BMWe's Stopping Production
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I've been looking for a below 50g/km car for a while and went to look at a 530e at the weekend.
The salesman told me they were ending production shortly on both the 330e and the 530e due to the Government moving to using WLTP rather than NEDC and neither car is low emissions on the new test (530d and 540i are apparently likely to be better, test data hasn't been published yet). Said there probably isn't much point ordering as unlikely to get built before they stop.
BMW are planning to wait for the i5 as a replacement rather than more "e's" around 2019/20. Anyone else heard this or similar?
I've been looking at an E350e, XC60 T8 Twin and the 530e, I assume all of these will suffer the same problem shortly.
The salesman told me they were ending production shortly on both the 330e and the 530e due to the Government moving to using WLTP rather than NEDC and neither car is low emissions on the new test (530d and 540i are apparently likely to be better, test data hasn't been published yet). Said there probably isn't much point ordering as unlikely to get built before they stop.
BMW are planning to wait for the i5 as a replacement rather than more "e's" around 2019/20. Anyone else heard this or similar?
I've been looking at an E350e, XC60 T8 Twin and the 530e, I assume all of these will suffer the same problem shortly.
hantsxlg said:
Any references for this or is it fake news? Current bik rules heavily leant towards sub 50g cars for next two years and 530e has 6 month wait list so stopping production does seem an odd thing to do
I was told this by a Volvo dealer about 4 weeks ago when I enquired about the XC90 T8.It makes perfect sense to stop production if the current car won't get accredited below the <50g/km threshold using the new tests.
The Volvo dealer was explaining the new tests were going to take account of the options on the car - so a car may only get the 50g limit if it didn't have a particularly option fitted etc.
As was mentioned earlier in the the thread, the manufacturers will need to introduce batteries bigger than the current crop of circa 10 kwh options in order to get it properly below the new tests.
modeller said:
There’re big changes for company car BIK rates coming in 2020. Long range EVs will then be massively cheaper than dino juicers.
I hadn’t heard about imminent changes in CO2 calculation.
Can you define ‘long range’ and ‘massively cheaper’?I hadn’t heard about imminent changes in CO2 calculation.
Are the prices of EVs going to fall or are you talking about BIK benefits which only relate to a tiny %age of cars in the UK?
the change from 2020 will favour cars with <50g AND more than 30 miles pure EV range.
The 530e is rated at 29 miles, so you'd think with a mod to release some of the 'reserved' batter capacity or a slight increase in battery capacity they could get it ranged at 30 miles. So I'd be surprised to see them stop production....
The 530e is rated at 29 miles, so you'd think with a mod to release some of the 'reserved' batter capacity or a slight increase in battery capacity they could get it ranged at 30 miles. So I'd be surprised to see them stop production....
modeller said:
There’re big changes for company car BIK rates coming in 2020. Long range EVs will then be massively cheaper than dino juicers.
I hadn’t heard about imminent changes in CO2 calculation.
What long range EVs?I hadn’t heard about imminent changes in CO2 calculation.
I'm sure lack of demand has nothing to do with BMW stopping production.
This link gives the new tax bands from 2020
https://fleetworld.co.uk/government-publishes-comp...
You can see how the tax varies with battery only range there
https://fleetworld.co.uk/government-publishes-comp...
You can see how the tax varies with battery only range there
KumiSinghs said:
starmonkey said:
It's frustrating, I'm trying to buy a low emissions car and dealers only have diesels as an option!
Why don't you get a second hand one?Edited by starmonkey on Saturday 27th January 22:48
hantsxlg said:
Any references for this or is it fake news? Current bik rules heavily leant towards sub 50g cars for next two years and 530e has 6 month wait list so stopping production does seem an odd thing to do
http://wltpfacts.eu/from-nedc-to-wltp-change/New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.
If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.
starmonkey said:
http://wltpfacts.eu/from-nedc-to-wltp-change/
New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.
If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.
I currently speccing a 530e and at no point has the dealer mentioned anything about stopping production (even as a sales tactic to speed me up..)New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.
If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.
Oh yes, the 18% is available but it's not worth getting a company car at that point. The extra you'd pay for a hybrid/electric car wouldn't offset the tax back.
It only appears to be worth it with the FYA.
The BMW dealership I was speaking to was Reading if that makes a difference. It could have been an easy sale for them but they actively talked me out of it so not sure why they would do that if it weren't true.
It only appears to be worth it with the FYA.
The BMW dealership I was speaking to was Reading if that makes a difference. It could have been an easy sale for them but they actively talked me out of it so not sure why they would do that if it weren't true.
WestyCarl said:
starmonkey said:
http://wltpfacts.eu/from-nedc-to-wltp-change/
New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.
If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.
I currently speccing a 530e and at no point has the dealer mentioned anything about stopping production (even as a sales tactic to speed me up..)New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.
If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.
starmonkey said:
Oh yes, the 18% is available but it's not worth getting a company car at that point. The extra you'd pay for a hybrid/electric car wouldn't offset the tax back.
It only appears to be worth it with the FYA.
The BMW dealership I was speaking to was Reading if that makes a difference. It could have been an easy sale for them but they actively talked me out of it so not sure why they would do that if it weren't true.
100% FYA is just cash flow.It only appears to be worth it with the FYA.
The BMW dealership I was speaking to was Reading if that makes a difference. It could have been an easy sale for them but they actively talked me out of it so not sure why they would do that if it weren't true.
When BIK goes to 2% I’ll be putting my car into the company.
oop north said:
This link gives the new tax bands from 2020
https://fleetworld.co.uk/government-publishes-comp...
You can see how the tax varies with battery only range there
thanks, didn't know about that.https://fleetworld.co.uk/government-publishes-comp...
You can see how the tax varies with battery only range there
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