The fully electric Golf GTI
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it wouldn't be called that as there is no 'i' ... it'll simply be the next gen GTE I think
hot hatches don't really translate to electric in my opinion - its much more suited to around town and long distance (although current range limitations are prevalent at the moment clearly) - spirited twisties, in a relatively soulless silence - no thanks
hot hatches don't really translate to electric in my opinion - its much more suited to around town and long distance (although current range limitations are prevalent at the moment clearly) - spirited twisties, in a relatively soulless silence - no thanks
alorotom said:
it wouldn't be called that as there is no 'i' ... it'll simply be the next gen GTE I think
hot hatches don't really translate to electric in my opinion - its much more suited to around town and long distance (although current range limitations are prevalent at the moment clearly) - spirited twisties, in a relatively soulless silence - no thanks
I'm always listening to suitable music if I'm driving like that! All that torque on electrics is really addictive though, try one if you have not.hot hatches don't really translate to electric in my opinion - its much more suited to around town and long distance (although current range limitations are prevalent at the moment clearly) - spirited twisties, in a relatively soulless silence - no thanks
Not mk8 at least IMO. VW are really touchy about preserving the GTI badge and so far it MUST be 2WD, petrol, and a hatchback. They even seem to be sandbagging the official GTE power numbers to avoid them being higher than the current GTI.
A performance-orientated full EV - maybe, without the GTI badging. I think the last petrol-powered Golf to roll out of the factory will be a GTI.
A performance-orientated full EV - maybe, without the GTI badging. I think the last petrol-powered Golf to roll out of the factory will be a GTI.
Edited by sjg on Monday 5th February 16:20
alorotom said:
it wouldn't be called that as there is no 'i' ... it'll simply be the next gen GTE I think
hot hatches don't really translate to electric in my opinion - its much more suited to around town and long distance (although current range limitations are prevalent at the moment clearly) - spirited twisties, in a relatively soulless silence - no thanks
Don't forget the all important little 'i' they take onto anything electronic these days, so it'll be iGT, or GTihot hatches don't really translate to electric in my opinion - its much more suited to around town and long distance (although current range limitations are prevalent at the moment clearly) - spirited twisties, in a relatively soulless silence - no thanks
To achieve the same range and energy output of one full tank of fuel a petrol powered GTi has 370 mile range and 150ish mph, an all electric version would weigh at least half to two thirds of a tonne more just on the weight of the batteries required.
Handling would therefore be compromised but the 0-60 would be very very quickin a straight line.
If batteries are installed that only weigh as much as a tank of fuel, handling would not be compromised, but range would be around 57 miles, but it would be quick.
Handling would therefore be compromised but the 0-60 would be very very quickin a straight line.
If batteries are installed that only weigh as much as a tank of fuel, handling would not be compromised, but range would be around 57 miles, but it would be quick.
The batteries don't need to be the same weight as a tank of fuel, they need to be the same weight as a tank of fuel, a gearbox, and an engine and all its ancillaries minus the relatively small weight of the electric motors and inverter. So to keep the weight the same as the petrol version, they probably have around 150-200kg to play with for the batteries. Which still isn't enough, admittedly.
The only way EVs are going to get down to the weight of ICE powered cars of similar practicality is if they're built on dedicated platforms which aren't compromised by having to be able to hold an internal combustion engine and all the rubbish that goes with it. And even that's pushing it.
The 40kwh Leaf is about 150kg heavier than the Golf GTi. Obviously it's a fair chunk less powerful, so not really a direct comparison.
The only way EVs are going to get down to the weight of ICE powered cars of similar practicality is if they're built on dedicated platforms which aren't compromised by having to be able to hold an internal combustion engine and all the rubbish that goes with it. And even that's pushing it.
The 40kwh Leaf is about 150kg heavier than the Golf GTi. Obviously it's a fair chunk less powerful, so not really a direct comparison.
Edited by kambites on Monday 5th February 17:01
kambites said:
The batteries don't need to be the same weight as a tank of fuel, they need to be the same weight as a tank of fuel, a gearbox, and an engine and all its ancillaries minus the relatively small weight of the electric motors and inventor. So to keep the weight the same as the petrol version, they probably have around 150-200kg to play with for the batteries. Which still isn't enough, admittedly.
The only way EVs are going to get down to the weight of ICE powered cars of similar practicality is if they're built on dedicated platforms which aren't compromised by having to be able to hold an internal combustion engine and all the rubbish that goes with it. And even that's pushing it.
Would that be Doc Brown?The only way EVs are going to get down to the weight of ICE powered cars of similar practicality is if they're built on dedicated platforms which aren't compromised by having to be able to hold an internal combustion engine and all the rubbish that goes with it. And even that's pushing it.
The electric Golf is called the "e-Golf".
Oops! Bloody auto-correct. alorotom said:
hot hatches don't really translate to electric in my opinion - its much more suited to around town and long distance (although current range limitations are prevalent at the moment clearly) - spirited twisties, in a relatively soulless silence - no thanks
Yupp, that's definitely my view too and i have said this before on another thread on here.That's probably my main gripe with electric cars, once they're all electric, it'll all just be exactly the same. Some will just be a bit faster than others and will come in various body shells.
All cars will make next to no noise and all that low-down torque will probably wear off eventually and just become the norm. I think hot-hatches, especially, will kinda seize to exist.
culpz said:
That's probably my main gripe with electric cars, once they're all electric, it'll all just be exactly the same. Some will just be a bit faster than others and will come in various body shells.
So would you say that except for noise, all internal combustion cars as exactly the same except some are a big faster than others and they come with various body shells? Does handling, ride, control feel, interior design, etc. mean nothing to you? I don't want an electric sports car (although I'd take electric over turbo ICE) but I'd love an electric hot hatch as and when such a thing is viable.
kambites said:
The 40kwh Leaf is about 150kg heavier than the Golf GTi. Obviously it's a fair chunk less powerful, so not really a direct comparison.
Be interesting to see the reveal of the Leaf sport (Nismo) later this year, 60k battery pack and 0-60 under 6 seconds apparently. Should be good for (real world) 220miles range. Nissan will claim silly range though, like 300miles.... Edited by kambites on Monday 5th February 16:59
Pretty sure the Golf could do similar.
jjwilde said:
Be interesting to see the reveal of the Leaf sport (Nismo) later this year, 60k battery pack and 0-60 under 6 seconds apparently. Should be good for 220miles range.
The 40kwh one is quoted as 220 mile. The 60kwh one should easily be 300+. Does anyone know whether new EVs in Europe are being quoted using NEDC or WLTP figures? One has to imagine they're still NEDC because the ranges Nissan are quoting for the Leaf 2 seem to high for its battery capacity otherwise.
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