.
There's absolutely no need to keep your reservation, in the US the waiting time for new orders is a couple of months - so even if you decided you did want to buy one, its not as if you'll be at the back of a year long queue waiting without a reservation. Meanwhile, you're reservation fee is a free unsecured loan to tesla.
That's not to say the M3 is a bad car, and the wait for delivery is no different to that expected (it was always going to be a long wait), its just the shine is wearing off the company a little, in part due to increasing familaisation and in part because of the seemingly never ending stream of news with a bias towards the negative.
That's not to say the M3 is a bad car, and the wait for delivery is no different to that expected (it was always going to be a long wait), its just the shine is wearing off the company a little, in part due to increasing familaisation and in part because of the seemingly never ending stream of news with a bias towards the negative.
Heres Johnny said:
There's absolutely no need to keep your reservation, in the US the waiting time for new orders is a couple of months - so even if you decided you did want to buy one, its not as if you'll be at the back of a year long queue waiting without a reservation. Meanwhile, you're reservation fee is a free unsecured loan to tesla.
That's not to say the M3 is a bad car, and the wait for delivery is no different to that expected (it was always going to be a long wait), its just the shine is wearing off the company a little, in part due to increasing familaisation and in part because of the seemingly never ending stream of news with a bias towards the negative.
It's only a few months if you want a high spec model. That's not to say the M3 is a bad car, and the wait for delivery is no different to that expected (it was always going to be a long wait), its just the shine is wearing off the company a little, in part due to increasing familaisation and in part because of the seemingly never ending stream of news with a bias towards the negative.
I guess it's down to what you're planning to get. If you're willing to stump up the extra for the premium stuff, long range battery, etc (so it becomes a £45k+ car) then you're likely to get that late next year in the UK. It's still a lot cheaper than a Model S, you get access to the same supercharger network (one of the biggest Tesla plus points in the UK, IMO), and it should be a decent longer-range car. Yes, other manufacturers will be catching up in the meantime but it should still be very competitive.
If you're after the base model ($35k, so probably at least that in £) you'll be waiting a lot longer, and there are plenty of good alternatives out or coming soon in that space.
As said, the reservation pool isn't close to emptying, as you might infer from the opening of ordering to non reservation holders in the US & Canada. There are an awful lot of people who don't want an expensive one and have deferred their reservation until the cheap one comes along. Tesla need the higher margin higher spec ones out of the door first.
If you're after the base model ($35k, so probably at least that in £) you'll be waiting a lot longer, and there are plenty of good alternatives out or coming soon in that space.
As said, the reservation pool isn't close to emptying, as you might infer from the opening of ordering to non reservation holders in the US & Canada. There are an awful lot of people who don't want an expensive one and have deferred their reservation until the cheap one comes along. Tesla need the higher margin higher spec ones out of the door first.
...exactly, which doesn't include the standard battery one. The "$35k Tesla" that grabbed all the headlines and got a lot of people excited can't be bought yet, which is why there's so many unfilled reservations - lots of people are waiting.
The cheapest Model 3 you can buy right now is $50k inc delivery (solid black, basic wheels, premium interior, long range battery), then sales tax on top (about $5200 in California), but you do get $7500 back as tax credit. They weasel in "gas savings" to confuse people further - you'll be needing to stump up over $55k to get in one, then the tax credit (while it lasts) will bring your overall cost down to $47700.
The cheapest Model 3 you can buy right now is $50k inc delivery (solid black, basic wheels, premium interior, long range battery), then sales tax on top (about $5200 in California), but you do get $7500 back as tax credit. They weasel in "gas savings" to confuse people further - you'll be needing to stump up over $55k to get in one, then the tax credit (while it lasts) will bring your overall cost down to $47700.
sjg said:
...exactly, which doesn't include the standard battery one. The "$35k Tesla" that grabbed all the headlines and got a lot of people excited can't be bought yet, which is why there's so many unfilled reservations - lots of people are waiting.
The cheapest Model 3 you can buy right now is $50k inc delivery (solid black, basic wheels, premium interior, long range battery), then sales tax on top (about $5200 in California), but you do get $7500 back as tax credit. They weasel in "gas savings" to confuse people further - you'll be needing to stump up over $55k to get in one, then the tax credit (while it lasts) will bring your overall cost down to $47700.
Pretty stupid really - people holding out for a 35k which by the time it arrives won’t get the tax credit rather than buy a 49k car that does. The sales tax etc is common on both. So for a net 7k more for a better car and people aren’t buying . The cheapest Model 3 you can buy right now is $50k inc delivery (solid black, basic wheels, premium interior, long range battery), then sales tax on top (about $5200 in California), but you do get $7500 back as tax credit. They weasel in "gas savings" to confuse people further - you'll be needing to stump up over $55k to get in one, then the tax credit (while it lasts) will bring your overall cost down to $47700.
Either way - you’re suggesting the reservation is only worth it if you’re after the cheapest model which will be the last to market.
With the likes of the Hyundai Kona Electric on the horizon (in showrooms next month) with a 300 mile range and £30k price, it's getting to the stage that the 'mainstream' manufacturers are quickly catching up. Granted the Small SUV Kona isn't a patch on the Model 3 for size or equipment, but it's definitely closing the gap
I'm hanging in for now but 95% going to cancel.
I reserved on 1st April 2016 at 09:30 in my local store. However I got fed up with my Audi S3 in February 2018 after 3 years, so purchased a pre-reg BMW 440i with loads of extras, which I am loving.
I'm going to wait for now until UK pricing is revealed, the more it is delayed the more likely I would be to change, as I would ideally want to keep the 440i for 2-3 years minimum before changing. Then again, the longer I wait, there may be other viable EV options available.
Plus the 440i has everything I want including HUD, special paint, white exclusive leather, no chrome, decent stereo, nav, adaptive LEDs etc etc as well as the lovely engine, so I would at least need to buy the LR Model 3 with paint, premium and 19's, then get it de-chromed, and ideally I would like the AWD too but probably will be too expensive.
I reserved on 1st April 2016 at 09:30 in my local store. However I got fed up with my Audi S3 in February 2018 after 3 years, so purchased a pre-reg BMW 440i with loads of extras, which I am loving.
I'm going to wait for now until UK pricing is revealed, the more it is delayed the more likely I would be to change, as I would ideally want to keep the 440i for 2-3 years minimum before changing. Then again, the longer I wait, there may be other viable EV options available.
Plus the 440i has everything I want including HUD, special paint, white exclusive leather, no chrome, decent stereo, nav, adaptive LEDs etc etc as well as the lovely engine, so I would at least need to buy the LR Model 3 with paint, premium and 19's, then get it de-chromed, and ideally I would like the AWD too but probably will be too expensive.
feef said:
With the likes of the Hyundai Kona Electric on the horizon (in showrooms next month) with a 300 mile range and £30k price, it's getting to the stage that the 'mainstream' manufacturers are quickly catching up.
Like who??The first 5 posts in this 'EV and Alternative Fuels' section of this forum is all about Tesla.
I've been properly following EV development since I got my Leaf in 2015 and have learnt most EV 'announcements' from XYZ are nothing more than that - words. As we all know the internet is full of people who talk lots, but in the real world its about delivery.
The Kona is a great EV, in the same way a Qashqai is a great car - but does anyone here strive to own a Qashqai. I would be amazed if you can get £1 discount on a Kona, and as good as the Kona might be for efficiency/range as an EV am not sure many people will stup up £30K for a small Hyundai.
The iPace is the closest thing to been a 'rival' but at £60K+, still no customer roadtests (let alone deliveries), and early suggestion it might end up with less range at M-ways speeds than a Kona EV, it's hardly the EV to trigger 'mass adoption' is it?
We'll wait and see what VAG comes up with over the next 12 months, their PR machine have been going full throttle about EVs, but we all know how good VAG is telling the world the truth behind their cooperate strategy
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