Tesla Model X - lots of questions
Discussion
Currently mulling over the switch to full EV, merging our RRS and Golf into the one vehicle. It would be used for daily 5mile nursery duties (Current Golf Duties), with occasional family 150mile (one way) trips on motorways (M25, then north on the M40, or West on the M4) and weekend family (kids and dog) work (current RRS duties), so I guess need to have at least 200miles real-world range.
- When I look at a New custom order 75D it states 259 miles, but on Inventory cars they show 237 - has there been a new/upgraded 75D powertrain released?
- Real-world range of a 75D?
- I see the 60D was dropped, but apparently they can be updated to 75D range by ATA software updates - if so how much is it in the UK? If not what's the real-world of a 60D?
- 90D only appears to have a 257 range, is this right, and was that the reason it was dropped?
- Are there any benefits to a discontinued 90D over a new 75D?
- I only need a 5seat configuration, but does the back seats bench fold down?
- Is there Isofix on any/all seats?
- Any significant 2017 updates that weren't/aren't available on 2016 cars?
Lots of questions I'm sorry, but the tesla website (and forum) seems pretty useless on info such as this, and the sales people in branch don't seem very clued up either unless you are ordering new, so dropping £80k on a car I need to know the nitty gritty.
Thanks in advance.
- When I look at a New custom order 75D it states 259 miles, but on Inventory cars they show 237 - has there been a new/upgraded 75D powertrain released?
- Real-world range of a 75D?
- I see the 60D was dropped, but apparently they can be updated to 75D range by ATA software updates - if so how much is it in the UK? If not what's the real-world of a 60D?
- 90D only appears to have a 257 range, is this right, and was that the reason it was dropped?
- Are there any benefits to a discontinued 90D over a new 75D?
- I only need a 5seat configuration, but does the back seats bench fold down?
- Is there Isofix on any/all seats?
- Any significant 2017 updates that weren't/aren't available on 2016 cars?
Lots of questions I'm sorry, but the tesla website (and forum) seems pretty useless on info such as this, and the sales people in branch don't seem very clued up either unless you are ordering new, so dropping £80k on a car I need to know the nitty gritty.
Thanks in advance.
johnnyreggae said:
Another point is that in an urban context the X is much wider than a Golf (about a foot) and won't fit through 6 ft 6 restrictors - this may also have implications for space to open the rear doors when parked
Thanks - if there's one major concern its the rear doors opening mechanism. With a 4yr old and a 1yr old the rear doors are always being opened in car-parks, station car-parks, main road parking spots etc. Anybody with kids find the doors a hinderence?I see if I can help, owned a 60DX for 3 months or so before it was written off in a non fault accident. Current in a 90D X loaner, done 2K in it, waiting for new 75D X to be delivered.
Range:
Ignore the advertised range ratings àt best they are a guide at worst they'll make you very disappointed.
The range of EVs depend on efficiency (miles travelled per kWh) and available kWh in the battery.
Efficiency clear depends on things like speed/temperature. The official US range rating is based on driving at 65 mph on the flat, normal temps, with no climate control. Clearly if you drive at 90mph in the middle of winter your efficiency will lower.
For battery capacity Tesla model designation is not what it seem, the 90D has not much more real life range than the 75D.
60D has 63kWh usable - upgradeable
75D has 75kWh usable
90D has 81kWh usable
http://electrek.co/2016/12/14/tesla-battery-capaci...
In real world use I would say an efficiency of 2.5-3 miles per is realistic from the X. Which translates to 155 miles to 240 miles depending on which version you go for and how you drive.
Just bear in mind absolute range really only matter on long trips, day to day if you have access to home charging you can drive as inefficiently as you like and charge up every night. I've done 157 miles from Leicester to Cardiff in early March when temp were single digit, and rain, with range to spare in our old 60D. That was driving at 65-70mph.
If you need to do 150 miles trips regularly the 75D is fine.
Seats/options etc:
The 5 seater car has two ISOFIX points. The rear bench is massive, and the rear bench folds flat. Huge amount of interior space and storage space.
The rear FWD make life with kids so easy. We have a 16 months old and I find it hard to think of another car that would as easy to use from the child care point of view. Even in tight parking spaces the rear doors open fully allowing each access to the rear. We personally have had no issues with doors, far from it, they are real bonus compared to conventional doors.
Biggest option change is the newly introduced power upgrade to the 75D, 0-60 has fallen from 6 second to 4.9 seconds.
Sizewise I haven't had any issues, it's no bigger than a Range rover and you see them everywhere if you already drive a RR your have no issues. I live in a village surround by B/unclassified roads, I commute down roads like this every day. Also vist multstory car parks regularly, never any issues.
New or Old.
Prices of used Xs have remained pretty solid, not surprising as they have only been doing UK deliveres for 8 months or so. Best value car is probably a used 60D but I doubt your find one for sale at present. New car have had a price drop but you need a referral code for 'free supercharging' and £750 off on a new order. Mine is below:
http://ts.la/gang8751 gang8751
Overall:
I've had some half decent cars in the past, DC2 Teg, 350Z, 335i, the X is by far car I've owned, and for us right now with a young family I cannot think of any other car I rather have on the drive way regardless of price.
On holiday at present in the peak district, it's a nice feeling having a cold whilst your car is refueld for free
.
Feel free to ask any more questions.
Range:
Ignore the advertised range ratings àt best they are a guide at worst they'll make you very disappointed.
The range of EVs depend on efficiency (miles travelled per kWh) and available kWh in the battery.
Efficiency clear depends on things like speed/temperature. The official US range rating is based on driving at 65 mph on the flat, normal temps, with no climate control. Clearly if you drive at 90mph in the middle of winter your efficiency will lower.
For battery capacity Tesla model designation is not what it seem, the 90D has not much more real life range than the 75D.
60D has 63kWh usable - upgradeable
75D has 75kWh usable
90D has 81kWh usable
http://electrek.co/2016/12/14/tesla-battery-capaci...
In real world use I would say an efficiency of 2.5-3 miles per is realistic from the X. Which translates to 155 miles to 240 miles depending on which version you go for and how you drive.
Just bear in mind absolute range really only matter on long trips, day to day if you have access to home charging you can drive as inefficiently as you like and charge up every night. I've done 157 miles from Leicester to Cardiff in early March when temp were single digit, and rain, with range to spare in our old 60D. That was driving at 65-70mph.
If you need to do 150 miles trips regularly the 75D is fine.
Seats/options etc:
The 5 seater car has two ISOFIX points. The rear bench is massive, and the rear bench folds flat. Huge amount of interior space and storage space.
The rear FWD make life with kids so easy. We have a 16 months old and I find it hard to think of another car that would as easy to use from the child care point of view. Even in tight parking spaces the rear doors open fully allowing each access to the rear. We personally have had no issues with doors, far from it, they are real bonus compared to conventional doors.
Biggest option change is the newly introduced power upgrade to the 75D, 0-60 has fallen from 6 second to 4.9 seconds.
Sizewise I haven't had any issues, it's no bigger than a Range rover and you see them everywhere if you already drive a RR your have no issues. I live in a village surround by B/unclassified roads, I commute down roads like this every day. Also vist multstory car parks regularly, never any issues.
New or Old.
Prices of used Xs have remained pretty solid, not surprising as they have only been doing UK deliveres for 8 months or so. Best value car is probably a used 60D but I doubt your find one for sale at present. New car have had a price drop but you need a referral code for 'free supercharging' and £750 off on a new order. Mine is below:
http://ts.la/gang8751 gang8751
Overall:
I've had some half decent cars in the past, DC2 Teg, 350Z, 335i, the X is by far car I've owned, and for us right now with a young family I cannot think of any other car I rather have on the drive way regardless of price.
On holiday at present in the peak district, it's a nice feeling having a cold whilst your car is refueld for free
.Feel free to ask any more questions
.Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 13th August 15:13
Thanks for that, super-helpful! That puts my mind to rest re the doors and gives me food for thought on the ranges.
I've found one used 2017 60D for sale in a spec I'd pick (not first choice colour though), but I'm a bit unsure what the upgrade cost is to get it to a required 75D upgrade. In the US it suggests it was $10k but recently reduced to $2k, is that the same in the UK do you know?
Thanks for the code, is that lifetime supercharging? Is it only applicable to factory orders, or is it usable on 'inventory' cars?
Thanks again.
I've found one used 2017 60D for sale in a spec I'd pick (not first choice colour though), but I'm a bit unsure what the upgrade cost is to get it to a required 75D upgrade. In the US it suggests it was $10k but recently reduced to $2k, is that the same in the UK do you know?
Thanks for the code, is that lifetime supercharging? Is it only applicable to factory orders, or is it usable on 'inventory' cars?
Thanks again.
UK price for 60->75 upgrade is £4.5k including vat.
Referal code work for new orders and inventory orders (but not pre owned).
Our old 60D had more than enough range for our use and I really miss it, though the 75D clearly will have more.
Superchargers are also spring up all over the place, by the end of the year your struggle to drive more than 100 miles on any UK major Motorway without running across one. I don't know about your kids but 150 miles of driving is realistically nearly 3hrs non stop in traffic, the thought of doing any longer in the car with my 16 months old gives me sleepless nights!!!
One thing I would say to think about, and that's the 6 seater option. Unless you really really need the massive space of the 5 seater in the boot the extra seat give you that bit more ultitltiy when in comes to family trips.
Referal code work for new orders and inventory orders (but not pre owned).
Our old 60D had more than enough range for our use and I really miss it, though the 75D clearly will have more
.Superchargers are also spring up all over the place, by the end of the year your struggle to drive more than 100 miles on any UK major Motorway without running across one. I don't know about your kids but 150 miles of driving is realistically nearly 3hrs non stop in traffic, the thought of doing any longer in the car with my 16 months old gives me sleepless nights!!!
One thing I would say to think about, and that's the 6 seater option. Unless you really really need the massive space of the 5 seater in the boot the extra seat give you that bit more ultitltiy when in comes to family trips.
Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 13th August 20:43
Brilliant - thanks for confirming the price. The cheapest 60D I've seen is £70k, and that's with 22's, premium, and paint. So add £4.5k to that, and given I would spec the same on a 75D, it'll be cheaper to buy new and direct.
We always try to travel at night when visiting our respective families (we live in South London, my family are in Bristol, hers are in Shrewsbury) so I can happily do the 150miles straight through with them asleep. Like you, the throught of 3hrs in a car with my 4yr old 'chatting' constantly and my 1yr old getting naggy, fills me with dread!
We have a lurcher, so I need the space in the boot. 5 seater it is unless adding 2 more seats makes it more desirable? I ticked the 5+2 option on my RRS for that reason alone.
We always try to travel at night when visiting our respective families (we live in South London, my family are in Bristol, hers are in Shrewsbury) so I can happily do the 150miles straight through with them asleep. Like you, the throught of 3hrs in a car with my 4yr old 'chatting' constantly and my 1yr old getting naggy, fills me with dread!
We have a lurcher, so I need the space in the boot. 5 seater it is unless adding 2 more seats makes it more desirable? I ticked the 5+2 option on my RRS for that reason alone.
They're currently installing super chargers on the M54 near Telford, Shrewsbury should be a doddle for you.
Depreciation has become a real concern on the MS, used ones are not shifting easily unless the price is right. Ive not bothered tracking the MX as volumes are still relatively low on the used market, but Tesla have been updating all the specs recently, especially the premium upgrade which now includes the old subzero and hifi upgrade.
As gang says, published range is fanciful, but no more so than the mpg claims on petrol and diesel. What you do need to be aware of is that consumption increases markedly in the cold and at higher speed. An 85mph run up the m40 in a MX in winter will be take a lot, but plenty of options to splash and dash (Oxford, south Birmingham etc).
Finally, be aware that they're not as high tech as you might imagine, the Sat nav routing is often dreadful, AutoPilot if you chose it can be hit and miss, it won't have automatic wipers (they may come but it's nearly a year and no sign of them), a number of features you might expect just aren't there ( no surround view for parking, no tiredness warning, limited control over Bluetooth streaming, air suspension is height only, no damping options for different ride quality, etc). That's not to say it's bad, just don't make assumptions. Build quality and finish is also off for a car this price. There's been a recent car wow video which might help.
Looks are definitely marmite. You seem to like it, but colour combo and wheel size are important for appearance.
Depreciation has become a real concern on the MS, used ones are not shifting easily unless the price is right. Ive not bothered tracking the MX as volumes are still relatively low on the used market, but Tesla have been updating all the specs recently, especially the premium upgrade which now includes the old subzero and hifi upgrade.
As gang says, published range is fanciful, but no more so than the mpg claims on petrol and diesel. What you do need to be aware of is that consumption increases markedly in the cold and at higher speed. An 85mph run up the m40 in a MX in winter will be take a lot, but plenty of options to splash and dash (Oxford, south Birmingham etc).
Finally, be aware that they're not as high tech as you might imagine, the Sat nav routing is often dreadful, AutoPilot if you chose it can be hit and miss, it won't have automatic wipers (they may come but it's nearly a year and no sign of them), a number of features you might expect just aren't there ( no surround view for parking, no tiredness warning, limited control over Bluetooth streaming, air suspension is height only, no damping options for different ride quality, etc). That's not to say it's bad, just don't make assumptions. Build quality and finish is also off for a car this price. There's been a recent car wow video which might help.
Looks are definitely marmite. You seem to like it, but colour combo and wheel size are important for appearance.
kmpowell said:
Brilliant - thanks for confirming the price. The cheapest 60D I've seen is £70k, and that's with 22's, premium, and paint. So add £4.5k to that, and given I would spec the same on a 75D, it'll be cheaper to buy new and direct.
We always try to travel at night when visiting our respective families (we live in South London, my family are in Bristol, hers are in Shrewsbury) so I can happily do the 150miles straight through with them asleep. Like you, the throught of 3hrs in a car with my 4yr old 'chatting' constantly and my 1yr old getting naggy, fills me with dread!
We have a lurcher, so I need the space in the boot. 5 seater it is unless adding 2 more seats makes it more desirable? I ticked the 5+2 option on my RRS for that reason alone.
That particular 60D had been on sale since April!! The original price of the 60D is only £64k, the 22inch wheels look good but actually reduce range by about 15%. So unless you really really want 22inch wheels it's a option that not only costs alot of £ but reduces your range quite a bit!!We always try to travel at night when visiting our respective families (we live in South London, my family are in Bristol, hers are in Shrewsbury) so I can happily do the 150miles straight through with them asleep. Like you, the throught of 3hrs in a car with my 4yr old 'chatting' constantly and my 1yr old getting naggy, fills me with dread!
We have a lurcher, so I need the space in the boot. 5 seater it is unless adding 2 more seats makes it more desirable? I ticked the 5+2 option on my RRS for that reason alone.
If you really really want max range the 100D is the best option, it's got 98kWh usable some ALOT more range than the 75 or 90, but costs quite a bit more. If your only regualr long trip is 150mile the current 75 is more than enough, and it's hardly ant slower to 60.
I believe 1.5% APR is still available when buying new, which is the better option compared to that particular 60D.
I would tick the 7 seater option though. It's not that much extra money, gives you more ultitltiy and will help resale. The new/current 7 seater option also allows the 2nd row to fold flat, something the oringal 7 seater coudlnt!!
Good luck car hunting, it's not perfect but I just cannot help smile every time I get into our X
If you of buy new don't forget the referral code!
Edited by gangzoom on Monday 14th August 07:30
Thanks both - some valid points and great food for thought. Much thanks! 
I've just spent an hour on the phone with a supposed 'Specialist' at Tesla Gatwick. Her thoughts...
- The Spec change a couple of weeks ago has confused new/inventory re premium pack v individual options.
- Inventory/Used cars reflect a more realistic 'range' number versus what's on the configurator, but not realistic enough
- 75D in the real world is probably 200-220, and if i'm on the M40 at night in winter, fully loaded with kids, dog, buggy, baggage, sub 200 is more realistic.
- 22's drop efficiency, but not by much, probably 5-10%, but residually they add £3k to a GFK and make the car much more appealing.
- 1.5% available on New and inventory. 4.9 on used, unless it's under a certain mileage then they can do 1.5%.
- She tried to sell me a new 'inventory' 90D ( https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/new/5YJXDCE26HF040918) as she claimed it would give me circa 30-40 miles range on top of a 75D, was brand new (ignore what it says on the website), and it had a £11k saving from list.
- Rule of thumb is GFV's on a discounted 90D is now the same as a similarly priced 75D.
- If I see a car that has software upgrades that I don't want, they will remove the options and reduce th eprice accordingly.
My thoughts
- She went hard sell on a 90D, so I'm not convinced her "sub 200" comment is valid on the 75D, but it has got me doubting the suitability of the 75D.
- There's lots of 90D's stock, and 90D's 'in transit' (on the boat) they need to shift.
- If discounts on the 90D were higher, I'd probably consider. If I was closer to ordering I think there might have been a bit more scope for negotiation, so I won't totally discount that option yet.
- I think i'll certainly go for the 22's, whatever the outcome.
So in summary, i'm a bit further forward, but I think the range thing is stopping me. 100D is the answer, but that's not financially viable with what I'm trying to achieve (condense two cars and running costs into one.)
I've just spent an hour on the phone with a supposed 'Specialist' at Tesla Gatwick. Her thoughts...
- The Spec change a couple of weeks ago has confused new/inventory re premium pack v individual options.
- Inventory/Used cars reflect a more realistic 'range' number versus what's on the configurator, but not realistic enough
- 75D in the real world is probably 200-220, and if i'm on the M40 at night in winter, fully loaded with kids, dog, buggy, baggage, sub 200 is more realistic.
- 22's drop efficiency, but not by much, probably 5-10%, but residually they add £3k to a GFK and make the car much more appealing.
- 1.5% available on New and inventory. 4.9 on used, unless it's under a certain mileage then they can do 1.5%.
- She tried to sell me a new 'inventory' 90D ( https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/new/5YJXDCE26HF040918) as she claimed it would give me circa 30-40 miles range on top of a 75D, was brand new (ignore what it says on the website), and it had a £11k saving from list.
- Rule of thumb is GFV's on a discounted 90D is now the same as a similarly priced 75D.
- If I see a car that has software upgrades that I don't want, they will remove the options and reduce th eprice accordingly.
My thoughts
- She went hard sell on a 90D, so I'm not convinced her "sub 200" comment is valid on the 75D, but it has got me doubting the suitability of the 75D.
- There's lots of 90D's stock, and 90D's 'in transit' (on the boat) they need to shift.
- If discounts on the 90D were higher, I'd probably consider. If I was closer to ordering I think there might have been a bit more scope for negotiation, so I won't totally discount that option yet.
- I think i'll certainly go for the 22's, whatever the outcome.
So in summary, i'm a bit further forward, but I think the range thing is stopping me. 100D is the answer, but that's not financially viable with what I'm trying to achieve (condense two cars and running costs into one.)
90D has barely any more usable range than 75D, 80kWh usable versus 73kWh, so 21 mile of range if assuming 3 miles per kWh.
If you really want 22inch wheels I would look at the 100D, real life user feedback is at least 10% range drop. So on a 75D with 22inches you might struggle to do 200 miles, even on the 90D.
Though as I've mentioned already even my old 60D X did 157 mile in the night, fully loaded with family, rain/single digit temps with no issues.
Tesla are on a mission to shift the 90Ds and if you get a good discount go for it, but you will not be getting 30-40 miles more range than a 75D, 20max.
If you really want 22inch wheels I would look at the 100D, real life user feedback is at least 10% range drop. So on a 75D with 22inches you might struggle to do 200 miles, even on the 90D.
Though as I've mentioned already even my old 60D X did 157 mile in the night, fully loaded with family, rain/single digit temps with no issues.
Tesla are on a mission to shift the 90Ds and if you get a good discount go for it, but you will not be getting 30-40 miles more range than a 75D, 20max.
I did 30k in a 90D Model S in a year and the most I got in one charge was 220 miles from 98% down to 5% in one long run down the M6. Leeds and back from my house is about 230 miles and I never get close to doing it. The thing about range is it's not easy to charge to 100% unless you're at home, the last few % can only be put in slowly, a super charger will slow down a lot as the state of charge increases. Then do you really want to arrive on zero? What if you come across a hold up near your destination? Practically speaking (as opposed to theoretically), you have about 85% of the battery available. An MX has worse range than an MX. All up, I'd not bank on more than 180 in a 75D MX.
If you look at the MS pages on tesla web site, you can play with speed, temp etc and it tells you the range, knock off 10% for the MX. Shrewsbury still won't be a problem though if you're happy to take a 10 min comfort break, you'll probably add 50 miles range,
The 90 is a discontinued model. The spec is very similar to the new 75D and some new orders are thought to come with the 90 battery, limited to 75. That is actually an advantage with respect to charging.
I'd not normally advise on a new one, but if you want a few toys, the folding seats in an MX etc, I prob would in this case for a 75D
If you look at the MS pages on tesla web site, you can play with speed, temp etc and it tells you the range, knock off 10% for the MX. Shrewsbury still won't be a problem though if you're happy to take a 10 min comfort break, you'll probably add 50 miles range,
The 90 is a discontinued model. The spec is very similar to the new 75D and some new orders are thought to come with the 90 battery, limited to 75. That is actually an advantage with respect to charging.
I'd not normally advise on a new one, but if you want a few toys, the folding seats in an MX etc, I prob would in this case for a 75D
Heres Johnny said:
some new orders are thought to come with the 90 battery, limited to 75. That is actually an advantage with respect to charging.
Some 75kWh cars have been delivered with a 85kWh Rev A battery that has a build date from 2017. No one is sure what's going on here as the build date of these cars even pre dated the recent 0-60 performance upgrade to the 75kWh cars.Speculation ranges from Tesla having to use up old 85kWh packs (Rev A was the first battery used in cars all the way back in 2012) to these are new packs built using the latest 100D pack architecture. The only sure thing is no North American owner has had a 75kWh car delivered with these packs. I have a 75kWh X on order to replace my old car, the battery build order code is 75kWh not 85kWh. So I would not presume anything about battery sizes at the moment apart from your get what you pay for....90D aside where you actually get a 80D.
I do agree a new 75kWh order is the way to go, although the OP might want to think about a 100D if they are getting worried about range. Personally I would think a 75kWh has more than enough range, but I lived with a 24kwh Nissan Leaf for 2 year before getting a Tesla, so am very much more aware of how to extract maximum range from an EV if needed too!!
If the OP can afford it the 100D is the car to go for to remove worry about range. Personally I coudlnt justify the extra £20k for range I woudlnt use. £20k will pay for alot of options on the Model 3 we have pre ordered for my wife
. Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 15th August 11:40
HI All,
Im in the same boat as the OP
Test drove the model x on Saturday at gatwick and loved it.....
I can't justify the money for the 100 so looks like i will be going for a new 75d. I do 100miles a day round trip commute so i guess either model i would always charge over night to be safe.....
Any one had experience of such high mileage in these cars??
Thanks!
Im in the same boat as the OP
Test drove the model x on Saturday at gatwick and loved it.....
I can't justify the money for the 100 so looks like i will be going for a new 75d. I do 100miles a day round trip commute so i guess either model i would always charge over night to be safe.....
Any one had experience of such high mileage in these cars??
Thanks!
Nicmenicnic said:
HI All,
Im in the same boat as the OP
Test drove the model x on Saturday at gatwick and loved it.....
I can't justify the money for the 100 so looks like i will be going for a new 75d. I do 100miles a day round trip commute so i guess either model i would always charge over night to be safe.....
Any one had experience of such high mileage in these cars??
Thanks!
In an MS 90D I used to do a 145 mile round trip commute - I used to destination charge at work and I passed a super charger on route if I failed to charge at work due to availability (I didn't charge every night at home). It can easily take the miles. Only thing I'd suggest is a look on zapmap or plugshare, look at Chademo/Rapid locations and where you travel if only infrequently. The mid west of Wales for instance is a wasteland and pretty much out of range unless you can leave the car for several hours on a destination charger and you can find one.Im in the same boat as the OP
Test drove the model x on Saturday at gatwick and loved it.....
I can't justify the money for the 100 so looks like i will be going for a new 75d. I do 100miles a day round trip commute so i guess either model i would always charge over night to be safe.....
Any one had experience of such high mileage in these cars??
Thanks!
Most UK owners don't do massive miles compared to some in the US.
There is a 8 year unlimited miles warranty on the battery and motor. But the rest of the car is only covered for 4 years or 50K miles.
There is an extended warranty but it's quite pricey over £1k a year and it stipulates you have to service the car, which you don't have to for the original warranty.
But overall these cars seem to be able to handle big miles fine.
http://gas2.org/2016/10/01/tesla-model-s-200000-mi...
The X however does have alot more gadgets than the S. No reports so far of the rear doors fialling or huge repair bills, but even the oldest US cars are less than 2 years old and all still in warranty.
There is a 8 year unlimited miles warranty on the battery and motor. But the rest of the car is only covered for 4 years or 50K miles.
There is an extended warranty but it's quite pricey over £1k a year and it stipulates you have to service the car, which you don't have to for the original warranty.
But overall these cars seem to be able to handle big miles fine.
http://gas2.org/2016/10/01/tesla-model-s-200000-mi...
The X however does have alot more gadgets than the S. No reports so far of the rear doors fialling or huge repair bills, but even the oldest US cars are less than 2 years old and all still in warranty.
Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 16th August 06:19
I've just - very reluctantly - returned a loan P100D after a 24-hour test drive. We're also considering dropping to one car for all purposes, keeping the bikes for dinosaur-burning fun. I was 'forced' to borrow the P100D as they didn't have a demonstrator 75D, which is what we're interested in. However, you can set these cars to emulate any model with a lower spec, so I was trundling around with it (mostly) set to P90D mode, which apparently is the same performance spec as the current (July build onward, I think) 75D. In all, I drove about 180 miles in town, motorway and over our local highland roads. Cruising at what may have been around 80-85mph and making full use of the quite staggering overtaking performance, it was still showing 45 miles remaining range when I returned it. For most of the time, I was averaging around 445Wh/mile, peaking (ahem) at around 900Wh/mile in full monty mode and dropping into the 300Wh/mile range pottering around town. That of course was with the 100KWh power pack so, at that 440Wh/mile average, a 75D would give an easy 170 miles between charges. Had I driven it with even a tad more restraint, I think 200 miles would be in easy reach.
Given the recent upgrades to the power train and the fact that they've rolled the (essential, IMHO) smart air suspension into the standard spec, I'm not really seeing the point of buying used - Tesla seem to have mastered the art of making new vehicles seem like better value, a very tech industry trick.
Given the recent upgrades to the power train and the fact that they've rolled the (essential, IMHO) smart air suspension into the standard spec, I'm not really seeing the point of buying used - Tesla seem to have mastered the art of making new vehicles seem like better value, a very tech industry trick.
Edited by Technomad on Friday 18th August 23:26
Technomad said:
Tesla seem to have mastered the art of making new vehicles seem like better value, a very tech industry trick.
New cars are better value because Tesla have been actively improving the spec nearly every 6 months, rather than wait for the traditional 6-7 year refresh cycle.Back in 2014 (only 3 years ago) when the S was first launched the top spec most expensive P85+ didn't have autopilot, not as good seats, a 85kWh battery with 77kWh usable energy, and no AWD option, the price at the time around £80k.
Now for £60k the base spec 75S has essentially the same 0-60 time, a 75kWh battery with 72kWh usable - so essentially virtually the same real life range, comes with Autopilot 2.0 hardware as standard, and numerous other improvements such as new design seats/LED headlights, powered charge port flap etc.
I cannot think if another manufacture who have improved the spec of their cheapest car to match their most expensive model in the space of 3 years and without increasing the price!!!
But buying used does same you some decent cash now. The original pre facelift 85S are finally dropping below £40k. Given these used cars still come with the same 4 year 50K warranty as the new cars it's a handily saving. Let's not forget the older cars aren't exactly slow and offer 95% of the experience delivered by the new cars.
Technomad said:
I've just - very reluctantly - returned a loan P100D after a 24-hour test drive. We're also considering dropping to one car for all purposes, keeping the bikes for dinosaur-burning fun. I was 'forced' to borrow the P100D as they didn't have a demonstrator 75D, which is what we're interested in. However, you can set these cars to emulate any model with a lower spec, so I was trundling around with it (mostly) set to P90D mode, which apparently is the same performance spec as the current (July build onward, I think) 75D. In all, I drove about 180 miles in town, motorway and over our local highland roads. Cruising at what may have been around 80-85mph and making full use of the quite staggering overtaking performance, it was still showing 45 miles remaining range when I returned it. For most of the time, I was averaging around 445Wh/mile, peaking (ahem) at around 900Wh/mile in full monty mode and dropping into the 300Wh/mile range pottering around town. That of course was with the 100KWh power pack so, at that 440Wh/mile average, a 75D would give an easy 170 miles between charges. Had I driven it with even a tad more restraint, I think 200 miles would be in easy reach.
Given the recent upgrades to the power train and the fact that they've rolled the (essential, IMHO) smart air suspension into the standard spec, I'm not really seeing the point of buying used - Tesla seem to have mastered the art of making new vehicles seem like better value, a very tech industry trick.
The P90D is much quicker than the revised 75D, you should have opted for the 85D or 90D which are similar. Given the recent upgrades to the power train and the fact that they've rolled the (essential, IMHO) smart air suspension into the standard spec, I'm not really seeing the point of buying used - Tesla seem to have mastered the art of making new vehicles seem like better value, a very tech industry trick.
Edited by Technomad on Friday 18th August 23:26
A new 75D is similar performance wise to the 85D, and they can be had for about 55k as a model S) and include options which would bump up a new 75D to over 70k (AutoPilot, premium upgrades etc). It's personal choice on whether you want to save £15k, get free unlimited super charging and a bit more range but buy a 2 year old car. I take your point, and I think Tesla do as big money is coming off the used cars at the moment. This threads MX so may not apply.
I'm thinking of changing into a used MS P90DL and they're 70-80k, the new equivalent is £140k, that's a saving worth having.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Saturday 19th August 07:13
I've come to conclusion that a 100D is what I require.
Due to the high cost of these things it'll be a long term ownership car, so it needs to be 100% for us right from the off. Without compromise. The 50-80 extra miles you get from a 100D will make a huge difference in the real world for our needs.
So with 100D's now appearing in new inventory, I think come the end of the year there might be some keenly priced examples.
Thanks all for the great advice, this place is invaluable.
Due to the high cost of these things it'll be a long term ownership car, so it needs to be 100% for us right from the off. Without compromise. The 50-80 extra miles you get from a 100D will make a huge difference in the real world for our needs.
So with 100D's now appearing in new inventory, I think come the end of the year there might be some keenly priced examples.
Thanks all for the great advice, this place is invaluable.
Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff