How efficient is your hybrid?
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So you have your weekend/track day special. Now to your everyday car. I still feel diesel offers something for long distance driving, however, big mpg is being quoted BMW 5-Series e cars (146 mpg) the Chinese monument driving Range Rover (101 mpg) i8, Mitsubishi phev etc etc all quoting massive numbers.
For those who have a hybrid, PHEV etc- what mpg are you actually getting?
For those who have a hybrid, PHEV etc- what mpg are you actually getting?
I think the reality is substantially lower. Hence why makers are suspending or ceasing production of specific hybrid models that fail to deliver on wltp or rde. Which is a lot of them.
The reality still stands for those doing suitable miles there is still no real replacement for a decent diesel.
Idiots are also jumping on the bandwagon and failing to notice that the only reason many modern petrols have decent mpg is because they utilise similar technology of direct injection that results in particulate emissions
Furthermore, a number of these still do not have gpf's. Granted there are signs of response from manufacturers now, but there has been a number of years of these engines without any filtering.
Additionally many publications are failing to give a balanced view of the emissions issue from any fuel source.
The reality still stands for those doing suitable miles there is still no real replacement for a decent diesel.
Idiots are also jumping on the bandwagon and failing to notice that the only reason many modern petrols have decent mpg is because they utilise similar technology of direct injection that results in particulate emissions
Furthermore, a number of these still do not have gpf's. Granted there are signs of response from manufacturers now, but there has been a number of years of these engines without any filtering.
Additionally many publications are failing to give a balanced view of the emissions issue from any fuel source.
Ninja59 said:
I think the reality is substantially lower. Hence why makers are suspending or ceasing production of specific hybrid models that fail to deliver on wltp or rde. Which is a lot of them.
The reality still stands for those doing suitable miles there is still no real replacement for a decent diesel.
Idiots are also jumping on the bandwagon and failing to notice that the only reason many modern petrols have decent mpg is because they utilise similar technology of direct injection that results in particulate emissions
Furthermore, a number of these still do not have gpf's. Granted there are signs of response from manufacturers now, but there has been a number of years of these engines without any filtering.
Additionally many publications are failing to give a balanced view of the emissions issue from any fuel source.
Particulate and NOx emissions from unfiltered GDI are *much* lower than from unfiltered diesel.The reality still stands for those doing suitable miles there is still no real replacement for a decent diesel.
Idiots are also jumping on the bandwagon and failing to notice that the only reason many modern petrols have decent mpg is because they utilise similar technology of direct injection that results in particulate emissions
Furthermore, a number of these still do not have gpf's. Granted there are signs of response from manufacturers now, but there has been a number of years of these engines without any filtering.
Additionally many publications are failing to give a balanced view of the emissions issue from any fuel source.
MX5 in the garage, Vauxhall Ampera on the driveway
Battery covers my 35 mile commute to work for 9 months of the year, use about .2 of a gallon in winter. Charge in work and drive home on Electric (it's down hill) for 35 miles. In that use, 200MPG?
However, I have an Ampera because work frequently sees me drive from South Wales to Bedfordshire, sometimes a 380 mile round day trip. Then the computer shows about 50MPG depending on route and driving haste.
On top of that I will use petrol doing my social runs around South Wales, but locally (shops, local friends) is done on EV.
In my ownership the car has done 90MPG indicated. Given I get 45p/mile from business mileage I'm pretty happy with that. I've done about 5000 business miles this year.
I also tend to hold my EV range for urban or polluted areas. So if going further afield I'll certainly do the outbound journey on the M4 on petrol.
Battery covers my 35 mile commute to work for 9 months of the year, use about .2 of a gallon in winter. Charge in work and drive home on Electric (it's down hill) for 35 miles. In that use, 200MPG?
However, I have an Ampera because work frequently sees me drive from South Wales to Bedfordshire, sometimes a 380 mile round day trip. Then the computer shows about 50MPG depending on route and driving haste.
On top of that I will use petrol doing my social runs around South Wales, but locally (shops, local friends) is done on EV.
In my ownership the car has done 90MPG indicated. Given I get 45p/mile from business mileage I'm pretty happy with that. I've done about 5000 business miles this year.
I also tend to hold my EV range for urban or polluted areas. So if going further afield I'll certainly do the outbound journey on the M4 on petrol.
My PHEV outlander was marketed with something like 145mpg, because that is what it achieved on the official tests.
In reality it would do somewhere between infinite mpg to 30mpg.
Infinite mpg if I just used it for my daily commute and other journeys within the 25-30 mile electric range. As low as 30mpg if I used it on long journeys at high speed with four people and lots of luggage.
In reality it would do somewhere between infinite mpg to 30mpg.
Infinite mpg if I just used it for my daily commute and other journeys within the 25-30 mile electric range. As low as 30mpg if I used it on long journeys at high speed with four people and lots of luggage.
Yaris and Auris hybrids are officially supposed to do 70-80mpg.
Real world I was getting 50mpg winter, 55mpg summer in the Yaris.
The Auris does 5mpg less averaging 45mpg.
BUT, the worse the traffic the better your mpg in a hybrid as they are most efficient in jams and somewhat inefficient on the open road. The opposite of a normal car.
A big traffic jam could add 10mpg to the averages I get.
Real world I was getting 50mpg winter, 55mpg summer in the Yaris.
The Auris does 5mpg less averaging 45mpg.
BUT, the worse the traffic the better your mpg in a hybrid as they are most efficient in jams and somewhat inefficient on the open road. The opposite of a normal car.
A big traffic jam could add 10mpg to the averages I get.
jkh112 said:
My PHEV outlander was marketed with something like 145mpg, because that is what it achieved on the official tests.
In reality it would do somewhere between infinite mpg to 30mpg.
Infinite mpg if I just used it for my daily commute and other journeys within the 25-30 mile electric range. As low as 30mpg if I used it on long journeys at high speed with four people and lots of luggage.
This really. Picked up an outlander PHEV 15th Jan.In reality it would do somewhere between infinite mpg to 30mpg.
Infinite mpg if I just used it for my daily commute and other journeys within the 25-30 mile electric range. As low as 30mpg if I used it on long journeys at high speed with four people and lots of luggage.
My commute is basically its battery range so I use almost nothing day to day, I do usually use some fuel on the hill going back home but its basically immeasurable. 1300kms on my current tank (filled up when I bought it..) 1/3rd fuel left in the tank but this includes a ~200km off road weekend trip. on a normal commute Id expect to get 2000-3000kms to a 'tank'
I'd expect to get around 7-8L per 100km running pure petrol on long 100km/hr cruises
DamnKraut said:
Whataguy said:
The Auris does 5mpg less averaging 45mpg.
Admittedly that is pretty poor considering you do not even save big time on petrol in exchange for having to drive such a thing.The Honda would only get 30mpg on the same roads so 45-50mpg is a vast improvement.
The performance is probably a bit better in the Auris and you don't have to be in VTEC to get it.
With hybrids, due to the way they deliver the power they may feel slower but actually aren't. It is just that they have a constant acceleration rather than a surge that tails off.
Running in 'sport' mode all the time helps, the petrol engine stays on longer and the electric motor gives you instant response.
Although, while the brand new Yaris looks ok... the current Auris is indeed somewhat ugly on the outside!
Edited by Whataguy on Wednesday 21st February 06:14
The worst I've ever had from the Auris over the course of a tankful is 48mpg.
That was during the last cold snap where it spent 5 mins each morning idling while I de-iced it, and did quite a lot of short (~6 mile) journeys on NSL roads - not conducive to efficiency with a cold engine.
Normally, in winter it'll average around 52 and summer around 57mpg, which I reckon is pretty impressive for a petrol fuelled estate car.
That was during the last cold snap where it spent 5 mins each morning idling while I de-iced it, and did quite a lot of short (~6 mile) journeys on NSL roads - not conducive to efficiency with a cold engine.
Normally, in winter it'll average around 52 and summer around 57mpg, which I reckon is pretty impressive for a petrol fuelled estate car.
After 9000 miles in my 530e, I am getting overall average of 78 mpg.
This is the normal weekly commute to work (19 miles one way) and back. Then weekends could be locally (mainly pure electric) and the occasional blasts up and down the country (events, friends, family) This is where the ICE motor gets used most often.
I do plug in at home, work and out in public too where I can. The Polar Plus card has worked quite well for me.
This is the normal weekly commute to work (19 miles one way) and back. Then weekends could be locally (mainly pure electric) and the occasional blasts up and down the country (events, friends, family) This is where the ICE motor gets used most often.
I do plug in at home, work and out in public too where I can. The Polar Plus card has worked quite well for me.
Edited by jukkha156 on Wednesday 21st February 08:18
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