Electrification consequences..
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PSA chief Carlos Tavares has made some interesting statements about government instructions to car makers...
“We have moved from a technology-neutral approach to one where governments have begun to forbid the use of internal combustion engines.”
“We are instructed to go electric. It’s no longer my decision, it’s their decision. My job is to transform the business, to retrain people and retrain them."
“That puts the responsibility for consequences – maybe for future energy supply or environmental effects – in the hands of governments. If there’s any problem, the responsibility is in their hands. We’ve moved from a situation where we met as equals to one where they have given the instruction. We’re fine with that – we can make it happen – but the governments must understand they have new responsibilities.”
Good luck with that.
“We have moved from a technology-neutral approach to one where governments have begun to forbid the use of internal combustion engines.”
“We are instructed to go electric. It’s no longer my decision, it’s their decision. My job is to transform the business, to retrain people and retrain them."
“That puts the responsibility for consequences – maybe for future energy supply or environmental effects – in the hands of governments. If there’s any problem, the responsibility is in their hands. We’ve moved from a situation where we met as equals to one where they have given the instruction. We’re fine with that – we can make it happen – but the governments must understand they have new responsibilities.”
Good luck with that.
Kawasicki said:
PSA chief Carlos Tavares has made some interesting statements about government instructions to car makers...
“We have moved from a technology-neutral approach to one where governments have begun to forbid the use of internal combustion engines.”
“We are instructed to go electric. It’s no longer my decision, it’s their decision. My job is to transform the business, to retrain people and retrain them."
“That puts the responsibility for consequences – maybe for future energy supply or environmental effects – in the hands of governments. If there’s any problem, the responsibility is in their hands. We’ve moved from a situation where we met as equals to one where they have given the instruction. We’re fine with that – we can make it happen – but the governments must understand they have new responsibilities.”
Good luck with that.
“We have moved from a technology-neutral approach to one where governments have begun to forbid the use of internal combustion engines.”
“We are instructed to go electric. It’s no longer my decision, it’s their decision. My job is to transform the business, to retrain people and retrain them."
“That puts the responsibility for consequences – maybe for future energy supply or environmental effects – in the hands of governments. If there’s any problem, the responsibility is in their hands. We’ve moved from a situation where we met as equals to one where they have given the instruction. We’re fine with that – we can make it happen – but the governments must understand they have new responsibilities.”
Good luck with that.
Interesting point of view. Seems to be abrogating his responsibility to produce good products to suit whatever society allows.
On the other hand I guess he'll have to do his job well or they'll go out of business because all the manufacturers will be in the same place and someone will get it right.
We all believe it's inevitable, I just wish they'd all get on with it and produce truly capable cars that most people want and can afford.
I'm not so sure the governments have instructed to go electric - just to stop petrol and diesel. With today's state of technology the only mass market option is battery and electric motor but other options are there and might become viable with sufficient development. Hydrogen cars can be made but that still has issues with generation and storage, plus compressed air proof of concepts have been done.
Government has a big role to play, especially in electricity generation, but I don't think car makers can just sidestep all responsibility.
Government has a big role to play, especially in electricity generation, but I don't think car makers can just sidestep all responsibility.
REALIST123 said:
Kawasicki said:
PSA chief Carlos Tavares has made some interesting statements about government instructions to car makers...
“We have moved from a technology-neutral approach to one where governments have begun to forbid the use of internal combustion engines.”
“We are instructed to go electric. It’s no longer my decision, it’s their decision. My job is to transform the business, to retrain people and retrain them."
“That puts the responsibility for consequences – maybe for future energy supply or environmental effects – in the hands of governments. If there’s any problem, the responsibility is in their hands. We’ve moved from a situation where we met as equals to one where they have given the instruction. We’re fine with that – we can make it happen – but the governments must understand they have new responsibilities.”
Good luck with that.
“We have moved from a technology-neutral approach to one where governments have begun to forbid the use of internal combustion engines.”
“We are instructed to go electric. It’s no longer my decision, it’s their decision. My job is to transform the business, to retrain people and retrain them."
“That puts the responsibility for consequences – maybe for future energy supply or environmental effects – in the hands of governments. If there’s any problem, the responsibility is in their hands. We’ve moved from a situation where we met as equals to one where they have given the instruction. We’re fine with that – we can make it happen – but the governments must understand they have new responsibilities.”
Good luck with that.
Interesting point of view. Seems to be abrogating his responsibility to produce good products to suit whatever society allows.
On the other hand I guess he'll have to do his job well or they'll go out of business because all the manufacturers will be in the same place and someone will get it right.
We all believe it's inevitable, I just wish they'd all get on with it and produce truly capable cars that most people want and can afford.
colin79666 said:
I'm not so sure the governments have instructed to go electric - just to stop petrol and diesel. With today's state of technology the only mass market option is battery and electric motor but other options are there and might become viable with sufficient development. Hydrogen cars can be made but that still has issues with generation and storage, plus compressed air proof of concepts have been done.
Government has a big role to play, especially in electricity generation, but I don't think car makers can just sidestep all responsibility.
Do you think the government will use tax payers money to build a compressed air or hydrogen network, alongside a new electric charging network?Government has a big role to play, especially in electricity generation, but I don't think car makers can just sidestep all responsibility.
Cars will be forced by governments to have zero exhaust emissions. Have the governments thought this through?
Kawasicki said:
Do you think the government will use tax payers money to build a compressed air or hydrogen network, alongside a new electric charging network?
We already have one. It might need some government incentives to kick start but current fuel stations will need to branch out into serving up more than petrol and diesel if they are to survive. If battery charging technology can be sped up then they could be inline to supply 5 minute fast charges as well. colin79666 said:
Kawasicki said:
Do you think the government will use tax payers money to build a compressed air or hydrogen network, alongside a new electric charging network?
We already have one. It might need some government incentives to kick start but current fuel stations will need to branch out into serving up more than petrol and diesel if they are to survive. If battery charging technology can be sped up then they could be inline to supply 5 minute fast charges as well. I suspect Governments will move to a payg road pricing network instead of the current taxation, any car companies without current EVs or a good roadmap are already dead and there will be certain "groups" around the world when they wake up and realise their bubble has been burst, push Hydrogen as they think they will retain "control".
herewego said:
I suppose you're saying they should be given mandatory objectives e.g. 150mpg or equivalent minimum with zero NOx for every car and left to decide how to achieve it.
That is the point of the PSA boss, and I understand his point. Politicians are deciding the technical solution, rather than setting a target. If the solution has some nasty downsides then the politicians have to accept responsibility for those decisions.Kawasicki said:
herewego said:
I suppose you're saying they should be given mandatory objectives e.g. 150mpg or equivalent minimum with zero NOx for every car and left to decide how to achieve it.
That is the point of the PSA boss, and I understand his point. Politicians are deciding the technical solution, rather than setting a target. If the solution has some nasty downsides then the politicians have to accept responsibility for those decisions.Kawasicki said:
That is the point of the PSA boss, and I understand his point. Politicians are deciding the technical solution, rather than setting a target. If the solution has some nasty downsides then the politicians have to accept responsibility for those decisions.
Exactly. This is a similar situation to the 80s/90s pollution situation. Many engineers thought that 'lean burn' was the best solution rather than catalytic converters but the latter was forced upon us with its increased cost and poorer performance. A 'solution' was mandated rather than a performance target.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff